ATP Under MMAR

mcknot

mcknot

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How does the Manson ruling impact patients who only held an ATP from the MMAR? It seems the expiry date is now nullified/hung in the air until the next court case and subsequent ruling. Do you see any way that an MMAR ATP patient will be able to grow their own after the next court case?
 
Well that's kind of the point. The whole idea is to have a constructional exemption for patients to be allowed to grow for themselves, and use it in whatever form best suits them. I will take another look at the decision and see if I can find something for you. But I think if you only had an ATP, that might be all,you get for now. They tried to screw me with the sept 30 deadline, but I had everything in and ready to go by the end of August. When the dg didn't pan out, I revoked my licence again and went for the pupl.
 
You might want to ask a lawyer..... In my opion though if you are a new patient and can not afford LP prices.... Well than your rights are being violated too under section 7 of the charter making your medicine unaccessable and no court in there right mind would convict you if caught growing... Again my own opinion but new patient or not you still have the same rights to the charter as anyone else!!!!!
 
The court injunction has brought up a whole new set of questions. I too only have my ATP under the MMAR. When I signed up my only option was to check the box "Health Canada supply". That being said I've never once placed an order for their irradiated poison and have always got my meds off "friends of friends" or the compassion club. It's my understanding that anybody with an ATP that was valid as of the court order is still exempt in terms of possession (mine expires March 31st, but is valid until December). The injunction will last until the trial is concluded so I doubt there will be any renewals or anything like that. How you access your medicine and if those avenues are considered "legal" is another question.
 
The ruling Addresses ATP, pupl, and DPPL. If you were in possession as of sept. 30 2013, your exempt. I would have to agree ith growerrock. You have the same rights as anyone else under the charter. Keep it under the radar and you'll probably be alright.
 
You can also try to Email the coalition... Jason Wilcox will probably be able to help... Or email John the man conroy himself... I seen an email address on his web page..... Best of luck and grow strong
 
Has anybody got more information in terms of this? There seems to be confusion over the order and the September 30, 2013 date. The way I read the court order was anybody with a valid ATP as of the date of the order was exempt (date of the order is March 21st, 2014 no?), but now other people are saying it only applies if you were already exempt by September 30, 2013. In my case I never received my ATP until December of 2013, I absolutely in no way want to be forced into the MMPR to still be considered "legal". So question is am I still exempt with my ATP under the MMAR come March 31st, or am I now forced to sign up with the MMPR to be "legal"?
 
If you can not afford LP prices/ the strains you need are unavalable/ or you juice leaf matter/ etc. then your rights as a canadian under the charter section 7 are being violated and no court in Canada would convict according to my lawyers.... Steven hitler would have to rewrite the charter and if that happens everyone is in trouble. But yes you are illegal under a unjust system that won't hold up in court... So grow all they can do is take your plants.. Then you talk to your lawyer about your rights being violated under section 7 of the charter.... I hope this helps.... Grow strong
 
If your issue date is before sept 30 2013 you are legal and any after sept 30 2013 issue date you are illegal.... Makes no sense again..... Your charter of rights and freedoms section 7 are violated if you fit into the above catagory and that could be any patient in Canada... Thanks again grow strong
 
GrowRock said:
If your issue date is before sept 30 2013 you are legal and any after sept 30 2013 issue date you are illegal.... Makes no sense again..... Your charter of rights and freedoms section 7 are violated if you fit into the above catagory and that could be any patient in Canada... Thanks again grow strong
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I'm not worried about growing right now, I have neither the time nor space currently. The only thing I am worried about is being exempt in terms of possession. My numerous readings of the order have lead me to believe anybody with a valid ATP as of the date of the order (March 21st, 2014) is exempt in terms of possession. The September 30, 2013 date only applies to those that had a PPL/DPL and those specific licenses which I never had. I am by no means a lawyer and am just stating how the order reads to me, any legal minds with an opinion of the wording would be appreciated.
 
Sorry man.... With me being able to grow that covers my perscription lisence... Maybe the doc could help on this one??? I will do some reading tonight see what I can come up with..... Peace
 
j0yr1d3 said:
I'm not worried about growing right now, I have neither the time nor space currently. The only thing I am worried about is being exempt in terms of possession. My numerous readings of the order have lead me to believe anybody with a valid ATP as of the date of the order (March 21st, 2014) is exempt in terms of possession. The September 30, 2013 date only applies to those that had a PPL/DPL and those specific licenses which I never had. I am by no means a lawyer and am just stating how the order reads to me, any legal minds with an opinion of the wording would be appreciated.
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I got this email from a clinic. I Registered with. Think this clears things up for you

"In summary, if you possessed a valid Authorization To Possess (ATP), a valid Personal Production License (PPL) and/or a valid Designated Personal License (DPL) on September 30, 2013 then you are now automatically "grandfathered" into the MMAR program:
(a) You are allowed to have in storage at home the maximum number of grams stated on you pink ATP form to possess at any one time -- but you can not travel with more than 150 grams.
(b) You are only allowed to travel and possess on your person 150 grams at a time. This is the new universal maximum amount that can be carried by both MMAR and MMPR recipients.
(c) If you held a valid license on September 30, 2013 then you do NOT need to see a physician or get anything signed.
PLEASE NOTE: If you did not have a valid ATP, PPL and/or DPL September 30, 2013 then you are NOT grandfathered into the MMAR program and CANNOT grow cannabis and CANNOT reapply."
 
Well at least you can still sign up under the mmpr and acquire legal meds that way. If that's something u wanna do.....better the nothing
 
You can actually access your meds from anywhere you want as long as you have a valid prescription from the the doc regardless of when you accessed the mmar or mmpr system. This is do to the charter section 7 people... so if they don't produce a strain.....or them not providing water leaf of off the plant to patients....that is violating your rights as a canadian... So accesses your medicine from what ever source works for you and please join the coalition and keep fighting... My lawyer says all they can do is take your medicine nothing will hold up in court...peace grow strong
 
johny sunset said:
I got this email from a clinic. I Registered with. Think this clears things up for you

"In summary, if you possessed a valid Authorization To Possess (ATP), a valid Personal Production License (PPL) and/or a valid Designated Personal License (DPL) on September 30, 2013 then you are now automatically "grandfathered" into the MMAR program:
(a) You are allowed to have in storage at home the maximum number of grams stated on you pink ATP form to possess at any one time -- but you can not travel with more than 150 grams.
(b) You are only allowed to travel and possess on your person 150 grams at a time. This is the new universal maximum amount that can be carried by both MMAR and MMPR recipients.
(c) If you held a valid license on September 30, 2013 then you do NOT need to see a physician or get anything signed.
PLEASE NOTE: If you did not have a valid ATP, PPL and/or DPL September 30, 2013 then you are NOT grandfathered into the MMAR program and CANNOT grow cannabis and CANNOT reapply."
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My paperwork was in before sept 30 but my licence expires November 21, so it also covers those that HC authorized after the 30, because of the paperwork date.
 
It seemed cut and dry....to me based on need alone....
Under your charter rights....you choose this course of medication....and are following thru with it....regardless of the date on the application...
Your needs out-weigh said prohibition....
I personally think, anyone, who is willing to go to court...and stand up for their rights and freedoms...as written in the constitution , will easily win...against a corrupt policy altering gov.
These particular laws regarding MMJ were already settled years ago...and stirring up old laws to suit....whatever approach the gov...wants to take while getting tough on crime....today....(especially since crime is on a decline)
it is at best the conservatives trying to undo policies put in place by liberal predecessors before...they get their asses voted out of office....(its no longer about "if the CONServatives,will be able to win an election...but rather...how many will survive their political careers )

As easily as the current gov. ignores the laws on the books already, you too can take the same approach....lol ...change them to suit your needs...then fight it in court...to see the results....
kinda like Stevie H. playing with his chemistry set,(this would be a great segment for the "Little Ronnie" part of the Ron James Show)
 
johny sunset said:
I got this email from a clinic. I Registered with. Think this clears things up for you

"In summary, if you possessed a valid Authorization To Possess (ATP), a valid Personal Production License (PPL) and/or a valid Designated Personal License (DPL) on September 30, 2013 then you are now automatically "grandfathered" into the MMAR program:
(a) You are allowed to have in storage at home the maximum number of grams stated on you pink ATP form to possess at any one time -- but you can not travel with more than 150 grams.
(b) You are only allowed to travel and possess on your person 150 grams at a time. This is the new universal maximum amount that can be carried by both MMAR and MMPR recipients.
(c) If you held a valid license on September 30, 2013 then you do NOT need to see a physician or get anything signed.
PLEASE NOTE: If you did not have a valid ATP, PPL and/or DPL September 30, 2013 then you are NOT grandfathered into the MMAR program and CANNOT grow cannabis and CANNOT reapply."
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their seems to be a lot of false info out, heres what i take from the court order

'The Applicants who held, as of September 30, 2013, or were issued thereafter'

that means if you were ever issued a atp or ppl with a mar 31st expiry date you are good, otherwise it would make no sense

get the final word from conroy's office, don't apply for the mmpr
 
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