SOG with soil - NEED HELP

I've bin trying to figure out what to do with my next grow.. i need to harvest as much weed as possible by JULY 2011! HELP! i would assume some sort of SOG would be in order, but i have no idea how to set this up. i dont want to buy any other equipment, ive got enough shit.. got it all dirt cheap from a friend if u look in my signature u can see my current grow its called "FIRST GROW-More Then I Can Handle". I plan to grow in soil becuz to me thats the cheapest option right now.. a bail of pro-mix HP (HP standing for High Perosity, means more perlite in it then vermaculite, which is good for indoors becuz it drys up quicker therefore giving you more feeds) soiless mix (no nutrients) is about $30 and pots i can either make/find or i can buy cheap too, plus i have lots already. So let me first say this mayb to get things going:

What would you do with the current equipment i hav, the space i hav, the time i hav, and not much money lmao!

MY EQUIPMENT
-1000watt HPS (2 2000k spectrum, i think.. "General Electric" bulbs)
-1000watt MH (1 7200k "Plantmax" bulb)
-400watt MH (7200k "Plantmax" bulb & 3200k "Sunmaster" bulb)
-45 LED panel (compared to 250watt HID, dual spectrum.. red&blue)
-2 CFLs 26watt (6500k)
-2 2' T5s 26watt (6500k)
-1 light mover with 6' rail
-5 air pumps (4 have dual air outputs, 1 single air output)
-1 water pump (396gpm tops, not sure exactly.. got it from a friend)
-1 dehumidfier
-3 air purifiers
-2 ocilating fans
-2 house fans (they dont ocilate)
-a bunch of different sized pots
-Nutrients kit (www.dutchnutrientformula.com, have all except organics)
-50 rapid rooter tray and dome
-90 rockwool cubes
-tray with humidy dome
-6 plus light timers
-ph test kit (drops and strips)

mayb some other things, dono if im leaving n e thing out but one thing to mention is i use distilled water.. i like doing this becuz it has a consistent ph and 0ppms.. i buy my distilled water at the grocery store currently, the juggs i buy are 4 litres.. i can reuse these jugs as pots by cutting off the top where it begins to go into a square base triangle to the lid (the jugs are square, hope that makes sense)... the juggs after i cut the top off would then measure 6" deep x 4.75" wide x 6" long.. i buy each 4 litre jug for 0.99 cents no tax. SO thats a new pot and 4 litres of distilled water lol.. this COULD work pretty nice!? (comments) but i am concerned about harvesting plants with roots that are rootbound (comments?) so ive bin looking into buying a bunch of smart pots.. this could get expensive tho anyways... Also i don't know what to do with my 5 air pumps and 1 water pump.. i would obv. like to use them if they speed things up or allow more plants to be grown but i dont know how to integrate that without getting too too into hydroponics becuz then i would have to buy more equipment and METERS.. bin avoiding those for a bit now and sticking to soil.. i would love to do a huge flood and drain, or aeroponics but no money for that right now so.. i only have a few dollars if u know what i mean.. i wanted to buy a grow tent for my LED panel so i can really test it out, make better use of reflecting light and ensure well rooted/vegged healthy clones in a controlled environment. ANYWAYS.. continue brain storming! lol.. heres what im growing:

VEGGING (under 400watt MH 7200k bulb)
-4 monster cropped clones of "Number One" (kush)
-1 monster cropped clone of "Number Four" (kush)
-1 monster cropped clone of "Peppy Le Purple" (purple kush)

ROOTING (under 2 2' T5s)
-5 clones of "Number One"
-5 clones of "Number Four"
-going to take more, dont know how many yet.. so im just going to take a bunch

FLOWERING (5 days into flowering under 1000watt MH 7200k)
-"Ashley"
-"Number One"
-"Number Four"
-"G13"
-"Sour Diesel"
-"SH-Early"
-"Deformed" clone
-"Number One" clone

EFFECTIVE LIGHT SPACEING (12'x15'x7.5' room)
-8'x4' under 1000watt (HPS or MH) with light mover on 6' rail (might buy new dome reflectors)

-4'x4' under 400watt with 3' wide dome reflector

-2'x2' under 45 LED panel (1'x1'x2", light spand of 1.5', so 6" plus panel size, not sure how high it has to be placed for the extra 6" of light spand)

-5'x5' without light mover for 1000watts im guessing

I have so many options that i can WORK UP TO, or even still lots of options lighting wise right now so keep in mind:

-i have a 3200k bulb for the 400watt (could flower with seperately, or help slowly enduce red spectrum before HPS's 2000k)
-my LED panel is dual spectrum (blue&red, could flower with seperately)
-i have a light mover on a 6' rail
AND
-i have 5 air pumps (9 air stones could be hooked up in total)
-i have 1 water pump around 396gpm or lower
AND
-i have all kinds of seeds and strains if needed
-i have 10 clones rooting
-cutting more clones
-then after the mothers veg back i will have LOTS of clones available aswell from the flowering plants which will be "monster cropped clones"



what i would like to do possibly that i think would be kool, but will only do if it fits into "as many harvests possible from now till july" lol.. is flower 2 weeks under 400watt MH 7200k bulb, 2 weeks under 3200k 400watt MH bulb, then the last 4 weeks under the 1000watt HPS (this being based on the avg. of an 8 week flower cycle).. but in that case i would have to keep my mothers under the 1000watt MH.. which i dont have the electricity for in this room at the moment, i do however have someone coming and installing another circuit, just dont know exacty how soon.. also i can keep them at a friends becuz the original idea is to give him the 1000watt MH and begin building another grow over there.. so try and not use the 1000watt MH lmao wow what a thread eh..

THANK YOU! in advance for your help.. i need to get this shit figured out asap

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you got all the gear there man, get growing...

welshsmoker said:

you got all the gear there man, get growing...

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thanks man but im trying to get a cycle going here instead of just GROW like i did the first time and ended up with too many plants and spider mites and root bound plants from not being able to transplant cuz i didnt have a cycle set up etc. etc. etc.

you always gotta have a plan, and i didnt, so im just flowering what i didnt want to keep around anymore right now.. i have 6 monster cropped plants for mothers.. aswell as i can take clones from each flowering plant.. especially the strains i havent taken clones from yet, those will become new mothers aswell.. i just need a schedule.. i need the most weed i can possibly harvest until july no matter how often i do it as long as it works out to be the most by july.. then i am moving out and all my equipment will have to be divided into sperate grows.. (i will be in an appartment or town house next instead of a single house so it'll be more heat to run this many lights and plants in one area)

your just spoilt with all that gear, check out the scrog or sog threads, they take up more floor space but height is managed, you could pull three harvests in by july if you do single crops, or planting every two weeks you will pull multiple harvest in...whatever you decide good luck...

welshsmoker said:

your just spoilt with all that gear, check out the scrog or sog threads, they take up more floor space but height is managed, you could pull three harvests in by july if you do single crops, or planting every two weeks you will pull multiple harvest in...whatever you decide good luck...

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ya i have a 12'x15' room to do this in! i would get more light coverage with the 1000watts with new reflectors. i have to get a schedule layed out for both so i can try and guess how much i will yeild each harvest, and then comepare overall harvests and yeilds

mayb i can catch some help with a little bud porn muahaha

Hey man click here.....https://www.rollitup.org/hydroponics-aeroponics/6592-get-harvest-every-2-weeks.html ....that will tell you everything you need to know... Good luck

dsnutts is right on the money - you want a perpetual harvest. start cutting clones. And keep cutting, you need to have a steady and continuing supply of clones. Once you got clones vegging you can start putting together a schedule - but it'll take some time to figure out how long each strain needs to veg etc.. before things would really be running smooth.
I've got a small perpetual harvest going now - 6 plants, 10 days apart, total of 60 days in 12:12. It was kind of a pain to get running, but totally worth it.
Like welshsmoker said - ya got the gear...

i did nt read all of your post [sorry to lazy] but i looked at equipment and space and thought if i was you id split my room in to 4 areas 1 for a couple of mothers to take cuttings from, 1 for vedging, and 2 for flowering, just get another 1000w hps bulb so u got 2 flowering rooms with a 1kw hps in each, thats a self sustained way and a way of getting bud every month but if u just wanna smash it go buy like 80 cuttings or 80 seeds i think u got enough lighting options for it and on the plus side of this it simplifies the control of your ventilation and humidity

by the way how much are they charging per ounce where you are?

MrMoores said:

i did nt read all of your post [sorry to lazy] but i looked at equipment and space and thought if i was you id split my room in to 4 areas 1 for a couple of mothers to take cuttings from, 1 for vedging, and 2 for flowering, just get another 1000w hps bulb so u got 2 flowering rooms with a 1kw hps in each, thats a self sustained way and a way of getting bud every month but if u just wanna smash it go buy like 80 cuttings or 80 seeds i think u got enough lighting options for it and on the plus side of this it simplifies the control of your ventilation and humidity

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didnt understand the last part there but i get what your saying. you should have read my whole post tho, then you would know that i wanted to do something similar... flower under the 400watt for 4 weeks (2 weeks 7200k bulb, 2 weeks 3200k bulb) then put under the 1000watt HPS for the remaining 4 weeks.. is this a good idea, anyone?

then i would have to keep my mothers at my friends house under the 1000watt MH.. which is fine with me.. im suppose to be getting another circuit put in downstairs so i can run more electricity, right now im on max for my basments circuit, plugging in a hair dryer in the basement bathroom makes the power go out already so.. i can get away with what im doing for the time being long as i dont plug anything else in lol.. but anyways if i was to get another 1000watt HPS and put it down here after i get the other circuit installed i would need EXTREME ventilation! cuz i have no ventilation in the room as it is, dividing into seperate grow areas AND adding another light will make it like 100 degrees in here lol.. so if i did that ventilation would be first.

MrMoores said:

by the way how much are they charging per ounce where you are?

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just for an ounce of really nice kush is around $250.. if its AMAZING some ppl can be charged like $320.. OBVIOUSLY not me tho muahaha.. i live in canada.

cant you buy an extension lead to take more power downstairs? dont put a mother under a 1000w mh unles u wanna take like 20 cuttings a week from it otherwise its crazy just use ur fluros, your flowing idea sounds great btw using your 400 then switching to 1kw, but you say your ventilation is poor, this is a big thing [imo] it puts more weeks on to your growing time iv found having it hot and humid slows the plant rite down, after it took my mate over 4 months to chop his plants in this humid, hot enviroment we was saiying its down to ventilation, i recently went to his house and installed an air brick by smashing fuk outa his walls, but leting me do this is a testiment to how important he beleives ventilation is
http://www.diy.com/diy/jsp/bq/nav.jsp?action=detail&fh_secondid=10657515&fh_location=//catalog01/en_GB/categories%3C{9372016}/categories%3C{9372048}/categories%3C{9372250}/specificationsProductType=bricks___blocks/specificationsSpecificProductType=bridging_ducts___air_bricks?tmcampid=4&tmad=c&ecamp=cse_go&CAWELAID=415014227

if u decide to go all out on 80 plants youd be looking at 30 bags [30 grand] at $200/oZ

MrMoores said:

if u decide to go all out on 80 plants youd be looking at 30 bags [30 grand] at $200/oZ

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thats IF i were to sell it.. i don't feel like going to jail here lol.. but thats some crazy numbers! how did you estimate that!?

MrMoores said:

cant you buy an extension lead to take more power downstairs? dont put a mother under a 1000w mh unles u wanna take like 20 cuttings a week from it otherwise its crazy just use ur fluros, your flowing idea sounds great btw using your 400 then switching to 1kw, but you say your ventilation is poor, this is a big thing [imo] it puts more weeks on to your growing time iv found having it hot and humid slows the plant rite down, after it took my mate over 4 months to chop his plants in this humid, hot enviroment we was saiying its down to ventilation, i recently went to his house and installed an air brick by smashing fuk outa his walls, but leting me do this is a testiment to how important he beleives ventilation is
http://www.diy.com/diy/jsp/bq/nav.jsp?action=detail&fh_secondid=10657515&fh_location=//catalog01/en_GB/categories%3C{9372016}/categories%3C{9372048}/categories%3C{9372250}/specificationsProductType=bricks___blocks/specificationsSpecificProductType=bridging_ducts___air_bricks?tmcampid=4&tmad=c&ecamp=cse_go&CAWELAID=415014227

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i intend on buying a grow tent for my vegging area under the LED panel and CFLs and FLUORS for now.. then one for the 400watt later on.. dont have much money.. i plan on tarping up my flowering room in a 6'x12' room.. and having as many fans as possible keeping the flow of fresh air being brot in by anothe fan from the next room.. as long as the temperature is good and the plants arent being blown over it'll be ok for now.. ive managed to tarp up the 400watt and 1000watt MH once before in one room and they were fine.. so im sure 1 1000watt HPS on a light mover shouldnt be too hard.. plus winter is coming quick so the basement will be colder soon times..

here is a pic of my current setup.. and a drawing of what im going to do somwhat, didnt feel like changing the drawing around and i couldnt find the other one... but im tarping up in on the right for the flower room.. and the veg room and clone room will actually bin in the same area, the clone room in the pic ended up being too small to make the area.. and i dont know if im going to build that closet there with the secret doors.. but i would like to, i think that would be HELLA KOOL.. then if somone tryed to rob my house or the cops tryed to raid, they would open the main door and see nothing but a closet.. where i might grow just one little plant so they did find something and think thats it lol.. ANYWAYS.. shit should be fine, just need to get a system setup.. how many plants to take when, what sized pots to use, how long to veg. for if to even veg. at all.. when to transplant, if i should at all.. etc. etc. etc.

ok so tell what you guys think..

4 weeks VEG:
-take/root clones (2 weeks) T5s CFLs
-transplant/veg clones under LED panel (2weeks)

4 weeks FLOWER:
-move to 400watt MH 7200k, **take/root more clones now? (2 weeks)
-continue flowering but change bulb to 3200k, transplant new clones to LED (2 weeks)


4 weeks FLOWER:
-move to 1000watt HPS on light mover, move new clones to 400watt 7200k (2 weeks)
-finish last 2 weeks of flower, change 400watt bulb to 3200k for new clones
-harvest

and so on with the new clones


MY QUESTIONS:

- when would the best time be to transplant to bigger pots to maximize space under the 1000watt HPS with light mover??

i can only fit so many under the LED panel so i figured once rooted out of the humidity dome i could :

OPTIONS
-1- transplant to alot of dixie cups (id have to figure out how many can fit)
-2- transplant to 4" rockwool cubes (36 4"x4"x4".. **not sure how id water tho)
-3-transplant to the 4L water jugs (16 jugs at 6"x4.5"x6" deep )

any other options?

***this being for if i transplant after the LED panel which i dono if i should do or not

**option 3 being the jugs, those are too small to flower all the way thru arent they?

**what sized pots do i want to be flowering in with this cycle?

dunno if anyone said this yet but i wouldnt bother with ph testing strips and drops. Imo they are a total waste of money compared to the meters, i regretted that i chose them alot. If you dont have lots of $$$ a good meter can be had for like 30 bucks shipped w/a few buffer solution packs. http://www.sunstoneherbals.com/ph_600_meter_ph600_tester.htm
(it only comes with a single buffer pack. i suggest you get a few extra now.
You seem to have a pretty good understanding of what your doing, what are your specific questions?

darkdestruction420 said:

dunno if anyone said this yet but i wouldnt bother with ph testing strips and drops. Imo they are a total waste of money compared to the meters, i regretted that i chose them alot. If you dont have lots of $$$ a good meter can be had for like 30 bucks shipped w/a few buffer solution packs. http://www.sunstoneherbals.com/ph_600_meter_ph600_tester.htm
(it only comes with a single buffer pack. i suggest you get a few extra now.
You seem to have a pretty good understanding of what your doing, what are your specific questions?

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read over the above post.. and ya thats why im not switching over to hydroponics, cuz i dont have a ph meter or a ppm meter...