Introducing the CC Hydro-Organic Small Water Culture System

closet.cult

New Member
O.K. folks, the new dawn is upon us. I have discovered a new growing method. I will describe it to you and show you the steps or phases
required to achieve it.

This grow method I will call, very immodestly: The CC Hydro-Organic Small Water Culture.

This is my variation of a new type of hybrid growing method called Hydro-Organic. The basic idea is that research shows that the TOP 1/3 of
ROOTS are specialized for uptake of NUTRIENTS (think: Rain Water). While the BOTTOM 2/3 is specialized for plain water uptake (think: Tap Root).

Therefore, if you can confine the top 1/3 of roots to a container of organic soil and ONLY FEED NUTRIENTS UP TOP, then the bottom 2/3 of roots
are free to hang in a hydroponic system containing SIMPLE PLAIN WATER BELOW!

This is the best of both worlds! The soil is organic meaning great taste and the hydroponic system feeding water & oxygen to the bottom roots
NEVER NEEDS TO BE PH'd! Just top up with Hydrogen Peroxide when the water level falls. It will add oxygenated water and kill any bacteria.

The system I read about was being used with ebb & flow but any hydroponic system can be converted to hydro-organic.

Here's how it works:

Phase I - Grow your seedling/clone in a small container. It won't need to be big because we are going to intentionally grow these until they are
root bound. A plant grown in the ground will get very deep roots. We want the roots to wrap around the container enough that 1/3 of the roots
of the adult plant are trapped in the small upper container.

I grew about 20 seedlings to start with. Here they are, three weeks old, heading toward root bound (I assume that's why they're small for their
age):



While they are growing the roots I want, I begin their LST training. I have a low space so I train these bitches hard.





Finally, when they begin to show signs of root bound, (yellowing and then brown spots of the BOTTOM, OLDEST leaves) it is time to move to:
Phase II - Transfer to hydroponics. There are a couple ways of doing this. I pulled out the plants, partially cut the bottoms off my small containers, added a layer of rockwool to the bottom and repotted the plants in the same container.

The idea is allow the now freed roots to grow thru the rockwool into your hydroponics, but you will need a barrier that will prevent your nutrient
solution from dripping thru the soil into your PLAIN WATER RESEVIOR. Accordingly, you will also need to pay attention to how much nutrients you
feed your plants so you do not soak it so thoroughly that it drips thru the rockwool.

I am feeding only a couple of splashes of nutrients every day to prevent dripping, but still have a constant nutrient supply. It keeps the soil moist
with nutrients but not soaking. And you do not have to bother with letting it dry out because the plant is getting all the oxygen it needs thru the
hydro system below!

I have decided to give each of my plants its own reservoir to prevent root entangling problems when I sex them. That's why I am calling this a
Small Water Culture. I will be in veg for only 2 more weeks. I have yet to learn how much the roots will grow during flowering. But I believe I will
be able to trim the roots as I LST the plants.



I got the plastic containers for $1.50 each at The Container Store. The final step was to protect the roots from light with black plastic that I can
remove to check root development.



So, there it is: the CC Hydro-Organic Small Water Culture system. I hope I can answer any questions you might have. I will try to find the web
page that I learned about hydro-organic from so you can see an example of ebb & flow. Its the same idea: A small, organic soil rootball, above
rockwool that does not touch the water, with roots growing down & exposed, above an ebb & flow tray, with black plastic covering the roots
from the light. The ebb & flow flows over thr exposed roots, not the rockwool.

To me, this is the perfect system. All the benefits of organic soil combined with the growth capabilities of hydroponics but without the PH mess.

I will be posting more pics later as this grow advances in my grow journal here: https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/35890-white-widow-stealth-hps.html


Peace :joint: :peace:
 

cheesypeace

New Member
Man that is so frigging complex it sounds sick though! I am sure it has benefits once you get it into full swing with higher amounts of organics ferts... I know thaqt for me i usually make a hydro fertilizer @ 1000 ppm and have that in a juice jug and use it to top up my bubble buckets every day because the water level lowers and pm drops to 300-400. So once I top all the reservoirs up the ppm in all the buckets is about 550-650 and then the plants drink and use aboujt 200-300 ppms a day of fertilizer AND MAN are they ever a nice dark green and growth is like a thick bush all around. =]

But I try to keep in mind of the average ppm level and i try to raise it by 50 every few days
 

closet.cult

New Member
sounds cool.

but i was looking to an alternative to having to test my water for PH and nutrient ppm. the advantage to hydro-organic is that the only testing involved is the organic nutrients ph. i make mine about 6.0. feed once a day, or not. the plants are still getting water and oxygen thru the hydro system. so, its a redundancy system, to boot.
 

closet.cult

New Member
thanks. we need to spread the word for those of us who like hydro growth results but dont want to to mess with ph and ppm.
 

papajock

Well-Known Member
I like this alot. One thing. Do you think you will have problems with the roots in the small water containers? Not much room in there for a good sized roots.
 

potroast

Uses the Rollitup profile
OK, so it sounds like you have a pot of dirt, and you are feeding it every day?
And you call that hydro-organic? :blsmoke:

I think you would be using the soil as a hydro medium, and the plants would not do very much with the dirt.

And if you use seedlings, you will have problems, that system is designed for spread-out roots, not a tap root.

Good luck with it, and make some adjustments on the fly, we want to hear how it works out.

HTH :mrgreen:
 

closet.cult

New Member
I like this alot. One thing. Do you think you will have problems with the roots in the small water containers? Not much room in there for a good sized roots.
well, skunk recently had a whole thread about creating large plants from small root systems. And her created 1+ ounzes per plant! My containers are only a bit smaller then his AND I will allow the tap root to stretch, albiet trimmed, into a hydroponics chamber. I believe the root mass will be sufficent.
 

closet.cult

New Member
OK, so it sounds like you have a pot of dirt, and you are feeding it every day?
And you call that hydro-organic? :blsmoke:

I think you would be using the soil as a hydro medium, and the plants would not do very much with the dirt.

And if you use seedlings, you will have problems, that system is designed for spread-out roots, not a tap root.

Good luck with it, and make some adjustments on the fly, we want to hear how it works out.

HTH :mrgreen:
Pot, the soil above is fully organic and houses the mass of 1/3 of the roots. if i utilize the small root system that skunk already proved is enough for a large harvest, the small root ball in soil will support all the nutrients i need. then, the bottom 2/3 roots are allowed grow into a hydrophonics container below with PLAIN WATER ONLY.

this is the definition of the hybrid, hydro-organic system of growing. if the tap roots sat in a nutrient solution below, it would be a hydro system. there are no organic hydrophonic nutrients.

p.s.- the container below can be of any size for any system of roots you desire. I intend to trim them, as required for small containers. any questions?
 

panhead

Well-Known Member
This a pretty interesting topic/grow method for me,ive been researching this method for a few weeks now,infact it lead me to this site.

I'll be watching your results,please keep this thread updated.
 

Tom Bombodil

Active Member
Love the ideas, dude. I've been thinking of a hybrid DWC/Drip method. I'll post some pics when I get it built, but here's the idea:

I've had alot of success in the past using DWC with no water pumps, just an air pump. THen I talked to people who had tons of success using DWC with water pumps to aerate the water. So I'm thinking my typical 30-gal tote, 8 sites for clones, with an air pump leading to the resevoir. Additionally, a small submersible pump would pump the water through one of those 8-port manifolds and into the inner root zone of each plant.

To scale the system up, there will be three totes side-by-side, all connected near the bottom with a thru-hull 1 1/4" hose. THe tote on the farthest end will have a float valve connected to 1/4" water tubing, in order to keep the system topped off at all times (when I'm not around to babysit).

What you all think?
 

diggitydank420

Well-Known Member
Maybe I should try this. I have (3) 3 gallon rubbermaid DWC tubs and will be adding a fourth soon. Gotta love modular hydro!
 

WildHoneyPie

Active Member
wouldnt the nutrient water being fed in the top run down to the jars bringing dirt with it? you would have to drain the jars after ever nute watering so the ph doesnt go crazy.
 
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