YouTube Continues Its Cannabis Purge

vostok

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A few weeks ago, Sam Houston, a California cannabis aficionado,

was checking out some of his favorite YouTube channels when he noticed a trend.

One by one, accounts such as those run by users “Vader OG” and the horticulturalist

known as Jorge Cervantes were being shut down.

All were given the same ominous message:

The channel’s content had been flagged for review and was found to violate YouTube’s guidelines.

Houston, who works as a community manager in San Francisco, was perplexed.

Those channels have been around for a long time.

Some were showing or discussing cannabis growing techniques

or sharing the trials and tribulations of growing the plant.

Most were merely informational videos, not sexually explicit or dangerous in any way.

Houston wasn’t alone.

His frustration has been felt across the entire community of cannabis YouTube content creators.

For the last month, the global video platform has been shutting down a wide swath of cannabis channels,

often with little or no warning. Two years ago, Facebook famously

shut down many cannabis-related accounts,

but YouTube has always been much friendlier and more tolerant of cannabis material.

The move, which came with no public notice from YouTube,

has the cannabis world confounded. It comes as an abrupt about-face at a time when cannabis

is gaining wider social acceptance.

The plant remains federally illegal, but only a small handful of states outlaw it in all forms.

YouTube’s Warning Flags
Dylan Osborn is the founder of Greenbox Grown. It’s a site and channel aimed at teaching people

how to grow their own medicine “without spending too much money or without too much time or effort,”

he told Leafly. YouTube flagged the channel a few weeks ago.

That channel boasted 13,000 subscribers and more than 200 videos.

Many of them were instructional how-to videos, along with strain reviews.

Several months ago Osborn started getting flagged, the “sixth time in the last four months,”

he estimated. But he’d always be reinstated with a quick email.

This time, though, it wasn’t just his channel. “You could tell it was different,” he said.

“Lots of other channels were getting taken down, channels that had been around for years and years.”

Why Cannabis? Why Now?
Osborn expressed frustration at the inability to figure out how exactly

he was suddenly violating the channel’s rules.

“There are tons of other videos violating content guidelines that aren’t cannabis related,”

he said. “You can watch videos about how to make bombs out of household items on YouTube all day.”

Osborn has since switched to self-hosting his videos and charging a $14.99 monthly subscription fee.

First Guns, Now Cannabis
The ban on some cannabis content echoes the recent shutdown of channels showing gun videos.

Many who had gun content turned to self hosting or moved their videos to Pornhub

(which went on to implement its own ban).

Some cannabis content creators are now moving their material to Instagram and other social networking sites.

In April, YouTube was quoted by New York magazine as having changed its policies.

A YouTube rep said in a statement:

“While we’ve long prohibited the sale of firearms, we recently notified creators of updates

we will be making around content promoting the sale or manufacture of firearms and their accessories.”

Now, it seems, YouTube is taking a similar approach to cannabis—

with a liberal interpretation of what might constitute the “promotion” of cannabis.
 

vostok

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Maybe It’s the Ad Money
Clark and Alice are video bloggers from Hollywood, California.

They post to YouTube as “That High Couple.” They too have been abruptly deleted,

losing 28,000-plus subscribers.

YouTube’s reason for suspending our channel was that we ‘broke community guidelines,

’” they told Leafly in an email. “There was no specific reason, only a generic list that it could be

because we were promoting violence, illegal drug use, creating spam content, etc.”

They surmise that the reason behind the shutdown is advertising money.

“YouTube can’t make ad revenue from cannabis content,” they wrote.

“Last year, YouTube went through what most are calling ‘The Adpocalypse,’

where many top advertisers were seeing their ads play before content that was inappropriate

and damaging to their brand. Once the money started leaving,

YouTube updated their algorithm to prevent ‘unsuitable’ content from getting ads delivered

against their content and the whole system has been crumbling ever since.”

But Alex Jones Is Okay?
YouTube has come under scrutiny for allowing questionably appropriate content for children.

Most recently, the platform has come under fire for allowing videos by conspiracy theorist Alex Jones

attacking Sandy Hook survivors and claiming that the mass shooting of schoolchildren

“didn’t happen.” Meanwhile, YouTube removed a video report by Media Matters showing how Jones

spread falsehoods. (It was later reinstated.) YouTube also took harsh criticism for its handling

of the Logan Paul controversy, in which the YouTube star exhibited the body of a person

who had hanged himself in a Japanese forest.

“Advertisers again pressured YouTube to monitor their content, and many channels

with ‘questionable’ content have been getting terminated as a result,”

Alice and Clark wrote in their email.

No More Warning Strikes
Another channel creator, Kord Tagley, also had his channel shut down last month.

Tagley’s channel, GreenGenes Garden, offered mostly informational material,

such as programming about grow lights and other technology.

The channel began six years ago as a marketing tool for Tagley’s business,

Pacific Light Concepts, which sells LED lights.

YouTube’s sudden denunciation of cannabis content is puzzling to Tagley.

He felt he did everything he needed to be compliant with California state guidelines on advertising,

such as including age-appropriate (21+) warnings before the start of his videos.

He became part of the Google Adsense partnership program once he crossed 10,000 subscribers

a few years ago (he had 43,000 when he was shut down)

and had amassed about 7 million total video views.

Tagley was making a tiny profit from his YouTube videos, he said, but that’s not what upsets him.

In addition to the loss of viewership—once YouTube makes a channel a partner,

the platform boosts its views—YouTube bypassed its usual three-strike warning protocol

before deleting his account.

After the first strike, “you can no longer livestream for the next 90 days,” he said.

“Two strikes, you can’t upload any more content, and three strikes, they’ll delete your account.”

He’d received a few strikes for five-year-old videos, appealed, and won—and the strikes were rescinded.

After receiving emails from the Russian government “saying that they were going to ban some of my videos

in their country and that Google may have to act accordingly,” he said, “I received emails from Google

or YouTube saying that there had been one or more legal complaints

and that they had to act and delete my account.” He’d struck out.

As an alternative, he’s now airing his daily videos on TheWeedTube.com,

a community-created, cannabis-focused video site.

Moving to Instagram or Pornhub
Several other channel creators reappeared on Instagram.

There, they directed followers to other sites, including gaming platform Twitch, which recently opened up

to allow cannabis content for livestreaming.

Users are also creating new YouTube accounts to reach their old subscribers.

After one video was flagged, YouTuber “Vader OG” made a second one

—which was flagged as well.

“YouTube went ahead and gave me two strikes,

” he says in a video on a second channel, which he dubbed his “lifeboat.”

“The first strike was two videos. It was just kind of weird, but I kept uploading, of course, and bam,

I got a second strike,” he continues. “So I am unable to upload for at least two weeks,

which kind of gets in the way of the daily series.”

Others, have followed the approach of some gun channel creators,

shifting to a site with a high tolerance for adult content: Pornhub.

Osborn has been in contact with other YouTube channel creators about next steps.

“We are all trying to figure this out together,” he said.

Nobody Can Reach YouTube
YouTube’s motives are equally unclear to the channel creators.

Communication is hard, if not impossible. “YouTube only gives you 500 characters,

so that’s spaces included, to appeal any of their strikes,” Tagley says.

“It appears that bots are reviewing the appeals,

because they’re getting bounced back in a matter of minutes.”

Messages left with YouTube’s media contacts were not immediately returned.

Osborne and the other video creators are frustrated by the lack of communication.

“It’s unfortunate they are not working with us on this issue,” Osborn said.

“They are just shutting the door and that’s it.”

Update: On April 25, That High Couple had their YouTube channel restored.
Leafly and That High Couple are still waiting on an explanation for
the original shutdown and the restoration.

(https://www.leafly.com/news/industry/youtube-continues-its-cannabis-purge-and-nobody-knows-why)
 

hotrodharley

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Authoritarian bullshit. Everyone loves a strongman and his assholes. Until they get into your house. Then it starts getting out of line. Expect more crap as more states move to legalize.
 

SwiSHa85

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"The Age of Outrage" It's a fucked time in our society. Fuck all forms of mass media and advertising. It's all a puppet show. I guy can't record growing a plant yet they allow perverts to record children eating bananas an shit. WTF has this world come to.
 

SB85

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YT has thrown tons of creators under the bus in-order to keep their sponsors happy
 
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ANC

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What if I told you there was a persecuted group of people larger than the following religions combined....
  1. African traditional and Diasporic (100 million)
  2. Sikhism (23 million)
  3. Juche (19 million)
  4. Judaism (14 million)
  5. Bahai (7 million)
  6. Jainism (4.2 million)
  7. Shinto (4 million)
  8. Cao Dai (4 million)
  9. Zoroastrianism (2.6 million)
  10. Tenrikyo (2 million)
  11. Neo-Paganism (1 million)
  12. Unitarian-Universalism (800,000)
Total 181.6 million people

Total estimated cannabis users worldwide 238 million people.

This shit has to stop.

Sources:
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/10/06/the_odd_body_religion/
https://www.statista.com/statistics/264734/number-of-cannabis-users-worldwide-by-region/
 

xtsho

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I'm on the fence with this. I don't care for censorship but they are trying to make money and if they lose sponsors over marijuana video's it could effect the bottom line. Nothing is stopping someone from creating their own platform so they can allow whatever they want. One good thing is those infomercials to sell products pretending to be grow videos will disappear. Those plus all those videos from people that don't have a clue pretending to be master growers while showing you their burnt up crappy plants. There's too much disinformation in most of the vids that are/were on youtube. I don't watch them because for the most part they're a waste of time. I haven't looked at a video related to cannabis on youtube in years. It's great for watching music though.
 

SB85

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I'm on the fence with this. I don't care for censorship but they are trying to make money and if they lose sponsors over marijuana video's it could effect the bottom line. Nothing is stopping someone from creating their own platform so they can allow whatever they want. One good thing is those infomercials to sell products pretending to be grow videos will disappear. Those plus all those videos from people that don't have a clue pretending to be master growers while showing you their burnt up crappy plants. There's too much disinformation in most of the vids that are/were on youtube. I don't watch them because for the most part they're a waste of time. I haven't looked at a video related to cannabis on youtube in years. It's great for watching music though.



YT should have took this anti Cannabis stance years ago and never allowed creators to upload that kind of content. They have allowed creators to upload tons of content/grow a channel just to throw them under the bus at the end.
 

xtsho

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YT should have took this anti Cannabis stance years ago and never allowed creators to upload that kind of content. They have allowed creators to upload tons of content/grow a channel just to throw them under the bus at the end.
Photobucket did something similar when they decided to start charging to link hosted images. Billions of images disappeared from forums all across the web. After years of free hosting they forced users to pay $399 to link to images. If you didn't pay your links went down. It sucks but it is what it is. I'm not condoning it but there is absolutely nothing anyone can do about youtube taking down videos so it's best to move on and find alternatives.
 

xtsho

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They did the same thing with firearm related videos. I think they are removing videos of controversial topics. They had advertisers leaving and it cost them money. Makes perfect business sense and helps them avoid getting tangled up in the politics of these controversial topics. If I was running youtube I might have made the same decision. Not because I find anything wrong with the videos but because it was impacting the bottom line. Businesses are in business to make money. If something is potentially having a negative effect on profits then you do away with it. Business 101.
 

ANC

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I'm on the fence with this. I don't care for censorship but they are trying to make money and if they lose sponsors over marijuana video's it could effect the bottom line. Nothing is stopping someone from creating their own platform so they can allow whatever they want. One good thing is those infomercials to sell products pretending to be grow videos will disappear. Those plus all those videos from people that don't have a clue pretending to be master growers while showing you their burnt up crappy plants. There's too much disinformation in most of the vids that are/were on youtube. I don't watch them because for the most part they're a waste of time. I haven't looked at a video related to cannabis on youtube in years. It's great for watching music though.
If they lose sponsorship, then we need a list of those companies so we can boycott them.
 

xtsho

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If they lose sponsorship, then we need a list of those companies so we can boycott them.
Why? I don't see any reason for example a company that makes diapers to want their ads running with a marijuana video. In this day and age companies have to be very careful to avoid being associated with anything controversial or political. youtube did the same thing with firearm related videos. They're trying to get ahead of things. Makes perfect business sense to me. But that may be the remnants of the corporate world I worked in for 20 years. If you want to boycott someone then boycott youtube. They're the ones that pulled the videos. Not trying to start a fight or anything. Just my opinion which is meaningless anyway. (: :bigjoint:
 

cogitech

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Why? I don't see any reason for example a company that makes diapers to want their ads running with a marijuana video. In this day and age companies have to be very careful to avoid being associated with anything controversial or political.
It's unfortunate that the average person is so stupid that they don't understand that the advertisement is in NO WAY related to the content. Or, it isn't true at all.<(-this)

Also, anyone watching a weed video, or gun video, or (pick your controversial topic) has searched for that video and clicked on it. They are already OK with the content. They want the content. The diaper ad is just an inconvenience to them. The corporation loses nothing. Do they think gun owners and pot-heads don't have babies?
 

xtsho

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It's unfortunate that the average person is so stupid that they don't understand that the advertisement is in NO WAY related to the content. Or, it isn't true at all.<(-this)

Also, anyone watching a weed video, or gun video, or (pick your controversial topic) has searched for that video and clicked on it. They are already OK with the content. They want the content. The diaper ad is just an inconvenience to them. The corporation loses nothing. Do they think gun owners and pot-heads don't have babies?
The average person is the target audience for sponsors. I don't even look at ads let alone click on them. Who does? I don't know anyone that clicks on ads. A good portion of ad click through's are bot driven. Corporate America is too stupid to realize that one guy running some software is responsible for 20% of their ads being visited. The only thing I watch on youtube is music. I like looking at live videos of bands I like. I don't necessarily agree with youtube pulling cannabis videos but I understand their logic behind it. In this day and age it's better to err on the side of caution rather than be the next victim involved in the latest scandal to hit the headlines.

From a business perspective it makes sense to minimize your exposure to anything controversial. As a consumer of internet content I think it stinks. But it is what it is. I'll continue to enjoy the content that youtube provides. I don't watch cannabis videos. I have no reason to. But I feel bad for the people that enjoyed watching them and are no longer able to. Like I said. It is what it is. Welcome to living in the real world 101.
 

too larry

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What started this was some white supremacists videos that got paired with Ford ads. Ford took their money and went home. YT over reacted.
 

cogitech

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What started this was some white supremacists videos that got paired with Ford ads. Ford took their money and went home. YT over reacted.
I just don't get this logic. Ford is the loser in this. They scrap the opportunity for wide-spread advertising potential because some people who wanted to watch some white supremacist videos saw their ad. Those people sought out the content. They made the choice to watch it. Some of them might buy a Ford.

How in any way does this implicate Ford in white supremacy? They didn't choose the content, so they are not morally or legally responsible or associated with it. They might profit off of the advertising, but they profit from advertising to white supremacists all the time, on TV, print, billboards, etc. The ad is intended for general consumption. Is anyone going to question whether or not white supremacists buy and drive vehicles?

At most, a reasonable reaction would be to request that Ford's ads not be associated with that type of content. Youtube talks a lot about their algorithms. Well, put them to proper use, youtube.
 

too larry

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I just don't get this logic. Ford is the loser in this. They scrap the opportunity for wide-spread advertising potential because some people who wanted to watch some white supremacist videos saw their ad. Those people sought out the content. They made the choice to watch it. Some of them might buy a Ford.

How in any way does this implicate Ford in white supremacy? They didn't choose the content, so they are not morally or legally responsible or associated with it. They might profit off of the advertising, but they profit from advertising to white supremacists all the time, on TV, print, billboards, etc. The ad is intended for general consumption. Is anyone going to question whether or not white supremacists buy and drive vehicles?

At most, a reasonable reaction would be to request that Ford's ads not be associated with that type of content. Youtube talks a lot about their algorithms. Well, put them to proper use, youtube.
I agree. Doesn't make sense. But folks were doing screen shots and posting in on Facebook. The news picked it up. Ford did what it thought was best for their bottom line.
 
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