yelodrvr's next attempt

so before I start, let it be known I am a newbie. everything I have learned has been through this site and a few others. every homemade item I have built has been a complete rip off of others peoples grows and systems. I figure copy success to be successful. I have adjusted and changed things to the way I like them. I am always finding flaws and looking for advice.

the journal in my sig was my first attempt. it went ok. I have a few journals on a different site, of other previous grows. they also went ok. (if anybody wants a link to them PM me) then I had a series of total fuck ups. burned up about $120 worth of seeds from nirvana.
I think I have worked out those issues, and ready for total success this time. with help from you pro's on RIU.

if you look through my old grows I have tried every system that I have found out there. homemade of course. drip, ntf, DWC, flood and drain. even adapted the cloner concept in five gallon buckets which worked very well. pain in the ass, but worked. so after a year of playing around I really like the aerophonics concept. I refuse to go spend the $100s of dollars that they want to charge for the systems that are store bought. and to tell the truth there is none out there that I cant build myself.

ok enough bullshit let me get to the facts.
the space
is about 4' x 5' x 7' for flower
2.5' x 2.5 x 7' for propagating and veg

the lights
2' 4 bulb T5s 96w total at 6500kea for propagation

2' 8 bulb T5s 192w total at 6500kea for veg
1000w HPS/MH ballast for flower with vented hood

the nutes
sunleaves rockwool forumla 1 part A and B
some micro nutes forget the brand
a few cleaners and additives for salt buildup.

fans
the fan that pulls the air through the hood is a 6" inline duct fan.
the rest are just regular fans. soon will add a can fan and filter when $ allow.

the systems
this is the system i built for cloning. just a hybrid of a tute on this forum and the power cloner. 396gph water pump, 1/2 PVC, and air pump with diffusers. i use nothing for clones. snip and place in cloner. take about 5-10 days to get roots. here the tute i put together. - CLONER by Yelodrvr Marijuana Growing

this is what i call the torpedo. its inspired by earls shuttle. ghetto style. his is the shit. it is 6" PVC with a 3.5' lazer drilled spray line. there are also two air diffusers in the tube, along with 2 in the resavore. the pump 1/4 hp sump pump from big box hardware store. got tired of fucking around with the little pumps. althought the heat being put off by this pump might make me change pumps. we'll see.

the climate
room temp 75f-84f
water temp about 78f having issiues right now. i have a hillbilly chiller made out of a cooler. might hook that up soon.
PH 5.6 - 6.5 is the swing i like to keep.
TDS started out at about 50ppm R/O for propagation and jumped to 200ppm for veg slowly working up to 400ppm - 500ppm. taking it easy right now. will step up little by little to 1500ppm

my bitches
i told you i fucked up all the seeds from nirvana. i had one left that is going now. it is skunk #1. it is obvious which plant is the engineered strain. the rest are bagseed.

these where germinated then placed in a dome under the T5s until i could see tap roots coming out the net pot, about 5-7 days. then to the cloner. for about 3 weeks. in the past i would veg for 5-6 weeks. i have decided to veg for a much shorter time. like i said before. copying success. keep them short for light penetration. hopefully i will see those tight compact buds this time instead of the fluffy shit.

today is the first day of flower. some of them a runts, probaly should not wast my time, but i figure i will wait to see wihich are male then thin them out.

any advice or question welcome.
will try to get some better pic when the light goes out.

Looking DAMN GOOD!!!

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well fuck!!! since i just started tonight with this new set up, i have been keeping a eye on it for leaks and shit like that. when i last checked the res temp was crazy. 37c what does that equate to in F? i think 70f is about 21c-22c. so 37 has to be around 100f. shit. glad i caught it right off the bat.

just threw a bag of ice in brought it down to 23c, PH and replaced the pump with a older pump. not as hard of a spray, but its no where as hot. i guess i need to go get a in-line pump tomorrow or a chiller.
pump $100 < chiller $350 = pump

ok pics with lights out. now you can see all the damage i did during veg. my research leads me to believe i should have started nutes much earlier. been working on the road lately so the neglect/laziness is my fault.

looks like all kinds of deficiencies. what you think? anybody? this is just 1 thread that i use to diagnose problems. good old RIU. https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/1469-marijuana-plant-problems-cures.html

they look pretty bad right now. if you look at my first grow you will see one plant that was everything but dead and i brought it back to life. so these will be no problem. I HOPE!!! helll i am a pic whore so the last 2 pics are the dead brought back to life.









dead


alive (same plant)

so after work I got the new pump. its a Sunleaves 1586gph. the spray pattern is not what I want. I would like to see lots more splashing and a finer mist, but this pump will have to do.

the area I use is a bathroom in the basement. I built a wall to divide the room. the half with the shower is where the flower room is. the shower is what is use for the veg room. before I had a separate cabinet for the propagation area. now I will build a shelf and use the bottom part of the shower for veg and the top for clone and seed propagation. to separate the flower room from the veg room I use a piece of Styrofoam wrapped in Mylar to divide the room and make it light tight when both areas are in operation.

the reservoir is now behind the wall. that room has a window that I open and push the cold winter air into the flower room with the fan built in the wall. with the reservoir being in this room now, it stays at constant 68f. even with the new pump submerged instead of in line. so that problem is solved.

some pics.

the reservoir


this is the flower room.



the prop and veg room. shelf coming soon. the 2nd pic is with the Styrofoam up as a divider.


here is a pic of the hillbilly chiller. hopefully I wont need it during the winter. and just maybe I can pick up a real chiller by summer. pretty self explanatory. pack with ice, run lines from res/pump to chiller, then chiller to the torpedo. the water cools as it runs thought the cooper tube packed in ice.


here is what the root shot looks like. never got roots like this with drip/ntf/DWC. when I used the same principle's in the 5 gallon buckets the roots would fill half the bucket.

these where germinated on 10/6.
sprouted on 10/9 placed in propagation tray with dome till tap roots pushed out the bottom of the 1in rockwool cubes on 10/17
put in cloner for veg till 11/10.
today day 2 flower.


these are not much different than yesterday, but i already mention i am a pic whore. you can still see the nute deficiencies. i did not really add much nutes until about a week ago. far to late.



any comments welcome. any tips appreciated. and if you have a grow similar to mine please leave a link.

Man they looking really good!! They just look hungry if anything, i had some plant that looked similar and it was because i wasnt giving them enough to eat. That is a steellar set up and what a DAMN MONSTER in that last pic, what did you grow that in? What striain was that and how did it smoke, what nutes you using??

thanks man. i agree with you that i was starving them. been slowly bringing the ppm up daily. right now its a 600ppm. just think i better take it up slow, try not to do anymore damage.

the plant in the old pic was at a friends house, in a smoke filled room, about 3 feet from a window. hence the first pic. it was just some bag seed dude threw in the pot. i had just got my lights and figured what the hell. took it home. the weed was not all that great. yield was pretty good. its was in soil when i got it. the nutes i have been using from day 1 till now are sunleaves rockwool formula one / part A and B. and some micro nutes. there is a pic of them up a post or two.

its all in the journal in my sig. lots of mistakes but it was cool to watch grow.

here is links to all grow that i have posted here and elsewhere. the 2nd link is somewhat a duplicate of the first grow, just on a different site.
https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/48855-first-grow-pics-need-advice.html#post529788

- first grow (pics) advice wanted Marijuana Growing

- 2nd grow t5s to 1000w 24/7 cycle Marijuana Growing

i was looking through some journals and came across this guy. his shit is amazing. i wish i had found this thread before i started. any way check him out.

https://www.rollitup.org/hydroponics-aeroponics/116859-harvest-pound-every-three-weeks.html


he is running a PPM of 1500-2000. am i way off by only being at about 700ppm in the first week of flower? fuck thats almost 1/3 of what he runs.

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that bud looks yammy

thanks for checking me out guys. there are 6 plants total. the 2nd hole from the left is the skunk #1 i had left. the rest are bag seed. i think i am seeing some balls. that sucks. i will wait it out a few day to make sure.

Plants lo0oking GR8!!! I am reading thru that link now i want 1 lb every 3 weeks!!!

his set up is pretty cool. i looked for weeks to find the tray or chamber to grow in or what every you want to call it. he uses one of those 4x4x10 plastic fence post . i dont know how i missed that in all the hours of walking around big box hardware store looking. the 6" PVC i use is awkward and a little on the big side plus it was $26 10'.

i refuse to buy these systems for the over inflated prices these company's want to charge. ill build it. hell i been thinking of slapping the cloner i made on ebay just to see what i could fetch. i would have to clean up the construction a little make it look less homemade. but for the 1/3 of the price i bet it would sell.

Power Cloners from Growco Indoor Garden Supply $339

my cloner
just add a dome, which i never use, cleaner construction. total cost about $50 x 50% markup $100 out the door. water pump, air pump, air stones, tubing everything hell for there $339 i could throw in the 2' 4 t5s and still make $100+ a sale. my t5s $169



AeroFlo2 20 aeroponics system, from Growco Indoor Garden Supply $339

my aero
under the insulation its pretty clean. it PVC how dirty can it be. especially since i am a pipe fitter. my reservoir is on the other side of the wall for temp reasons. but it could look just like the one in the ad if i used the fence post. total cost about $75 sell for $150 pump, reservoir everything.

you could throw in a $150-$200 600w hps and have the whole set up for around the price of there system.



who wants one. fuck it ill give the plans to RIU members.
- CLONER by Yelodrvr Marijuana Growing $free

This is gr8, could i put smaller holes for more clones??... how the hell do you PLUS REP?!?!..... i been on this site for this long and still dont know how to, you deserve one for this............

yea you can make the holes anyway you want. i have two lids. one the cuts out are about 1". i just stick the clone in a 1' neoprene and insert into hole. no net pots. when i get roots going i pack the clone in a 3" net pot with hydrotron rock. change lid and veg in the same cloner. when i move to flower just pick up the net pot and roots, slide it in the torpedo tube.

i am going to take clones in a day or two. i have never really posted it step by step. maybe i will this time.

day 11 flower. nutes are 1100ppm now. night time air 64f. is that to low? lights on temp 71f.

its taken a long time to get the temps right. i think all my past problems where cause by high room and resi. temps. all i need to do is add a ac unit this summer and all should be good. over the weekend i re done the hack job i did on the drywall when i built the wall. replace the fan in the wall with a blower. with the window open, and the winter air its perfect. maybe to cold. i shut the window at night.

i cant seem to be able to figure out this camera. the pics make the plants look real bad. lots of yellow. but there really is no yellow. a few tips maybe. i cut back all the nute deficiencies from veg, those spots are brown not yellow. anyway. i was able to get one in macro that is as close as i can get to the true over all color of the plants.



plant 1


plant 2 the runt


plant3


plant 4


all 4



these are some macro shots. trying to get a good shot of sex. the first look female to me. the other 2 i ant tell. what you think?

Nice job sir.... One of the pics i really cant tell, 3 are for sure females but the one without the pistels looks like it may be producing balls up top on the cola....but way to early to tell...AWEsome job dude

day 14 flower.

decided to get rid of the runt. the other where towering over it. started the beans a buddy gave me. i was worried because i gremed them and took a look at day 3, the tap roots where long and yellow, the shells where loose, and i didnt have and damn rockwool cubes. but they bounced right back.

the tube looks different because took the insulation off to investigate a leak.
the room temps 71f light on, 65F lights off.
ppm 1200
PH 5.9
water temp 68f

the tallest plant was 8" at day 1 flower. now there all about 17" i am sure there will be more stretch. i only topped one plant. just kind of experimenting. no LSTing or anything.



plant 1


plant 2


plant 3


propagation tray. i will start clones soon, next few days. need to get the shelf going also.

wondering if i should have a lot more more bud development. seems things are going slow right now. cant remember from last few harvest what they looked like at 20 days, and my pics in past grow where not labeled very well. everything seems good, ph is fine, temps 65f lights off, 72f on. i had some banding happening in the top fan leaves. so i dumped the res and cleaned it. fresh nutes a little hydro gaurd, the banding is dissipating. beside that i dont see what would slow the growth. maybe its just me.

day 20 of flower.


plant 1


plant 2

pics from a few days ago. i will post up to date pic tonight when light go out.

day 23 flower

this shit cant be right. i am in day 26 of flower and no buds forming. i went back through old grows and pics, but unfortunately i did not label very well in the past. i have trouble remembering last week let alone months ago. so i am unsure where i should be at for 26days.

any body have any opinions, or better yet any pics of a plant around 26 days flower?

i did start nutes late. i am now only at 1200ppm. i have also had temp issues. again but this time its cool temps. trying to find a happy medium. its winter here and using outside air to cool room. temps where swinging from lights on 75F to lights off of 65F maybe a little lower.

would be late nutes be the problem?
would the cooler temps at night be the problem?
or
they look fine go smoke a bowl and chill fool!!!

any thoughts?