Worried About My Jars

MsBBB

Active Member
Here I thought that if and once I made it to drying and curing I would be home free. This newbie is keeping an eye on this one. So, if and when I make it to drying and curing I can still screw up everything at the end, frustrating! You have my best hopes and wishes, I am watching to see how it ends. :leaf::leaf::leaf:
 

Cdubya

Well-Known Member
good question psycho, I dealing with the same things so I'd be interested to know if the dank came back for him
 

auntavis

Member
well, they still smell like hay in the jars and it's been 3 weeks today. However, on a good note, I've taken some out here and there to smoke on and that smells great after it's been in a baggie for a day so that tells me that its still drying in the jars. The harshness is better too.
 

SirPsycho

Well-Known Member
well, they still smell like hay in the jars and it's been 3 weeks today. However, on a good note, I've taken some out here and there to smoke on and that smells great after it's been in a baggie for a day so that tells me that its still drying in the jars. The harshness is better too.
maybe it needs a little time outside the jars. put them in a paper bag for a day or even half a day. then put them back in the jars. the buds don't dry in the jars, if you want them to dry at a slow pace, put them in a paper bag. i've been drying mine for a whole month now. taking them out of the jars and putting them back in. when they regain too much moisture that's when i take them out for a bit. for the past 2 weeks i haven't been taking them out as much anymore, just a burp here and there. like i've said before, everyday they keep getting better and better. when i first put them in the jars they smelled like lawn grass .lol let me know how it turns out.
 

auntavis

Member
well, it's been long enough I think. I cut on 1/1/11 (Sat), dried in closet with fan on low til 1/4/11 (Tues) then put in jars. Burped 1 hr next am and evening at 8 pm for 2 hr 1/5/11 (Wed), burped in am for 1 hour on 1/6/11 (thurs)-but thurs pm left open from 8 pm to 2 am. I forgot them! Diidn't burp fri am, did fri day pm for 1 hr. Burped every 12 hr for 1 hr til the next fri, then went to every other for about 3 days then quit all together. I would open the jars and move them around, but that is it. Now today on 2/12/11 Sat) exactly 6 wks from cut it STILL smells like hay. The high is good, but it doesn't last very long at all...maybe 30 mins or so. Its smokes with a little harshness, but burns almost completely white. What did I do wrong? can I get a humidity gauge for a terrarium and use that in my jars? I jarred them and the stems only bent, not snapped...My new seedlings are outta the ground, but I need to improve something in my cure, but what?
 

Total Head

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a trick i use during curing is i don't burp unless i can turn the jar upside down and have the bud stick to the bottom. if it sticks for too long, they are too wet, if it doesn't stick, leave the jar shut because they are too dry to burp. perfection is when it sticks for a second or two and maybe needs a light shake to fall. that is the correct time to burp.
 

auntavis

Member
New update! I just harvested my second crop. A strain of skunk and ufo freebie. I bought those caliber III hygrometers, and man are they amazing! Helps tremendously! No guessing! The skunk smells grassy like the first crop, but the ufo is below 70% and smellin good! I'm hoping to get the smell back in the skunk. Plus I found a link from a thread here with lots of great info. It's not my info, let me be clear and give credit to someone else, but it sure has helped with specifics.

It's a very simple and effective process:

Cut the product, trim it per your preference, but don't dry it until the stems snap. Take it down while the stems still have some flex, but the product feel dry on the outside. This is a perfect opportunity to drop the dry-feeling flowers onto a screen and collect prime-quality kief that would otherwise get lost in the jar.

Jar the product, along with a Caliber III hygrometer. One can be had on Ebay for ~$20. Having tested a number of hygrometers - digital and analog - this model in particular produced consistent, accurate results. Then, watch the readings:

+70% RH - too wet, needs to sit outside the jar to dry for 12-24 hours, depending.

65-70% RH - the product is almost in the cure zone, if you will. It can be slowly brought to optimum RH by opening the lid for 2-4 hours.

60-65% RH - the stems snap, the product feels a bit sticky, and it is curing.

55-60% RH - at this point it can be stored for an extended period without worrying about mold. The product will continue to cure.

Below 55% RH - the RH is too low for the curing process to take place. The product starts to feel brittle. Once you've hit this point, nothing will make it better. Adding moisture won't restart the curing process; it will just make the product wet. If you measure a RH below 55% don't panic. Read below:

Obviously, the product need time to sweat in the jar. As such, accurate readings won't be seen for ~24 hours, assuming the flowers are in the optimal cure zone. If you're curing the product for long-term storage, give the flowers 4-5 days for an accurate reading. If the product is sill very wet, a +70% RH reading will show within hours. If you see the RH rising ~1% per hour, keep a close eye on the product, as it's likely too moist.

HTH,
Simon



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Phase #1: 70%+ RH: This starts out just like any other time you have done it. Once you have harvested your bud and trimmed it to your liking, hang it in a cool dark place. This is where we will part from tradition. Allow it to hang until the buds begin to feel like they are drying (note the temps and rh as this will rarely be the same during subsequent harvests). They will start to lose their "softness" in favor of a slightly crispy texture. We don't want to allow it to dry until the stems snap. THIS IS WRONG! We want the stems to be flexible. Not totally soft, but not snapping, either. If allowed to dry until the stems snap we risk it drying too much and losing an opportunity to take full advantage of the cure window. You see once the bud reaches the 55% RH range, the cure is dead. No amount of moisture added will revive this. If you are a brown bag dryer you can still use this technique, although I no longer do. I feel it is unneccessary at this point in the drying process. Just make sure you do not over dry. Also, this is a perfect time to calibrate your hygrometers with your new calibrating kit. This phase may take anywhere from 2 to 7 days depending on ambient temp, RH and strain, etc. It is important to be right on top of this phase. Sometimes we will notice thinner stemmed buds getting done quicker. It is ok to take these first and put them in the jar. Just screw the cap on very loosely until the bulk of the bud joins it.
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Phase #2: 70% to 65% RH: This is where the numbers game begins to kick in. Once you have reached the crispy bud/flexible stem stage, it is time to jar it up. Now there are a few options here.. Really you can jar it up just like always. Only, fill your jar 3/4 to 4/5 full so you have room to use your hygrometer. You can leave it on the stem, stem free, whatever. I personally prefer it in it's finished state, no stems. You can leave just a few stems intact for the sake of testing stem flexibility. Also, with more stems comes more moisture. This may fit well with your style, but it also may play havoc if mold is present. Once your bud is in the jar drop in the hygrometer and cap it. Keep an eye on your meter for the next hour or so. What we are shooting for in this phase is 70% RH maximum. If you hit 71% or greater, you will have to take the bud out to dry more. If this seems a little tricky here, it is. The cure, even though we are still in the dry phase, has been happening to a small degree since the moment the bud was cut. Basically now we are juggling time with mold prevention. We want to avoid any instance of mold, but we want to get every second of cure time in that we can.

The goal in this phase is to start at a 70% maximum RH and, in a timely and mold free manner, bring the RH down to about 65%. The reason I say "about" is that if there is an issue with mold (i.e. the crop was exposed to heavy mold before and/or during harvest) we may chose to take the RH even lower, like 62%. This won't leave a huge window for curing, but it will keep the bud safe. Ideally, however, 65% will do. Generally you can tell pretty quickly if the bud is still too wet as the hygrometer % will climb pretty quickly (rate: 1% per hour or faster). You will also notice, at this point, that the bud will feel "wetter". That's ok. The reason for this is that while the exposed part of the bud began to dry quicker than the inside during phase one, the inside of the bud and stems retained a good deal of their moisture. Once in the jars (phase two) that moisture can no longer be efficiently evaperated off and moved to a different area, being replaced by dryer air. Once you have determined the RH, which may take up to 24 hours, you can begin burping the jars. This can be done at a rate of one to two hours once or twice a day, depending on initial RH reading. Your room RH, temp, strain, exposure to mold and hygro readings will dictate this for you and wether to go faster or slower. Slower is always better, but precipitating factors, as stated, may trump this.. Also, at the end of this stage is where most commercial bud will hit the open market, if you are lucky. The bud at this stage should have that super sticky icky velvety feel and the 'bag appeal' will be at it's very highest.
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Phase #3: 65% to 60% RH: Your buds are in the jar and RH is 65% or less. Perfect. The object of the game, as stated before, is to slowly release the moisture from the jar over time. Your buds are now in the cure zone. At this point we are looking for a much slower release than phase two and will shift to a short burp once a week. Your buds will deliver a nice smoke at around 60%, so the speed at which this is done (which translates directly to duration of burpage) is entirely up to you. It is at this stage that small stems should snap in two. It is also in this stage that you will meet true stability, or equalization, in RH. What that means is that the amount of moisture in the stems is no longer disproportionate to the buds, and moisture transfer or persperation (sweat) slows dramatically. This also means it will take much longer to get a true reading from your Hygrometer. A true reading at this point might take up to 36 hours, but that's ok.
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So, do you know what your idea of a perfect smoking bud is? If you have followed the phases as you have read them, then this is the stage where you can find out. It may be as specific as a stationary RH value, or even a "window" between different values. Everyone on should know their Ideal smoking range. I prefer mine on a slightly dryer cure, say between 55 to 57%.
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Phase #4: 60% to 55%+ RH: Even though a true cure is far from over, your buds are truly ready to smoke if you wish. They are also ready to face long term storage. As stated before, the cure dies at -55%. It is ok for the cure to be dead if you have reached your desired cure level as later remoisturing can easily bring that bud back into your prefered smoking range. But, you can also continue the cure for long time periods and the trick to this is to stay above the 55% level. Unfortunately even claimed 'air tight' jars will allow bud to continue losing moisture over time. The trick here is to guarantee air tightness. Simon has suggested that he jars in air tight jars and double vacuum bags it as a way to ensure cure integrity. I am less picky. It is a good idea, though not neccessary, to leave a hygro in the jar and check it from time to time. I would start with once a week for the first month then, if everything is stable, once every month after that should suffice.


There ya go.. hope you enjoyed reading it.

peace.
 
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