Heisenberg
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That would be most excellent of you and much appreciated.
Will Liquid Light mess up Reverse?
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Heisenberg
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Since this is turning into one of the typical liquid light/reverse posts i've seen, figure I might as well include the information that's usually found in these threads.
Both products are meant to be used with saturator. Most people assume saturator (formerly penetrator) is a typical wetting agent. A wetting agent helps spread out the water on a leaf, rather than having it bead up and run off. It maximizes the surface area the water is touching, hopefully helping with absorption. It's similar to dish soap or detergent in the sense that it makes water wetter. Dutch masters saturator is suppose to go beyond that by bonding with whatever you mix it with and delivering that element inside the leaf itself. If that is true, then you can't duplicate this by just mixing some dish soap.
Reverse is similar perhaps even identical to the substance used on water mellons and grapes to keep them seedless. It basically blocks the chemicals needed to produce male flowers. It was orginally meant to act as a knockdown and inhibitor for male flowers that have already shown, but it was discovered that it works even better as a preventative. The directions currently on the site say to spray at the first sign of sex... about 10 days into flower, and again 10 days later. In the past the directions have said to spray it on day 1 of flower and again 10 days later. It also says it may be used at any point in the flower period that male flowers start presenting. The results in the field seem to range from mildly effective to 100%. Basically depends on how soon you catch the hermie and how bad the plant is throwing male flowers. If it is a full on hermie and you caught it 4 weeks in, you may find that an application of reverse will slow or stop male flowers for a week or so, and then you need to spray again. Some people spray weekly. If you have a plant that has only showed a few male flowers, you've picked them off and sprayed, you may never see another male flower again. As a preventative, it seems to work like a charm. One thing it will not do is keep male flowers from forming if you have a constant source of stress, like a light leak.
Both products are meant to be used with saturator. Most people assume saturator (formerly penetrator) is a typical wetting agent. A wetting agent helps spread out the water on a leaf, rather than having it bead up and run off. It maximizes the surface area the water is touching, hopefully helping with absorption. It's similar to dish soap or detergent in the sense that it makes water wetter. Dutch masters saturator is suppose to go beyond that by bonding with whatever you mix it with and delivering that element inside the leaf itself. If that is true, then you can't duplicate this by just mixing some dish soap.
Reverse is similar perhaps even identical to the substance used on water mellons and grapes to keep them seedless. It basically blocks the chemicals needed to produce male flowers. It was orginally meant to act as a knockdown and inhibitor for male flowers that have already shown, but it was discovered that it works even better as a preventative. The directions currently on the site say to spray at the first sign of sex... about 10 days into flower, and again 10 days later. In the past the directions have said to spray it on day 1 of flower and again 10 days later. It also says it may be used at any point in the flower period that male flowers start presenting. The results in the field seem to range from mildly effective to 100%. Basically depends on how soon you catch the hermie and how bad the plant is throwing male flowers. If it is a full on hermie and you caught it 4 weeks in, you may find that an application of reverse will slow or stop male flowers for a week or so, and then you need to spray again. Some people spray weekly. If you have a plant that has only showed a few male flowers, you've picked them off and sprayed, you may never see another male flower again. As a preventative, it seems to work like a charm. One thing it will not do is keep male flowers from forming if you have a constant source of stress, like a light leak.
Heisenberg
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Just a quick follow up... I continued my LL spraying (every 3rd dday) with the reverse and so far no new male flowers. Apparently they are ok to use in conjunction.
barefoot and stoned
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How much does this stuff usually cost?
Heisenberg
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I've seen it from $12-25. My particular bottle was $16.
Final report, using liquid light in conjunction with reverse didn't hurt things at all. In the end, even after the initial onset of pollen sacks, we ended up finding 2 seeds in 8.6oz.