Why???

I find it very strange that the same people who were calling the republicrats brainwashed and gullible, are now blindly following Obama like he is some kind of savior. I hated what Bush was doing to this country, he infringed on our rights, bailed out the "too big to fail" companies, raised our deficit, and was overall, a dumbass. I get it, the republicrats are idiots. But how can you people not see that the demoncats are no different? Don't you see that many of the things Bush did, Obama is following suit? The bailout, which Bush started, stating that to fix the free market system, he needs to go against the free market system. WTF is that, that is probably one of the most idiotic comments I have heard. But when Obama said he was going to save this country, one of the first things he did was give another $800 billion + to the idiots that caused this mess. Is that really change?
It just shocks me to see that so many will not call this man out when he is in the wrong. You may be a republicrat or demoncat, but to follow these people on a purely partisan fashion is sickening. People need to understand that most, if not all politicians are corrupt and untruthful. And to act like Obama can do nothing wrong is just ignorant. It's fine to agree with people on certain issues, fundamental issues that you care about, but to defend a person when they are clearly in the wrong just because they fly your flag, makes no sense.

I have no idea what you're basing this on but I have seen plenty of criticism of Obama from the left.

FlyLikeAnEagle said:

I have no idea what you're basing this on but I have seen plenty of criticism of Obama from the left.

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I was referring to the people on this site. Most care more about what political side someone is on, rather then what their actions are.

It seems no matter what evidence is presented, they are conspiracies, or lies, when it is obviously the truth. And this can be said about both sides.

What 'other 800 billion' are you referring to? Certainly wasn't TARP, as it has yet to hit 400 billion in expenditures, which doesn't even take into account the equity that was received in return. True costs were maybe, maybe 100 billion.

conservatives have been spewing hate and lies about president obama since before he won the election. what is it going to take for president obama to make conservative losers happy?

lobotomized confederate flag waving rednecks have been spewing hate and lies about president obama since before he won the election. what is it going to take for president obama to make these losers happy????????

Have you seen the deficit? Obama's stimulus package was passed at around $800 billion, and its funny that most of it is set to be spent in 2010 and 2012, election years. I thought he said if it wasn't passed America would be on the brink of destruction, the unemployment rate wouldn't exceed 8%. Well it passed, and how are we doing any better? I guess to fix the deficit, we need to add to it first, right? I guess that makes sense.

Jack*Herrer420 said:

Have you seen the deficit? Obama's stimulus package was passed at around $800 billion, and its funny that most of it is set to be spent in 2010 and 2012, election years. I thought he said if it wasn't passed America would be on the brink of destruction, the unemployment rate wouldn't exceed 8%. Well it passed, and how are we doing any better? I guess to fix the deficit, we need to add to it first, right? I guess that makes sense.

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Red herring, red herring, red herring. You said '$800 billion + to the idiots that caused this mess,' and now you're talking about the ARRA, unemployment and the deficit.

And the very first point of order should be addressing the GDP deficit, not the budgetary deficit.

I was making a point that everything this man touches raises the deficit. If you thought GWB sucked a fat one, like I did, then how can you support a man who has tripled that since being in office for less than a year? He's off to a great start.

Sorry, I thought you meant what you actually said. Net debt to GDP isn't unsustainable in the short term, and it has been higher in the past. And those silly TBTF companies you referenced, well their undoings threatened our and the rest of the Western world's economic viability. Again, suring up the GDP deficit via fiscal and monetary stimulus is the best available option. Be fixated on the right deficit - GDP.

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Sorry, I thought you meant what you actually said. Net debt to GDP isn't unsustainable in the short term, and it has been higher in the past. And those silly TBTF companies you referenced, well their undoings threatened our and the rest of the Western world's economic viability. Again, suring up the GDP deficit via fiscal and monetary stimulus is the best available option. Be fixated on the right deficit - GDP.

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When has the deficit been higher, I would like to know? Normally, when a company isn't doing what it is supposed to to keep its business afloat, they fail. They are obviously doing something wrong, otherwise they wouldn't be in that situation in the first place. To give them money, what are they going to change, how are they going to improve? They have no incentive when they know if something goes wrong, the government will bail them out. I'm surprised you thought the bailout was necassary, as even most Obama supporters have admitted it was the wrong thing to do. You don't seem to get it, the deficit is going up, up, up, and you still support this man as if hes here to save the world. What about cap and trade? You don't think that is going to put even more pressure on Americans barely getting by as it is?

cannabis! said:

lobotomized confederate flag waving rednecks have been spewing hate and lies about president obama since before he won the election. what is it going to take for president obama to make these losers happy????????

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These are the people I am talking about when I created this thread. They are the one's spewing hate and ignorance. Go ahead, troll it up, it's not like your making yourself look like an idiot or anything.

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we get it. youre another obnoxious fox news humping bigot and you dont like obama becuase he is black.

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Net debt to GDP was much higher in 40's. Honestly, I couldn't care less what most of [insert group that has no formal training in economics] thinks. 'Normally' doesn't apply. Because 'normally' when companies go under, they're not transnational corporations that pose a systemic risk to the global financial sector. I didn't support TARP; I did, however, support putting their asses in receivership, i.e., temporary nationalization.

I hated Bush, and voted for Obama. I dislike a lot of what Obama is doing, BUT, i DONT REGRET voting for him. We had to vote for him in 08 cause there were only 2 real choices, Obama or Mccain. Mccain picked a total NUTJOB for his running mate, and he is one foot in the grave, making his choice of running mate very important. AND, the republicans were bordering on tyranny for a while there, a "regime change" was necessary.
I doubt ANY president will ever truly be "for the people"

Jack*Herrer420 said:

These are the people I am talking about when I created this thread. They are the one's spewing hate and ignorance. Go ahead, troll it up, it's not like your making yourself look like an idiot or anything.

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the only people spewing hate are the ignorant cousin marrying lynch mob loving uneducated reality denying hypocrites.

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Net debt to GDP was much higher in 40's. Honestly, I couldn't care less what most of [insert group that has no formal training in economics] thinks. 'Normally' doesn't apply. Because 'normally' when companies goes under, they're not transnational corporations that pose a systemic risk to the global financial sector. I didn't support TARP; I did, however, support putting their asses in receivership, i.e., temporary nationalization.

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And that wasn't because of ww2? What excuse do we have today? I said "normally" because that's the way it used to be before this mess. You don't think there would have been businesses to take their spot, or how about filing for bankruptcy? They could have reorganized and come out better, but I guess some businesses are just too big to fail, right? I don't believe the government has any right to nationalize anything, and I believe the founding fathers believed the same. Why would you want to give the government control over something it has no business being in? What's going to stop them from nationalizing the next thing, or the next? Americans need to put their foot down and let the government kknow we don't want them in private affairs, and we don't want to be held responsible for mistakes of the too big to fail idiots.

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I hated Bush, and voted for Obama. I dislike a lot of what Obama is doing, BUT, i DONT REGRET voting for him. We had to vote for him in 08 cause there were only 2 real choices, Obama or Mccain. Mccain picked a total NUTJOB for his running mate, and he is one foot in the grave, making his choice of running mate very important. AND, the republicans were bordering on tyranny for a while there, a "regime change" was necessary.
I doubt ANY president will ever truly be "for the people"

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I can respect that response. I understand your reasons for disliking Bush, and I can see why you voted for Obama. McCain was another Bush, and it was inevitable that we would get a democratic president. I believe most Americans shared your views, and that is why we have Obama as president, but honestly, I don't think Obama is doing any better of a job. I don't believe he is doing anything that will actually fix the mess we are in, and I believe he has a very weak foreign policy. It sucks that as Americans the only choices we have for leadership are idiots and nutjobs.

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I can respect that response. I understand your reasons for disliking Bush, and I can see why you voted for Obama. McCain was another Bush, and it was inevitable that we would get a democratic president. I believe most Americans shared your views, and that is why we have Obama as president, but honestly, I don't think Obama is doing any better of a job. I don't believe he is doing anything that will actually fix the mess we are in, and I believe he has a very weak foreign policy. It sucks that as Americans the only choices we have for leadership are idiots and nutjobs.

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bush set the record for worst president ever. you cant compare bushs 8 years of miserable failures to president obamas first year when he is still not even finished cleaning up bushs mess.