Why Must People Who Try To Dispute Evolution Use God As An Argument?

krustofskie

krustofskie

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Evolution and how life was formed on this earth does not bring into question wether or not there is a God. But it does make most religions look stupid. I am so tierd of religious types time and time again using poor arguments about the small chances of the random events that could have led to life and evolution ever happening, even though by saying there is such small chances they are admiting there is a chance it happend. Once you take the narrow views of your religion out of the equation God can still fit in nicely with evolution.

What say ye all
 
tebor

tebor

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Puritans don't believe in evolution.
many Biblical scholars, especially Orthodox do believe in evolution
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Evolution doesn't make most relegion look stupid. People do.
Many religous types don't accept evolution for the same reason many evolutionists won't accept the chance of a God.
They fancy themselves superior and feel smug by trying to make the other look bad.
 
krustofskie

krustofskie

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tebor said:
Puritans don't believe in evolution.
many Biblical scholars, especially Orthodox do believe in evolution
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Evolution doesn't make most relegion look stupid. People do.
Many religous types don't accept evolution for the same reason many evolutionists won't accept the chance of a God.
They fancy themselves superior and feel smug by trying to make the other look bad.
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But evolution contradicts what most religions teach us, Adam and Eve????? Its the basses of the religions to control us with lies, thats why I say evolution makes the religions look stupid.

And your right, those evolutionists who wont accept a chance of god are just as close minded as the religions not accepting the chance of evolution.

I personally don't believe there is a God, but I am open to the concept and accept there could be and this would still fit in with evolution, but evolution can not fit in with the sriptures the religions base their faith on.

Until we do have all the answers we can only hedge our bets with the whats most likely and the information we have to date.
 
bikeskill

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I agree, In my life time i have seen a lot of evidence that evolution is real, and NO evidence that "god" is real...I believe that god and religion is used as a scapegoat for when people don't understand something about how we came to be..they can't settle with we don't comprehend and we may never.......god is the easy way out
 
DEVO

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The whole subject is very interesting i find..... BUT i have also found that trying to discuss this with someone who is not of the same page thinker or at least similar, (open mind helps to) is the same as arguing with a 5 year old you will not win "no matter what you say or prove/disprove"
dont get me wrong i am a fan of heracy as the religious folks call it (independent/free thinking as the Normal folks call it)
i like the way you think krustofskie + rep for you
 
Brazko

Brazko

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bikeskill said:
I agree, In my life time i have seen a lot of evidence that evolution is real, and NO evidence that "god" is real...I believe that god and religion is used as a scapegoat for when people don't understand something about how we came to be..they can't settle with we don't comprehend and we may never.......god is the easy way out
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If you keep Looking up for the Space God, You will never find evidence... I don't know why people use God to dispute Evolution, as the Two does not contradict with each Other.. The same people that dispute Space God are the Same as the People who Claim it.. Religion and God is as much as a Scapegoat for those who rely on Science to explain the world around them.. Science is a scapegoat for people who give up on thinking and lay captive to whatever their Science decides to unfold to them... Creative thinking allowed for the Theory of Relativity, E-=Mc2, Evolution, manipulation of electricty, etc. etc.. Science was/is the process of documenting and testing what was conceived by the creative thought gained by Observance.. as So it is with Religion, but instead it is not written, but experienced over and over again until a Formulation of understanding is Perceived..

DEVO said:
The whole subject is very interesting i find..... BUT i have also found that trying to discuss this with someone who is not of the same page thinker or at least similar, (open mind helps to) is the same as arguing with a 5 year old you will not win "no matter what you say or prove/disprove"
dont get me wrong i am a fan of heracy as the religious folks call it (independent/free thinking as the Normal folks call it)
i like the way you think krustofskie + rep for you
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totally Agree with your Assessment, I like the way KrusTo thinks too....
 
fish601

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krustofskie said:
Evolution and how life was formed on this earth does not bring into question wether or not there is a God. But it does make most religions look stupid.
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If you really dig into all the fossil evidence, you’ll
see there are no proven links that support
the claim that evolution occurred from one species to another. Modern textbooks have “filled in the blanks”
with assumptions, not facts. We have millions of fossils
in our museums today, and not one of them prove that there was ever a species-to-species transition.

http://www.evidenceforhope.com/Evolution%20versus%20Creation.html

 
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Nocturn3

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fish601 said:
If you really dig into all the fossil evidence, you’ll
see there are no proven links that support
the claim that evolution occurred from one species to another. Modern textbooks have “filled in the blanks”
with assumptions, not facts. We have millions of fossils
in our museums today, and not one of them prove that there was ever a species-to-species transition.http://www.evidenceforhope.com/Evolution%20versus%20Creation.html
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If you really dig into Fish's post history, you'll see that he has repeatedly ignored the overwhelming amount of evidence that proves evolution. His lack of understanding has lead him to "fill in the blanks" with biased assumptions, whilst ignoring the documented facts.
We have millions of fossils in our museums today, and none of them are at odds with evolutionary theory. There are numerous documented "transitional fossils" (link), and a mountain of other evidence (genetics etc.).

As for you "really digging into the fossil record", that is a fucking joke. You have already proven that you simply skim articles looking for quotes that you can use. You don't even try to understand this stuff.

 
SmokerOfLightning

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Finally, something on this site I feel I can talk about intelligently. I creep forums and absorb and learn about growing but I think I can help a bit here. I am a budding biblical scholar and I study theology (mostly catholic some protestant) and also philosophy (epistemology, ethics, some metaphysics). Also dont take me for some crazy bible thumper you see on tv, I smoke waayyy to much weed, take way to many mushrooms to have my mind and opinions so brittle with fundamentalism.

I don't see (and neither does ANYONE with half an ounce of intelligence {or scriptural educatin}) any problem with the idea of evolution. in no way does it justify the existence of any god or destroy the possibliy for one.

Seperate the ideas of LITERALIST christians from the ideas of the main body of christianity (or other religions) Even catholics, straight up, rosary carrying catholics (are not supposed to) believe in a literal reading of genesis (adam and eve). scholars are taught today to read it as metaphor and allegory, a story that uses one thing to explain a truth that is difficult (or impossible) to understand when stated plainly. keep in mind too who the bible (the old testament anyway) was written for, very illiterate, superstitious, dumb jews (no hard feelings, they were jews though).

basically what im trying to say is that serious and laid back bible scholars and theologians arent as retarded as jerry falwell, jack van impe and others.. and are actually open minded people searching for true meaning of scripture and truth in general about divinity.
 
Brazko

Brazko

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SmokerOfLightning said:
Finally, something on this site I feel I can talk about intelligently. I creep forums and absorb and learn about growing but I think I can help a bit here. I am a budding biblical scholar and I study theology (mostly catholic some protestant) and also philosophy (epistemology, ethics, some metaphysics). Also dont take me for some crazy bible thumper you see on tv, I smoke waayyy to much weed, take way to many mushrooms to have my mind and opinions so brittle with fundamentalism.

I don't see (and neither does ANYONE with half an ounce of intelligence {or scriptural educatin}) any problem with the idea of evolution. in no way does it justify the existence of any god or destroy the possibliy for one.

Seperate the ideas of LITERALIST christians from the ideas of the main body of christianity (or other religions) Even catholics, straight up, rosary carrying catholics (are not supposed to) believe in a literal reading of genesis (adam and eve). scholars are taught today to read it as metaphor and allegory, a story that uses one thing to explain a truth that is difficult (or impossible) to understand when stated plainly. keep in mind too who the bible (the old testament anyway) was written for, very illiterate, superstitious, dumb jews (no hard feelings, they were jews though).

basically what im trying to say is that serious and laid back bible scholars and theologians arent as retarded as jerry falwell, jack van impe and others.. and are actually open minded people searching for true meaning of scripture and truth in general about divinity.
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Great Post Man!! I applaude you for being able to patiently explain that plainly and clearly.. I think intelligent discussions may start brewing in the near Future.. Seems like we are starting to get a few science based and religious based backgrounds of people who actually have some common sense/open minded to listening/learning.. ++ rep for making it Sound so eaZy to be said, I have problems giving away jewels, especially when I think they are not deserving @ the moment....++rep, U need some

:peace:
 
krustofskie

krustofskie

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SmokerOfLightning said:
Finally, something on this site I feel I can talk about intelligently. I creep forums and absorb and learn about growing but I think I can help a bit here. I am a budding biblical scholar and I study theology (mostly catholic some protestant) and also philosophy (epistemology, ethics, some metaphysics). Also dont take me for some crazy bible thumper you see on tv, I smoke waayyy to much weed, take way to many mushrooms to have my mind and opinions so brittle with fundamentalism.

I don't see (and neither does ANYONE with half an ounce of intelligence {or scriptural educatin}) any problem with the idea of evolution. in no way does it justify the existence of any god or destroy the possibliy for one.

Seperate the ideas of LITERALIST christians from the ideas of the main body of christianity (or other religions) Even catholics, straight up, rosary carrying catholics (are not supposed to) believe in a literal reading of genesis (adam and eve). scholars are taught today to read it as metaphor and allegory, a story that uses one thing to explain a truth that is difficult (or impossible) to understand when stated plainly. keep in mind too who the bible (the old testament anyway) was written for, very illiterate, superstitious, dumb jews (no hard feelings, they were jews though).

basically what im trying to say is that serious and laid back bible scholars and theologians arent as retarded as jerry falwell, jack van impe and others.. and are actually open minded people searching for true meaning of scripture and truth in general about divinity.
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Very well thought out and logical responce +rep

If only this way of thinking could be passed onto the flock's by those in power of the faiths. Just seems the message doesn't get through to most

Its a lot worse in less developed countries. My wife is from Ghana and she is a true believer, when I try to talk to her about evolution she tells me to be quite and not blasphem as to contradtict the bible is against God. Now she is a well educated woman who even knows that the bible was written by man, but because of the type of brainwashing received from her church while growing up she will not listen or waver. I feel that the church wishes this type of ignorance to continue as to keep control over the flock.

My wife just accepts that I must be a Pagen who knows no better, even though I was bought up Catholic.
 
Iron Lion Zion

Iron Lion Zion

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krustofskie said:
But evolution contradicts what most religions teach us, Adam and Eve????? Its the basses of the religions to control us with lies, thats why I say evolution makes the religions look stupid.

And your right, those evolutionists who wont accept a chance of god are just as close minded as the religions not accepting the chance of evolution.

I personally don't believe there is a God, but I am open to the concept and accept there could be and this would still fit in with evolution, but evolution can not fit in with the sriptures the religions base their faith on.

Until we do have all the answers we can only hedge our bets with the whats most likely and the information we have to date.
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You are looking at the Bible the wrong way, as do some extreme Christian sects. You are looking at the Bible as a history book, that also has people's real life experiences and how they listened to and followed God.

Most Christian denominations do not take the Bible literally. It should not be seen as a history book, but rather a "How To" guide (how to get into heaven, how to treat others, how God loves us, etc etc.) For example, when you look at the creation story, you are not supposed to look into it as "God literally did, this, this, and this in seven days." Instead it is supposed to be seen as "This is how powerful God is - this what he is capable of - he made us to try and be like him - we are his 'children.'

I honestly could not tell you my own personal beliefs. I definitely do believe in God, but I just think that most Christian religions are misguided - I do not think a being who created everything would care about our silly petitions/prayers to him. Rather, I think he would like us to all try and be as happy as possible, while simultaneously helping others do the same - treating them with the respect and dignity they deserve.

I have grown up in a pretty religious household and attended multiple Catholic institutions, so I have learned my fair share about my own religion and others. Despite this, I am just as unsure as anyone else.
 
Mcgician

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krustofskie said:
Evolution and how life was formed on this earth does not bring into question wether or not there is a God. God can still fit in nicely with evolution.

What say ye all
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Agreed. I feel sorry for the people that believe that the two are incompatible. It makes no difference to me either way. I will say this though, man is an incredibly arrogant species sometimes, and the thought that ANYONE knows the definitive answers to all these questions I will always roll eyes at.
 
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All DNA is at least 99% the same, if evolution really took place then there is no way humans are the only thing as unique as we are. Screw the monkey comparisons, basic anatomy and physiology explain why their behvior is so similar. Structure dictates function, so if a monkey has similar limbs and features as a human, then those limbs will have similar uses for a monkey as well.
 
Green Cross

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krustofskie said:
Evolution and how life was formed on this earth does not bring into question wether or not there is a God. But it does make most religions look stupid. I am so tierd of religious types time and time again using poor arguments about the small chances of the random events that could have led to life and evolution ever happening, even though by saying there is such small chances they are admiting there is a chance it happend. Once you take the narrow views of your religion out of the equation God can still fit in nicely with evolution.

What say ye all
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It's not the religious people starting shit on this board; trying to force our beliefs down your throat, it's quite the opposite. :mrgreen:

It's the evolutionists who love to hear themselves talk.
 
litteringand...

litteringand...

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Green Cross said:
It's not the religious people starting shit on this board; trying to force our beliefs down your throat, it's quite the opposite. :mrgreen:

It's the evolutionists who love to hear themselves talk.
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Maybe on this board that is true MAYBE. However seeing as over 20% of the US population now wants nothing to do with religon,however there were no athiest missionaries recruiting them. They also certainly don't have a political lobby. Can we say the same about religous sects?
here is 29 exhibits of evidence for evolution happening. Still waiting on that one shred of evidence that it didn't.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/
 
Iron Lion Zion

Iron Lion Zion

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litteringand... said:
Maybe on this board that is true MAYBE. However seeing as over 20% of the US population now wants nothing to do with religon,however there were no athiest missionaries recruiting them. They also certainly don't have a political lobby. Can we say the same about religous sects?
here is 29 exhibits of evidence for evolution happening. Still waiting on that one shred of evidence that it didn't.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/
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You don't need experiments/studies to prove that evolution exists... Evolution also has nothing to do with religion/God.
 
Mcgician

Mcgician

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NewDad09 said:
All DNA is at least 99% the same, if evolution really took place then there is no way humans are the only thing as unique as we are. Screw the monkey comparisons, basic anatomy and physiology explain why their behvior is so similar. Structure dictates function, so if a monkey has similar limbs and features as a human, then those limbs will have similar uses for a monkey as well.
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blah, blah, blah...........more conjecture. This is precisely what this thread is about- incomplete formulations, speculations, and human guesswork! None of what you said above is beyond dispute. Try again. :roll:
 
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