Why does my bud have little seeds in it?

Inkslinger118 said:

People are trying to help you out. But you have been very vague. Are there seeds in the bud. Well some how it got pollenated. Or you messed with the lighting and you have accidentally created a hermie. What we are asking is are they seeds or are they calyxes. A calyx is what the seed would be in if your female had dirty naughty time with a male. See?!?!?!

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Thank you inkslinger. I can already tell you are going to be easier to deal with. I believe what I am seeing are little seeds (nowhere near the size of normal seeds) that are inside the calyxes. I thought they were calyxes because they are dried up and somewhat in the shape of a calyx, but they also appear to be dark and hard like seeds. I think I may have some old pollen hanging around in my flowering room that's creating problems for me. A while back i made seeds in that same room and I vacuumed and thought I cleaned up well, but maybe something got by me. So that could be the problem.

What are you referring to with the lights?

THANKS!
NUMCHUCK

numchuckbitch said:

Thank you inkslinger. I can already tell you are going to be easier to deal with. I believe what I am seeing are little seeds (nowhere near the size of normal seeds) that are inside the calyxes. I thought they were calyxes because they are dried up and somewhat in the shape of a calyx, but they also appear to be dark and hard like seeds. I think I may have some old pollen hanging around in my flowering room that's creating problems for me. A while back i made seeds in that same room and I vacuumed and thought I cleaned up well, but maybe something got by me. So that could be the problem.

What are you referring to with the lights?

THANKS!
NUMCHUCK

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Well I had a female start to turn on me when we had a bunch of storms throughout a couple of weeks. The power went out numerous times for a decent amount of time to screw up her time clock and she went in to a change. They are a touchy plant. But if you can put a pic up so the thread can see. But you may be right on the pollen who knows. There are always numerous variables to look for. And were you able to pull out what looked and felt like a seed?

Here you can kind of see what the seeds look like. They are about the size of a tip of a pen.

Yeah those do look like seeds. When you say it could be the old pollen it raises an eyebrow. Maybe it is the old pollen tryin to impregnate your girl and comin out with like bad blank seeds or somethin.
Or maybe it wasn't harvested in time? Here's somethin I found after readin your calyx assumption.

Which reminds me, once I smoked some bud that had small itty bitty seed shells in it.
They were white, but about the size of a pen tip. The buds were filled with it. I have no idea what it was, havent seen it again.
But they did look like the leaf type coating around a seed. But there were no seeds in the bud. Maybe it was harvested too early. IDK, but thats my extra input lol

numchuckbitch said:

Here you can kind of see what the seeds look like. They are about the size of a tip of a pen.

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Yeah looks like your plants had some BOW Chica WOW WOW time. And made little bastard kids you didn't want. WHORES I tell you WHORES all women. LOL Kidding. Did you remove any males? And yes I was just joking ladies no need for hate mail.

numchuckbitch said:

Hey moash what's your role in this community? You obviously aren't here to help fix problems. So then what do you do?

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Dude, You have a three page thread on a hermied plant. You have been told several times what it is. If you want more info buy a book and read up on "how not to do it again". And don't start baggin on guy's tryin to help you. Cuz if you get a rep nobody will help when you really need it.

ok well, diff plants have differant seed size, some just come that small. the fact that they are small is usually a sign they didnt have enough time to mature, but then they should be light green to whitish. if you really really wanna know, try and sprout them.

as to the headaches, where did you get the seeds from, low potency combined with headaches can come from industrial hemp plants. (although that should provide ZERO potency, unless you had an autoflower crossbreed that either was reinforced with the hemp strain, or that was the dominate trait carried from its auto parents)

smokin seeds will also give you headaches.

if your getting no trichombs, you could have a severe fert problem.

do you have the right ph, (soil AND water?)??
enough light?
using a decent fert, not some maricle growss shit??
what kind of soil??
are you flushing before harvest??
taking at least 4 days to dry (7 is better)
and please confirm you are flowering these plants for at least 6-8 weeks (and some strains take longer, especially sativas, which would have longer narrower leaves than an indica)

pwizzle said:

Which reminds me, once I smoked some bud that had small itty bitty seed shells in it.
They were white, but about the size of a pen tip. The buds were filled with it. I have no idea what it was, havent seen it again.
But they did look like the leaf type coating around a seed. But there were no seeds in the bud. Maybe it was harvested too early. IDK, but thats my extra input lol

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as to you, those are immature seeds, either a bud that got pollinated a week or so before harvest. or sometimes if a plant goes herm and pollinates a crop, they will cut it as is to keep the seeds from getting any larger and reducing bud desirability.

Thank you for the responses everyone. Even the angrier one. It's nice to know people still have pulses in this time of economic uncertainty. Now, in response to pwizzle, nice diagram. I really like how descriptive that is as far as time periods involved in harvesting. I think i've been harvesting at about the right time. I've been using my mircoscope to check the trichs and for the most part they are milky with some ambering. I read in the grow bible that too much ambering means degradation of thc levels, so I do keep that in mind when choosing a chop date.

I'm getting this "read a book" message a lot, which I've done a little bit of. Mainly I've read the GrowFaq and learned through experiece. I'm still learning how to add the right solution of nutrients in order to get proper results. For NOWitall, I have been ph'ing the water before adding it to the pots, but i always feel like i'm too impatient and the levels change after they are in the pots. What is the best way to PH your water? I add drops first, but they usually only change the value a little (6.50 to 6.54) so i keep going until I sometimes give it a little much and it goes over 6.80. And then I'm frustrated and don't want to attempt to bring it back down because then I know I'll just be going back and forth.

Right now i'm using foxfarm happy frog soil in combination with a t5 light for vegging and a 400watt hps for flowering. The 400watt is about 8 inches or less from the tops of the plants, but this cannot be changed. I usually hit the plants with this product called "bushmaster" which stops vertical growth early in flowering, but I never hit it as hard as I should and they continue growth for a few days.

For ferts I'm using foxfarm grow big and tiger bloom. I always think this is my main problem though. I've heard you should feed and the water two times and then feed again. So if i feed on a monday, water on wednesday, then water on friday, i should re-feed about sunday right? Or maybe just make it simple and feed on monday again? I've been trying to push these girls and feed them when I think is the right time (which is sometimes two times in a row, with a day of no watering in between). I have this schedule I found somewhere that shows the ppms you should feed your plants at different stages in their lives:

Seedlings 100 to 250
Early Vegging 300 to 400
Full Vegetation 450 to 700
Early Blooming 750 to 950
Full Mature Blooms 1000 to 1600

This is a helpful list and all, but I just don't know how often to hit my girls with nutes to get them pretty as the bud I see in the clubs. That's where I want to ultimately get myself. And I know I can't get there with seedy bud.

Where do you think I should make changes? Or what sort of Ideas did you have when reading this?

Thank you for the help everyone,
seriously, even the angry ones, they
help me realize I'm not smooth sailing
and that I need to make changes,

Numchuck

NOWitall said:

ok well, diff plants have differant seed size, some just come that small. the fact that they are small is usually a sign they didnt have enough time to mature, but then they should be light green to whitish. if you really really wanna know, try and sprout them.

as to the headaches, where did you get the seeds from, low potency combined with headaches can come from industrial hemp plants. (although that should provide ZERO potency, unless you had an autoflower crossbreed that either was reinforced with the hemp strain, or that was the dominate trait carried from its auto parents)

smokin seeds will also give you headaches.

if your getting no trichombs, you could have a severe fert problem.

do you have the right ph, (soil AND water?)??
enough light?
using a decent fert, not some maricle growss shit??
what kind of soil??
are you flushing before harvest??
taking at least 4 days to dry (7 is better)
and please confirm you are flowering these plants for at least 6-8 weeks (and some strains take longer, especially sativas, which would have longer narrower leaves than an indica)





as to you, those are immature seeds, either a bud that got pollinated a week or so before harvest. or sometimes if a plant goes herm and pollinates a crop, they will cut it as is to keep the seeds from getting any larger and reducing bud desirability.

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I forgot to add, they always get atleast 8 weeks and then I start looking through my scope. And I flush at the end, but I also continue to add mad farmers mother of all blooms to plump the buds a little more.

If I'm not getting trichs of the leaves around bud sites that means too much nutes? Or too little?

Should this kola be bigger? This thing is full of little bitch seeds and I'm wondering how much bud production was taken from the making of these seeds.

numchuckbitch said:

Should this kola be bigger? This thing is full of little bitch seeds and I'm wondering how much bud production was taken from the making of these seeds.

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They will get bigger with experience. I am growing hydroponically. I produces pretty well but I want to switch to soil sometime. My first few grows I didn't produce very much but my 2nd and then on have been better. You learn to know what to look for. Like how tap water, distilled and well water effect them. What strains worked well with what combos of nutes and additives. And read, read, read. Buy books. I have a couple from Jorge Cervantez one of the Gurus of Growing. And a couple others about hydro grows. And you lost where that seed wouldn't have been. Calyxes on the bud are what the seeds grow inside of when the female gets pollenated. Not alot the seed weighs more than what you may have lost. And NOWitall said it best that plants do have different size seeds. I got some power skunk that are real small but they produced ok.

I think I may have those! I got some seeds that are super small and black. They were a freebie from some seed bank. But yes I know reading is my solution, I've just always gone around it. But now it's time I sit down and read the grow bible and learn some more about growing. Thank you inkslinger!

numchuck

numchuckbitch said:

I think I may have those! I got some seeds that are super small and black. They were a freebie from some seed bank. But yes I know reading is my solution, I've just always gone around it. But now it's time I sit down and read the grow bible and learn some more about growing. Thank you inkslinger!

numchuck

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My pleasure. So many people helped me out when I was looking into this for my father and I. Feels good to help someone else out.

i been having the same problem with my stuff. the weird thing is i cannot find any pollen sacks anywhere. i did read on a site though that any female plant after ripening can start to produce seeds. the strain is chernobyl. i've had the mother for over a year and grew her from seed. it doesnt come in feminized. i let them go 9 weeks cause they turn real pretty shades or purple. might just have to harvest at 7-8 and flush sooner.

i know for sure they're little seeds. i've looked dozens of times under a microscope and had friends also look many of whom are quite experienced. they're not trichomes. they are right inside the catlyx where the hair grows out. the ones i see are black but i have seen white ones before. they're extremely small like a fraction the size of a normal seed. probably almost microscopic. they are not mites or mite eggs. i have no mites anywhere not even a sign of them. i do see fungus gnats around here and there but i know it's nothign to do with them because once in a great while i'll find one stuck and dead in the crystals usually with a couple legs torn off. i've scoped the area good for verification and even got 2nd and more opinions.

sucks cause i really like letting my stuff go for 9 weeks like the company says to but i guess it's still great at even week 7. just not as ripe or colorful. i've used that reverse spray before on another strain that hermied probably from being a feminized seed and i didnt think it worked very good. still had small white seeds all over. also even though i had a couple free fem seeds hermy, the pollen i dont think was the reason for my chernobyls throwing out the little seeds cause they also did it when i didnt have any hermy feminized seeds. i really cant say for sure but im guessing either over ripening like i read before, stress, or bad genetics. dont really think mine is stress though cause my rooms are fully controlled. temps are 85. humidity is about 30. co2 is 1400ppms. plants are always healthy looking.