Why do some buds look like this?

Blue brother

Blue brother

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Farmer's Hat said:
I grow hundreds of plants, and create lots of hybrids every year. Definitely genetics.
Light has nothing to do with it.

Calyx to leaf ratio
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The op Stated that these were two different strains so obviously genetics has something to do with it. But to say categorically that light has nothing to do with differing bud formation is simply untrue.

I'm currently flowering a plant under just hps. In ten weeks the next plant will be finished which will have been grown under hps and Mv. I can allready tell you that the first plant which will be finished in 3 weeks, will look more rounded and compact compared to the plant flowered under the mv which will look more spikey and have a looser formation of calyx (and a hell of a lot more trichomes). Both plants are from the same mother.

I'm prepared to accept its a combination of both environment and genetics. But saying that light has nothing to do with it is ridiculous.
 
GreenStick85

GreenStick85

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You ought to check out what Dr. grinspoon buds look like. They look like Bells or a teardrop bud and they grow oddly like a plant you might see in your grandmas garden. The plant structure is spindly, not like the average trees that grow out and whatnot, I could almost compare it to Wisteria or another plant that seems to grow these magenta pink colored flowers and the stem is really thin. definitely not a super high yielding plant but hearing it's a 100 percent sativa, there is an interesting structure of the plant as a whole.
 
GreenStick85

GreenStick85

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innerG said:
It's all in how they were handled after harvest
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True but at the same time bud structures depend on plant traits and genetics. Buds like he is talking about is how dense does a bud get when some are really see through and wispy. Seen a myriad of all shapes, again manicuring has its perks of the outcome but the OP wants more clarification on why this happens.
 
Andrew2112

Andrew2112

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The top looks similar to what I grow, which is only organic soil. The calyxes have always been defined no matter what strain I have grown. The bottom picture looks like the hydro crap I used to get from dispensaries.
 
innerG

innerG

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GreenStick85 said:
True but at the same time bud structures depend on plant traits and genetics. Buds like he is talking about is how dense does a bud get when some are really see through and wispy. Seen a myriad of all shapes, again manicuring has its perks of the outcome but the OP wants more clarification on why this happens.
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Thats doesn't really seem to be what the OP is about.

All pics in the OP are dense nugs. The top ones have more distinct calyxes because they have been kept fluffy and not compressed or smashed.

They are not wispy Thai sativas, the top ones actually look like the opposite. The very top one looks pure indica to me
 
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EverythingsHazy

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IDK, if you take the buds in the top two pics and just cram them together, you end up with tiny flattened pieces that look like they did before, just flat. The bottom pics keep their bud shape, and are still solid throughout. If that's really the case (it being caused by them being crammed) the original buds would have to be huge to keep any size when compressed. I still think the calyxes would be distinguishable, and able to be picked off individually with tweezers, if you just flattened one of the top two buds.
 
GreenStick85

GreenStick85

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innerG said:
Thats doesn't really seem to be what the OP is about.

All pics in the OP are dense nugs. The top ones have more distinct calyxes because they have been kept fluffy and not compressed or smashed.

They are not wispy Thai sativas, the top ones actually look like the opposite. The very top one looks pure indica to me
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So how would you classify a hybrid? The difference is hard to figure that out. Some strains grow really thready and don't bunch up like some nugs. If you ask me it's relative.
 
innerG

innerG

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GreenStick85 said:
So how would you classify a hybrid? The difference is hard to figure that out. Some strains grow really thready and don't bunch up like some nugs. If you ask me it's relative.
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I'd say a hybrid can look like an indica, sativa or anything in-between.

When I see fat, chunky calyxes piled right on top of each other like in the first pic of the OP though, that screams indica to me
 
ButchyBoy

ButchyBoy

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Some of my strains stack calyxes and some don't. Same environment and same tap water. I have never mashed them into a bag so I can't speak for that Idea. My Holy Grails and Xj13's stack up during the last week or so.

I just took this picture of a Holy Grail. Today is day 62. Excuse the curl, I just watered it.

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I say it is strain related.
 
GreenStick85

GreenStick85

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ButchyBoy said:
Some of my strains stack calyxes and some don't. Same environment and same tap water. I have never mashed them into a bag so I can't speak for that Idea. My Holy Grails and Xj13's stack up during the last week or so.

I just took this picture of a Holy Grail. Today is day 62. Excuse the curl, I just watered it.

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I say it is strain related.
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Looks delicious to just pick a fruit off and toke that.
 
Farmer's Hat

Farmer's Hat

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Blue brother said:
The op Stated that these were two different strains so obviously genetics has something to do with it. But to say categorically that light has nothing to do with differing bud formation is simply untrue.

I'm currently flowering a plant under just hps. In ten weeks the next plant will be finished which will have been grown under hps and Mv. I can allready tell you that the first plant which will be finished in 3 weeks, will look more rounded and compact compared to the plant flowered under the mv which will look more spikey and have a looser formation of calyx (and a hell of a lot more trichomes). Both plants are from the same mother.

I'm prepared to accept its a combination of both environment and genetics. But saying that light has nothing to do with it is ridiculous.
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It is true that flower density can be affected by lighting.

However, Calyx to leaf ratio is entirely genetic. Also, some flowers will never dense up, regardless of light, nutes, etc. Genetics is the most important factor.
 
Blue brother

Blue brother

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Farmer's Hat said:
It is true that flower density can be affected by lighting.

However, Calyx to leaf ratio is entirely genetic. Also, some flowers will never dense up, regardless of light, nutes, etc. Genetics is the most important factor.
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Yeah fair play everything Ur saying here is true, I was just noting that environment (light in particular) can and does play a part in the way the bud forms
 
greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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GreenStick85 said:
You ought to check out what Dr. grinspoon buds look like. They look like Bells or a teardrop bud and they grow oddly like a plant you might see in your grandmas garden. The plant structure is spindly, not like the average trees that grow out and whatnot, I could almost compare it to Wisteria or another plant that seems to grow these magenta pink colored flowers and the stem is really thin. definitely not a super high yielding plant but hearing it's a 100 percent sativa, there is an interesting structure of the plant as a whole.
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just so happen to have a pic on my comp of the fabulous but PITA to grow grinspoon, iused it as an example of "foxtailing" some dude thought his hybrid was foxtailing...
I was like, nah man.... THIS is foxtailing
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GreenStick85

GreenStick85

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greasemonkeymann said:
just so happen to have a pic on my comp of the fabulous but PITA to grow grinspoon, iused it as an example of "foxtailing" some dude thought his hybrid was foxtailing...
I was like, nah man.... THIS is foxtailing
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How well did that smoke? Looks fantastic. I'm not sure if a pure sativa is great for me(get real jittery) but sometimes the chemistry works out.
 
greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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GreenStick85 said:
That is Foxtailing!!!!!
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fucken-A right, it is.
If there was a cannabis dictionary, and one for foxtailing, the Dr.grinspoon would be right there. no description needed, just a picture.
that being said.. for an intensely high THC plant,, it does raise me some eye-brows...
if only I had 3000 watts and 15 foot ceilings... and the desire to only be able to squeeze in two harvest a year... at like 200 days of maturation time..
 
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