Why do so many ppl dog Arjan?

I mean the Greenhouse Company has won 31 cups and offer some of the best prices on the net. They even have grow videos of a alot of their strains on Youtube. Yet you still see alot of ppl talking down on em. And whats up with rollitup's obsession with Nirvana? They are an inferior quality company but they get promoted like gods on this site!

Q: "Why do so many ppl dog Arjan?"

A: "the Greenhouse Company has won 31 cups"

I've found that great success often creates dislike in others. Also, Nirvana has a cool name.

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Yes exactly success breeds hate and thats all there is to it! Also greenhouse dont ship to the usa thats why nirvana is on here!

danrasta said:

Yes exactly success breeds hate and thats all there is to it! Also greenhouse dont ship to the usa thats why nirvana is on here!

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They don't ship directly, but im growing their King's Kush now. And Nirvana is shit IMO.

I find that most people who talk shit about Green House Seeds blame anything and everything except themselves.

Some of these kids on here obviously have no clue how to grow and will blame the easiest thing they can: The Breeder. I have nothing but good things to say about GHS, they have quality strains and don't dick you on the prices.

And they don't ship directly but you can buy them at Attitude.

Green House Seeds have won tons of cups and their strains are featured in almost EVERY coffee shop in Holland, you can't argue with that. I don't really buy into the cannabis cup all that much because I think it is hard for some smaller seed companies to win it, it's more about money nowadays.

But, I did smoke GHS strains all over Holland and they were fantastic!

There's been a lot of talk about arjan buying the cup, as well as stealing and renaming genetics. fact or fiction? who knows. but that's the main gripe i know of...

"I am the king of all cannabis!".....yeah! right! it's called EGO...just ask franco on a bad day!.....high times sold out before it moved to N.Y.city...and they do play faves-think I'm wrong?....why do the west coast strains blow the cup winners away? amsterdam is yesteryear, and falling behind fast! and when h.t. declares pineapple punch plant of the year?!!! c'mon...it's o.k. weed at best! makes me wanna' buy some fake weed, because some cute naked dutch prostitute posed with it! if you're running adds like that, YOU HAVE SOLD OUT! you're selling bunk to the public, because they paid for the advertising?!!! 2 words to H.T: BUH- BYE!!!!

Arjan is an amazing business man and understands marketing better than almost anyone I have ever seen.
Arjan has the capitol and the clout to out spend the other competitors with the exception of Derri and Luke.
When you give a gram of hash, weed and a bobble head doll to pot heads that are used to smoking swag its very easy to win the vote of those people.
The Cannabis cup is not about the best weed is about the best marketing and promotion
If youd like an inside look into the Cannabis cup you can read in detail about my report on the CC.
https://www.rollitup.org/subcools-old-school-organics/48214-good-bad-ugly-2006-scamabus.html

Just look at the dog shit he entered that won that year.
No serious grower runs Greenhouse genetics just newbies and kids that are reading HT for the first time

Sub

Say what you will Arjan has some fine Hazes. True with any seeds, the more you know about growing, the better the product.

because people get tired of his sales pitch and constant need to bye cannabis cups,maybe thats why,he reminds me of a used car salesmen.but he does have some decent stuff,but everyone does,you can get 35 dollar beans as good as any i have smoked the proof.

they rock im growing super lemon haze and super silver haze and they are awesome! and you can buy all the green house seeds you want from attitude seeds shipped anywhere. and im in the usa

i saw a cutting called herri berry,it was a strain grown by my uncles friend x,they used to grow on a hippy commune in tofino on the island in the 60,s early 70,s,they had a network all the way to southern most tip of the americas,well herri berry was supposedly a herijuana and shiska berry or something to that effect,x bred it later in his life,it was smokeing proof he knew his stuff,it was stabilized as for as X was concerned,and it was out of this world(do i have a cutting,NO,i was a parent and did not chance at that time to put a plant in my house,but to make a long story short a lot of west coast hippies that grew weed and traded it for food and trucks or tractors all know a few top names that used their work.you have to remember a lot of people worked with those strains before the seed promoters got a hold of it.I can gauentee it wasnt arjan tramping through south america and other localities.I dont think he even has the balls to do what a lot of the pot pioneers did.i have a head full of some crazy stories from a hippy uncle who lived in communes around the world growing pot as a comodity to be traded.they were the ones gathering genetics.they went into some haywire situations all for the herb.i have said many times nothing is new under the sun it has all been done before.Im not saying arjan is not a good seed producer,im just saying i dont think he is one of the pioneers,just a guy who knew were the moneys at.maybe im wrong and arjan was one of those crazy mothers who risked it all to smuggle and breed the worlds finest.

i agree with subcool 100 percent

trapper said:

because people get tired of his sales pitch and constant need to bye cannabis cups,maybe thats why,he reminds me of a used car salesmen.but he does have some decent stuff,but everyone does,you can get 35 dollar beans as good as any i have smoked the proof.

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hell..I'm growing the proof!!! thanks sub'!

They say he buys the cup because he passes out free weed during the cannabis cups, So if you are voting you smoked his weed a bunch and maybe not so many of the others since you had to buy theirs so when it comes to voting you have his name in your head. If that is all you smoked because you were to cheap to buy anything else then guess who gets your vote.

Also he has a habit of naming his strains whatever is popular at the time and takes credit for it, some discussion on whether you are really buying that strain or not, or just something he grew and put a popular name on. Like I think alaskan ice is some rare strain no one has, and all the sudden he names one of his strains alaskan ice and starts selling it. Most people think they are buying the original alaskan ice when they are probably just buying a plant he bred and named it that.

Then there is the whole white widow controversy.

whiteberry said:

i agree with subcool 100 percent

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I sensed something of the green-eyed monster in what SubCool said.

la9 said:

Like I think alaskan ice is some rare strain no one has, and all the sudden he names one of his strains alaskan ice and starts selling it. Most people think they are buying the original alaskan ice when they are probably just buying a plant he bred and named it that.

Then there is the whole white widow controversy.

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If you research different strains that share the same name you will very often find a considerable difference in their lineage.

Most different breeder’s strains of the same name are genetically different. At best some have one of the original genetic parents to work with and then some use F2’s in crosses like TGA Subcool’s SpaceJill that used a SpaceQueen F2 so things can vary and not always be exactly what people believe them to be.

Andre Linoge said:

If you research different strains that share the same name you will very often find a considerable difference in their lineage.

Most different breeder’s strains of the same name are genetically different. At best some have one of the original genetic parents to work with and then some use F2’s in crosses like TGA Subcool’s SpaceJill that used a SpaceQueen F2 so things can vary and not always be exactly what people believe them to be.

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That's all understandable, just that many rumors about arjan naming whatever he wants whatever he wants to get the sale. It may be a good plant just not anything close to what he says it is. I don't hear rumors like that about the other companies. I know it's hard to believe rumors but with all the repeats on it I'd think there may be some truth to it. If that is what he does, does that make him smart or does that make him dishonest ? If the plant is good weed does the name really matter ?

was reading your post and i have to say i really think that it is somewhat pathetic when people jump on someone's case that is handling their business, and providing reasonable price genetics(that i hear are pretty dam good), ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE NO STAKE IN ANYTHING THAT ARJAN HAS GOING ONROFFESIONALLY OR PERSONALLY.

you know what i'm not taking anybody's side, but i will say this:
i dont know arjan, never bought any of his seeds, but i do know that green house seeds is a powerhouse,IMO. look here, the man has a very successful business going, pretty much a household name(in growers circles). basically he is handling his business. are you? what do you have to show to make a person BELIEVE that you know what you are talking about. because i need more than an opinion, and some photos. i mean who are you,what type of strains are you breeding? do you have anything worth anything with your name on it that you can show all of these people you are trying sell your opinion to? because if you do, i swear to God that i'll order your shit and arjan's shit today to see which one of you guys really got it going on.because aside from that you only have two options:
#1 You can start you own company, get the word out that its a new kid on the block, and give Greenhouse some competition to put some fire under their asses, and force them to tughten their game up.
-OR-
#2 stop worrying about another MAN'S business, don't buy any of his seeds, and shut the fuck up!
(no disrespect)




PEACE!!!
-ZEN-

ZEN MASTER said:

was reading your post and i have to say i really think that it is somewhat pathetic when people jump on someone's case that is handling their business, and providing reasonable price genetics(that i hear are pretty dam good), ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE NO STAKE IN ANYTHING THAT ARJAN HAS GOING ONROFFESIONALLY OR PERSONALLY.

you know what i'm not taking anybody's side, but i will say this:
i dont know arjan, never bought any of his seeds, but i do know that green house seeds is a powerhouse,IMO. look here, the man has a very successful business going, pretty much a household name(in growers circles). basically he is handling his business. are you? what do you have to show to make a person BELIEVE that you know what you are talking about. because i need more than an opinion, and some photos. i mean who are you,what type of strains are you breeding? do you have anything worth anything with your name on it that you can show all of these people you are trying sell your opinion to? because if you do, i swear to God that i'll order your shit and arjan's shit today to see which one of you guys really got it going on.because aside from that you only have two options:
#1 You can start you own company, get the word out that its a new kid on the block, and give Greenhouse some competition to put some fire under their asses, and force them to tughten their game up.
-OR-
#2 stop worrying about another MAN'S business, don't buy any of his seeds, and shut the fuck up!
(no disrespect)




PEACE!!!
-ZEN-

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What gives ? Someone wanted to know why the guy gets ragged on and those are the reasons.