Why do I feel bad for letting my friend trip?

Ok so I have a close friend from work. She smokes pot, even more than I do. She drinks too. So she's not innocent when it comes to drugs.

I grow mushrooms so they're easily available to her. she's known this for a while but hasn't ever asked and I haven't really talked about it too much either. But she's recently asked to trip with me, I told her no haha.. A solid no. My reason is because my whole world has turned upside down from tripping. I really mean that, my life was FLIPPED. I went through ups and downs through psychedelics and their effects afterwards (I mean the knowledge you gain from them. whether it's good or bad). Went through depression for months (maybe years.. idk, I've lost track of time) from the things I learned while tripping but I came out a stronger person.

The reason I don't want to trip with her is because I don't want my friend to go through the same shit I went through. I'm not sure if I regret ever tripping. I'm not sure if I'd like to have a "sober" mind. I mean I've learned SO much through drugs (as fiendish as that may sound) and if given the chance, I don't think I'd want to wipe away the experiences and teachings I've gained. At the same time, ignorance is bliss. Psychedelics reveal reality for what it truly is. They take down the way you think (to an extent) and allow you to think outside your normal thoughts.. to go outside of your "comfort zone" (which are the thoughts you've known all your life so you've grown comfort in them). Sometimes you won't like the thoughts that occur. I don't want to corrupt her. I feel like I'm taking her virginity!!.. would you trip with somebody their first time? I honestly want to, but I don't want to feel guilty.

I love tripping with people for their first time. It bring a bit of the magic back. While I've been reckless with psychedelic drugs I beleive that when used responsibly they can be a powerful tool for personal growth and I try to pass that on to new people.

depression does not stem from drugs but from inside you. you can achieve the same level of enlightenment or self realization through meditation. my mind has not diminished from psychedelics whatsoever, but im sure my young drinking days did. psychedelics will take a magnified glass and search your soul, if your a alcoholic then you will see all that comes with it in visions and feelings. All the morals you have learned will be turned to look inside yourself. you can still choose not to believe or see what the drug is teaching, thats when psychedelics get dangerous.

you cannot say that her life will turn upside down like yours did. i chaperoned a friends first time two weeks ago, it was a great and positive experience, he told me he felt like it was the first time his brain had ever really worked. I completely agree with Duck in that if its used properly in a good setting psychedelics make excellent personal growth tools. plus its fun.

Impman said:

depression does not stem from drugs but from inside you. you can achieve the same level of enlightenment or self realization through meditation. my mind has not diminished from psychedelics whatsoever, but im sure my young drinking days did. psychedelics will take a magnified glass and search your soul, if your a alcoholic then you will see all that comes with it in visions and feelings. All the morals you have learned will be turned to look inside yourself. you can still choose not to believe or see what the drug is teaching, thats when psychedelics get dangerous.

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This is exactly what I mean. I understand depression comes from within. But drugs DO push it onto you. And if you're not ready, it can be very tough to handle. She's young, and so am I. I'm 20, and she's the same age. When you say young drinking days, why do you mention the "young" part? is it because your brain was still developing at the time? My mind is still developing and so is hers. I believe I took a big risk at taking psychedelics at a young age (15, though I've heard of younger first time users). I know she's old enough and can make her own decisions.. but wouldn't it be a much safer route for her to wait a few years? I see this opportunity as a way to turn back time. An opportunity where I can tell her to just stay the same for now and that she'll have plenty of time to trip when she's older. Something a strong part of me wishes I would have done.

It's the possibility of danger that keeps me from wanting her to trip. The fact that she could easily turn up like so many others who went through a very rough time because of drugs. But at the same time, that's as silly as me telling somebody not to experience love because their hearts might be broken. Some things just need to be given a chance, and this time it's up to her. Shit, I just might let her trip.

it allows you the opportunity to offer a mentorship of the highest order.

GreenSummit said:

you cannot say that her life will turn upside down like yours did. i chaperoned a friends first time two weeks ago, it was a great and positive experience, he told me he felt like it was the first time his brain had ever really worked. I completely agree with Duck in that if its used properly in a good setting psychedelics make excellent personal growth tools. plus its fun.

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The first time I tripped, I told my close friend and my sister (who I tripped with) that I had the greatest experience of my life. Now, I'd change the word from "greatest" to "major". Til this day, they do not know what kind of effect it had on me. Your friends view changed, there's no denying that. He learned something new. IMO, he got lucky that he learned something positive and not something that would have screwed up his whole logic. I had a great setting, I thought the trip itself was great, but it's what changed inside of me that I somewhat regret. But like I said in my last post, that was my own regret, she may love it for all I know.

^^exactly. its just not fair for us to project our feelings and experiences onto other people, you know?

If you don't dose her,and she truly wants to but you dont,someone else will,and it could be bad then if they don't have the caring intentions you do..

^ agreed. People have a tendency to do the things they want to do whether they should or not.

and if you are already close with her you are much better off having her do it with you than some other person she isnt close with- do you want to risk missing out on an amazing bonding experience with an obviously cool chick you are close with? sounds like a no brainer to me.

on my personal views i tend to stay away from people who do drugs like this because of how much they fucked up my life. you never know who isnt mentally stable. however you grow them so i mean ... you cant advocate how much they fucked up your life if you grow them
if your personal instinct is that she is going to have a bad time because we all know you know her better than we do suggest she doesnt take them and why , but she will most likely go get them from someone else.

maybe give her .5 and work up from there that way she doesnt stupidly go and take an entire quarter of mush on her own

What really makes you "regret" taking an entheogen....my wife had huge issues for a while after some MAJOR mushroom/lsd experiences and she started to sound like you did....

After about a year though we finally sat down and talked about it really dug our heels into that weird not so good feeling....and came out with some clarity

You should be doing some work within yourself to see why you TRULY feel that way...where do the emotions stem from......even after those weird ego death/out of body experiences that are euphoric I have found if I don't work hard at integrating my experiences I have this broken feeling like I am out of tune with myself/universe this especially happened after one unique mushroom trip didn't take to much about 4.5 grams but it propelled me into another universe and I met not the maker but myself without the bullshit...it was really difficult to feel like a piece of puddy being stretched and molded liquified renewed is what I felt immediately after the experience...but the next few days I could tell something was up...I wasn't using what I had been given....in this specific case I found artwork that reminisced of the experience helped (thats actually where my avatar came from and I am not a painter/drawer always a music guy) I don't know why it helped it seemed like every line completed and linked to me and connected me with everyone/thing sorry for my rant there but I think you need to reflect and look at yourself and see where the uneasiness comes from...peace love and light

hep/mario.. my best advice is let her trip with you, only reason why. i think someone posted it, she'll do it anyway... remember when i was hanging out with big boobed girl... i didnt let her trip with me at first, then she found it anyway, she called me freaking out crying and telling me to pick her up from there.. so i did, her first trip didnt go so well... a few months later we chilled at my place and i was going to eat shrooms that night, well this time she was curious as to what itd be like in a different setting. i busted out a jar of herbs and the shrooms, she ate a half 8th and loved it when she started to peak out, so i gave her another half 8th, she had a really good time because we spent the whole trip just smoking and giggling. we took it easy and had a lot of fun, i just kinda kept her focused on stupid stuff lmao. didnt really give her time to reach the dark side

GreenSummit said:

^^exactly. its just not fair for us to project our feelings and experiences onto other people, you know?

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It could however, be self fulfilling. I have ushered many many people into the mushroom realm. Some, in my judgement, needed a coaxing dose, others needed to be given a large dose and left alone, others given a large does and directed and I have indeed refused to give others any at all, recommending that they think very carefully about why they wanted to use mushrooms. I have in my past been very cruel to people while under the influence and so I rarely take but a tiny dose myself when I am with them on their first time - the power is difficult for me to control and I do have a ... streak.

I think of it however as most men do - we bring an experience to another it is as if we invented that experience. How is this any different than a tour guide throught the grand canyon - "to the left you will see 10,000 years worth of....." and now to your right.....

"here, try these tomatoes I grew, how about that restaraunt? check this movie out, listen to these cds", it's all the same but to be the introducer to such a grand and (forgive me for the word), awesome experience is an honor. It is an honor for me to share the mushroom and an honor that the person requesting has enough trust in me that they would bare their very perceptions.

sunni said:

on my personal views i tend to stay away from people who do drugs like this because of how much they fucked up my life. you never know who isnt mentally stable. however you grow them so i mean ... you cant advocate how much they fucked up your life if you grow them
if your personal instinct is that she is going to have a bad time because we all know you know her better than we do suggest she doesnt take them and why , but she will most likely go get them from someone else.

maybe give her .5 and work up from there that way she doesnt stupidly go and take an entire quarter of mush on her own

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mushrooms wont fuck up your life unless youre not mentally stable. and for people that arent mentally right, http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/12/science/12psychedelics.html
it all depends on your mind set i think. if your glass is half full, have fun!.. if its half empty, youre probably going to realize your life is half empty too. not trying to be mean about it. ive never seen anyone ruin their lives with mushrooms. and if someone is dumb enough to take a quarter their first time by themselves.. natural selection
there was one acid trip that changed me though, definitely made me calm down atleast. i was used to a good amount of L and i only took 2 hits. everything got really intense and i eventually blacked out and was coming in and out of the blackouts tripping my brains out. that was bad, my whole body was shaking for 3 days i thought i was dying. im pretty sure i didnt even take L.. that was so intense.. visuals like fucking crazy. my legs had grass growing out of em like i was becoming part of the earth and the bubbler i was smoking was staring at me and just morphing away.. for me to take acid now it has to come from a really trusted source.

DMTER said:

What really makes you "regret" taking an entheogen....my wife had huge issues for a while after some MAJOR mushroom/lsd experiences and she started to sound like you did....

After about a year though we finally sat down and talked about it really dug our heels into that weird not so good feeling....and came out with some clarity

You should be doing some work within yourself to see why you TRULY feel that way...where do the emotions stem from......even after those weird ego death/out of body experiences that are euphoric I have found if I don't work hard at integrating my experiences I have this broken feeling like I am out of tune with myself/universe this especially happened after one unique mushroom trip didn't take to much about 4.5 grams but it propelled me into another universe and I met not the maker but myself without the bullshit...it was really difficult to feel like a piece of puddy being stretched and molded liquified renewed is what I felt immediately after the experience...but the next few days I could tell something was up...I wasn't using what I had been given....in this specific case I found artwork that reminisced of the experience helped (thats actually where my avatar came from and I am not a painter/drawer always a music guy) I don't know why it helped it seemed like every line completed and linked to me and connected me with everyone/thing sorry for my rant there but I think you need to reflect and look at yourself and see where the uneasiness comes from...peace love and light

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I too have come away from a large dose.... either stunned or incapacitated, unable to integrate what I had seen or experienced. I found that a small dose a few days later corrects the problem in short order.

srh88 said:

mushrooms wont fuck up your life unless youre not mentally stable. and for people that arent mentally right, http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/12/science/12psychedelics.html
it all depends on your mind set i think. if your glass is half full, have fun!.. if its half empty, youre probably going to realize your life is half empty too. not trying to be mean about it. ive never seen anyone ruin their lives with mushrooms. and if someone is dumb enough to take a quarter their first time by themselves.. natural selection
there was one acid trip that changed me though, definitely made me calm down atleast. i was used to a good amount of L and i only took 2 hits. everything got really intense and i eventually blacked out and was coming in and out of the blackouts tripping my brains out. that was bad, my whole body was shaking for 3 days i thought i was dying. im pretty sure i didnt even take L.. that was so intense.. visuals like fucking crazy. my legs had grass growing out of em like i was becoming part of the earth and the bubbler i was smoking was staring at me and just morphing away.. for me to take acid now it has to come from a really trusted source.

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i said drugs like that ,mush didnt fuck me up its was multiple drugs all working against me together.

canndo said:

I too have come away from a large dose.... either stunned or incapacitated, unable to integrate what I had seen or experienced. I found that a small dose a few days later corrects the problem in short order.

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The small dose has worked both ways for me...either pushed it right into the sweet spot as far as being centered or made the whole ordeal that much more difficult...but the difficult I have found much more rewarding and quite honestly I no longer seek euphoria....when I was a kid that was the whole point...now I seek truth whether well light and warm or dark and cold the truth is just that

DMTER said:

The small dose has worked both ways for me...either pushed it right into the sweet spot as far as being centered or made the whole ordeal that much more difficult...but the difficult I have found much more rewarding and quite honestly I no longer seek euphoria....when I was a kid that was the whole point...now I seek truth whether well light and warm or dark and cold the truth is just that

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What is the old saying?

contentment is not knowing who you are, euphoria is not knowing who you are and not caring and extacy is knowing exactly who you are.... and not caring.


or something to that effect