why are we paying for the border patrol and I.N.S?

beardo

beardo

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what is the purpose of the border patrol and I.N.S.? are they soposed to be keeping illegals out? is so theyve failed and lost the battle to hold the border because mexico has invaded the u.s.a im sure they have far more boots on the ground here than we have in iraq. it is obvious the government wants this and is purposly turning this into a third world nation where homelessness insanity not using a common language and accepting homosexuality and abortion. why? if we want them here why not dismantle the boarder? stop paying for people to not do their job. we could have build an israli type of wall instead we have boarded patrol. when i was caught with 10 illegals driving across boarder they held me about 2 hours with out charging me or even cuffing me then let me go without charges or bail it was a slight inconvenience but they did offer to return the van wich wasnt even mine. i am not mexican but i like them my beef is that im paying for them to do a horrible job of protecting our country. im glad they didnt but i would expect to be exicuted for sneaking forigners into a country....treason?
 
abe23

abe23

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Rob Roy said:
http://www.aclu.org/cpredirect/37293

...don't like things at the border? Perhaps you didn't realize the "new border" is 100 miles from the actual border?
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Yea, a few weeks ago, I got stopped at a ICE checkpoint on the interstate. They were stopping all traffic and asking people questions, then pulling some over for secondary inspection...and I live in the northeast. I wasn't sure if they were looking for something specific or not, but it really bothered me to think that we have checkpoints on the highway, like it's the soviet union or something....

Oh and by the way, I totally accept homosexuality and abortion, just as I accept peoples' decisions to own guns or put drugs in their bodies if they want to. Freedom doesn't mean that other people only do things you approve of....
 
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Leaving the borders open creates a problem and the Govsters know this. Now look at the 'solutions'- they create- to solve their manufactured problem?

Check Points and all other forms of 'shake down.

Slam the borders shut and toss all who are here illegally out. Send the bill to the country of origin.

We should not have to pay for the conduct of one of their citizens. This includes those here in prison. Send the bill to their country and then send them home to thir country. That would stop the border problem right now.

But that's not what the Govsters want. No. Not by a long shot!

Illegals send a good majority of their cash to their home people/country. They can buy a house (in mexico) in just a few short working years in America. They work for less which means the American vying for that job will be past over by a company intent on padding their profit margin on a contract etc.

Ethnicly they stay together and don't assimilate into our culture but we are required to accept their being here and their culture or face being called a racsist by the politically correct crowd. (the govsters want them here working for less and not collecting fed income tax on a fake ss# via income tax return.)

Their is more but... the main goal I believe will be the following:

If civil unrest takes place in America many groups will stay united ethnicly and take what they want, when they want. This is mob mentality. Another problem to solve by the govsters.

Solution: due to the morading bands of 'gangs' Martial Law will be implemented. Martial Law may start at State level but quickly expand to a National level as civil unrest continues to grow.

This may be the end result of the original manufactured problem for not holding all people -here illegaly- accountable to the Law.

As for me- I think we should have the same immigration law as Mexico on the south and Canadian law on the north.
Why not aplly the penalty of the persons homeland on that very person entering here illegally??
Send the deportation bill to the home country and the bill for housing them for their crimes (if any are commited while here illegally) to the country of origin.
Why should we have to pay for the conduct of someone here illegally?
Bill their contry!
 
abe23

abe23

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Haul me to Heaven said:
Leaving the borders open creates a problem and they know this. Now look at the soulutions they create to solve their manufactured problem? Check Points and all other forms of 'shake down. Slam the borders shut and toss all who are here illegally out. Send the bill to the country of origin.
We should not have to pay for the conduct of one of their citizens. This includes those here in prison. Send the bill to their country and then send them home to thir country. That would stop the border problem right now.

But that's not what the Govsters want. No. Not by a long shot!

Illegals send a good majority of their cash to their home people/country. They can buy a house (in mexico) in just a few short working years in America. They work for less which means the American vying for that job will be past over by a company intent on padding their profit margin on a contract etc.

Ethnicly they stay together and don't assimilate into our culture but we are required to accept their being here and their culture or face being called a racsist by the politically correct crowd.

If civil unrest takes place in America many groups will stay united ethnicly and take what they want, when they want. This is mob mentality. Another problem to solve by the govsters.
Solution: due to the morading bands of 'gangs' Martial Law will be implemented and then you can kiss the constitution goodbye. Martial Law may start at State level but quickly expand to a National level as civil unrest continues to grow.

This may be the end result of the original problem for not holding all people here illegaly accountable to the Law.

And, I think we should have the same immigration law as Mexico on the south and Canadian law on the north.
Why not aplly the penalty of the persons homeland on that very person entering here illegally??
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This is the same weak shit you bring to every discussion on immigration, yet you refuse to answer some of the most basic questions.

Do you want the government (state/federal/local, whatever) to be carrying out ID checks, rounding people up and interning them before they get deported? Because that happens to be the line that I don't want the government stepping over. It seems we both distrust the government only when it comes to things we disagree with. You don't trust the government enough to let them regulate the health insurance market, yet you are willing to have a police state as long as it is in the interests of deporting undocumented immigrants. Explain that one to me and we can talk about why people who are educated and want to come work here should be allowed to.

And if everyone on the left really wanted more government control over people, 'illegal immigration' would be the best pretext

As for that bit about culture and assimilation, consider this. My great grandparents came to this country at the end of the 19th century and never assimilated. They spoke the same language and kept all the customs and traditions of their former home country. It usually takes a few generations...

Also, the people who founded the country decided not to make english the official language for a very good reason, just like they decided it was best to keep church and government separate, but you only like the part about bearing arms and not paying taxes. It's just like all the hypocrite christians, who think religion is about hating gays and judging people....

http://www.theonion.com/content/news/area_man_passionate_defender_of

Not completely on topic, but very funny....
 
CSI Stickyicky

CSI Stickyicky

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I live the chicago area. People from all over the world come to live around here, and it seems they all keep to their own respective communities. The indians open up convenient stores, charge 2 dollars more for EVERYTHING, and then keep the money in their community. The koreans do laundry, the polish do house cleaning, the mexicans do landscaping, the greeks open restaurants, etc. I understand that my relatives were once immigrants too, and im not against immigration, but there should be LIMITS! If we take on too much of the world's trash, we become trashy ourselves, bottom line. Let India over-populate itself. If the conditions are rough because there are too many people in your country, letting them spill over into our country makes our country take on the burden of the additional population, even though we spent money educating our young on condoms, pulling out, and the pill.
I say if an immigrant is caught through normal police work, (like getting pulled over for speeding, and asked for ID) he should be given a ride back to his country. And not the easy way. I heard at an Arizona crossing, if you get caught trying to get into the USA without proper credentials, they bus you to texas, and drop you back off in the desert in mexico closer to texas. So ya don't try the same thing again for at least a few days.
 
abe23

abe23

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We should change the statue of liberty so it says "poor huddled masses go fuck yourselves. We don't want to become trashy like you!"
 
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abe23 said:
This is the same weak shit you bring to every discussion on immigration, yet you refuse to answer some of the most basic questions.

Do you want the government (state/federal/local, whatever) to be carrying out ID checks, rounding people up and interning them before they get deported? Because that happens to be the line that I don't want the government stepping over. It seems we both distrust the government only when it comes to things we disagree with. You don't trust the government enough to let them regulate the health insurance market, yet you are willing to have a police state as long as it is in the interests of deporting undocumented immigrants. Explain that one to me and we can talk about why people who are educated and want to come work here should be allowed to.

And if everyone on the left really wanted more government control over people, 'illegal immigration' would be the best pretext

As for that bit about culture and assimilation, consider this. My great grandparents came to this country at the end of the 19th century and never assimilated. They spoke the same language and kept all the customs and traditions of their former home country. It usually takes a few generations...

Also, the people who founded the country decided not to make english the official language for a very good reason, just like they decided it was best to keep church and government separate, but you only like the part about bearing arms and not paying taxes. It's just like all the hypocrite christians, who think religion is about hating gays and judging people....

http://www.theonion.com/content/news/area_man_passionate_defender_of

Not completely on topic, but very funny....
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First off- you seem to want everyone to agree with your opinion whereas I could care less if they agree with mine.

"Do you want the government (state/federal/local, whatever) to be carrying out ID checks, rounding people up and interning them before they get deported? "

More than one question here. 1) yes, cuff, stuff and ship IF they are here illegally!

2) Get a bus load ready and ship. Don't forget to bill the nation they came from for this cost!

Because that happens to be the line that I don't want the government stepping over.
Not holding illegals accountable for thier crime? They broke the law! But you libs don't seem to understand the need for law based immigration.

You don't trust the government enough to let them regulate the health insurance market, yet you are willing to have a police state as long as it is in the interests of deporting undocumented immigrants

They can't even enforce the Immigration laws on the books now! So why would I be willing to give them their THEIR Health Care program and excpect them to follow those laws? I'm not willing to see anyone being required to pay for the health care of those who are here illegally!
You seem to be for every parasitic program engineered to suck the life and freedoms out of We, the people.

And if everyone on the left really wanted more government control over people, 'illegal immigration' would be the best pretext
what? Restate that. pretext to what? Put the pipe down.

As for that bit about culture and assimilation, consider this. My great grandparents came to this country at the end of the 19th century and never assimilated. They spoke the same language and kept all the customs and traditions of their former home country. It usually takes a few generations...
Bet they came here legally!

Also, the people who founded the country decided not to make english the official language for a very good reason, just like they decided it was best to keep church and government separate, but you only like the part about bearing arms and not paying taxes. It's just like all the hypocrite christians, who think religion is about hating gays and judging people...

You don't even know anything about history.
We were from England and all who came here knew that English was the most widely used.

Sepreration of Church and State has nothing to do with what YOU think it does. It was ment to keep Government out of Religion of all faiths and type. No State directed/controled religion- Like the Church of England. And if you think Christianity is about hateing people- you are one unlearned individual. Hate sin but love the sinner. And your problem seems to be in not knowing how to rightly judge a matter. Your biasies cloud everything that comes across your mind and ears.

Nothing like a free education even if you refuse to learn.
 
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Wordz

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I hate mexican's coming here and packing our chicken. Or the ones picking our fruits and vegetables. there are sooo many americans willing to do these jobs.
 
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If the illegal were paid a just and fair wage Americans would probably do the work.

To the point: In Aspen I watched Rod, a white guy, get turned down for a job. The mexican was hired. Both had the same skills but the going rate for that type of skill was $30hr. The illegal was hired for $14. And he had to take the bus to town from down valley (60 miles one way).

I am against slavery. Always have been. The contractor SHOULD have been charged with the crime of hireing an undocumented worker. Nope. That law was not enforced. End of story- Rod lost his house and the mexican moved up valley in a trailer park with 2 or 3 families per trailer. But Rod lost his house.

Mexican do the work Americans won't do at that price!. But if you want people to willingly bend over and be screwed Vote for health care!
 
abe23

abe23

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Haul me to Heaven said:
First off- you seem to want everyone to agree with your opinion whereas I could care less if they agree with mine.

"Do you want the government (state/federal/local, whatever) to be carrying out ID checks, rounding people up and interning them before they get deported? "

More than one question here. 1) yes, cuff, stuff and ship IF they are here illegally!

2) Get a bus load ready and ship. Don't forget to bill the nation they came from for this cost!

Because that happens to be the line that I don't want the government stepping over.
Not holding illegals accountable for thier crime? They broke the law! But you libs don't seem to understand the need for law based immigration.

You don't trust the government enough to let them regulate the health insurance market, yet you are willing to have a police state as long as it is in the interests of deporting undocumented immigrants

They can't even enforce the Immigration laws on the books now! So why would I be willing to give them their THEIR Health Care program and excpect them to follow those laws? I'm not willing to see anyone being required to pay for the health care of those who are here illegally!
You seem to be for every parasitic program engineered to suck the life and freedoms out of We, the people.

And if everyone on the left really wanted more government control over people, 'illegal immigration' would be the best pretext
what? Restate that. pretext to what? Put the pipe down.

As for that bit about culture and assimilation, consider this. My great grandparents came to this country at the end of the 19th century and never assimilated. They spoke the same language and kept all the customs and traditions of their former home country. It usually takes a few generations...
Bet they came here legally!

Also, the people who founded the country decided not to make english the official language for a very good reason, just like they decided it was best to keep church and government separate, but you only like the part about bearing arms and not paying taxes. It's just like all the hypocrite christians, who think religion is about hating gays and judging people...

You don't even know anything about history.
We were from England and all who came here knew that English was the most widely used.

Sepreration of Church and State has nothing to do with what YOU think it does. It was ment to keep Government out of Religion of all faiths and type. No State directed/controled religion- Like the Church of England. And if you think Christianity is about hateing people- you are one unlearned individual. Hate sin but love the sinner. And your problem seems to be in not knowing how to rightly judge a matter. Your biasies cloud everything that comes across your mind and ears.

Nothing like a free education even if you refuse to learn.
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I don't necessarily want you to agree with me, I'm just pointing out that most of the arguments you make to support your views are weaksauce.

I'm not sure you see the irony of coming onto a board dedicated to an illegal activity and talking about how people who enter the country without a green card should be deported simply because they're breaking the law. Surely we can agree that some laws don't make sense.... which is where my point about reforming immigration to let in more seasonal workers and skilled labor into the country comes in. Our economy needs these people to grow and they will continue to come as long as that's the case (it actually dipped off when the recession started) whether we give them the papers to do so legally or not. So before we talk about cracking down on the borders, we need to make it easier for the right people to get in. You always talk around this question but it always comes back to this.

We are both correct about separation of church and state, both those things are why we have it. Let's not put the baby jesus in the courthouse, please. And I don't think at all that christianity is about hating people (in fact quite the opposite, which was my point in the first place), but some folks do. Just ask the "god hates fags" people who protest at military funerals. And they're only the worst of the crazies...

I'm glad we can actually talk about this stuff rather just doing the red vs blue thing that all threads end up in.
 
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Why should I even respond to a troll who changed the quote of mine : post 35 on "Icarus Obama and the Wax Wings".
Look at what you did to it- post#36.

You are the poster child of all that is wrong with libs! You removed the truth in data and replaced it with a lie!

You have been reported! Later Cloud City!!

I hope to never see you and this site again. You are a troll.
 
beardo

beardo

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im for it 110% either way...let the boader open over a couple years and let everyone in or....round up everyone and deport illegals. i dont know about you but theyve fingerprinted me retna scaned me theyve even looked up my butt and under my balls so i guess they could do that to anyone even an illegal they might not like it i didnt. let everyone in or deport everyone. if your willing to work sometimes even for any wage you may be passed over for an illegal because they wont pay an american under the table but they will an illegal. theirs 100 in front of every home depot im not jokeing youve seen them. my point was that im not INS or boarder patrol but could probably find some ilegals. either their cool and hence not illegal or their illegal which is obviously-illegal. but when i got stopped at the border with 10 people under cardboard they didnt really trip i meen they told me i shouldnt do it and towed the van i had been suplied with but they didnt make it seem like it was bad or illegal not like years ago when i was arrested for a drinking a beer in public and didnt pay the fine and went to jail for 3 days it wasnt a big thing like that
 
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And they return under different names when they have been removed from a web site. We can spot them by their low number of posts and their desire to create strife on a site. Much is the same way you are doing 'Post total 10' !
Cloud city, Abe23 and now Lucie lou.
 
beardo

beardo

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divide and conqure why bicker..........im rubber your glue wtf. why trash people on here cant we just state facts and opions and our reasons for thinking how we do and consider others thoghts even if we dont agree. to debate i need to understand my poisitions position. my post was serious dont know if anyone else has first hand experience but to me it seemes they dont care about people coming into the country so why is my money being wasted on agencys to protect a border they allow people pass through illegaly. let them in or kick em out but dont bullshit us.
 
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beardo said:
divide and conqure why bicker..........im rubber your glue wtf. why trash people on here cant we just state facts and opions and our reasons for thinking how we do and consider others thoghts even if we dont agree. to debate i need to understand my poisitions position. my post was serious dont know if anyone else has first hand experience but to me it seemes they dont care about people coming into the country so why is my money being wasted on agencys to protect a border they allow people pass through illegaly. let them in or kick em out but dont bullshit us.
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We told the fed gov to NOT let them 'just come in- enforce the immigration laws!'. The fed gov has told us, via 'body langage'- to go pound sand.

So how do you enforce a law that they are unwilling to enforce?

This is just one example of our public servants NOT unholding/doing the Will of the people.

It's just wrong! They are to protect our borders but... nooooooooo.
 
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