CrackerJax
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Ouch!!!! Someone has been a busy beaver......
Who's Sick Of Obama Yet?
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headband707
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Wow let agree to disagree on the Bush thing FUCK I hate BUSH!!
Okay first I will make my point about Bush's WAR ON DRUG'S why would anyone on this board support Bush for any reason not to mention the countless kids he has killed for Oil. By the way the War on drugs was to fund Terrorism if you can believe that one... So where did all your money go? All that 10 billion every month? You think it's to the solders out in the fields and their expensive equipment or to finish off the Taliban which by the way they still haven't been able to beat. Never will by the way. They will and have gone broke trying so did Russia 30 years earlier...Bush was just trying to impress daddy...As far as the stock market it was the foxes in the hen house but your Gov. should have been watching that too. Now as far as your Health your supposed to be the richest nation in the world and yet you don't look after your own in the worst time of your life when your sick. Believe me that is the worst time.. You need the Gov. to step in and look after everyone rich and poor for health. There should be no question here. You should not have to go broke to get better. If you had to best health care in the world you would live longer then we do on average but you don't. Not saying any of this to offend and I hope it doesn't offend I only hope peace out, now I'm going to smoke a trainwreck x kush and listen to kottonmouthkings headband707
CrackerJax
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The war on drugs has been going on in earnest since 1968...... keep it in context.
headband707
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yeah I'm talking about 2009 peace please
Big P
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you really believe he did it to impress his dad??
we won the war and busted up the talibin without even droppin that many troops, hardly had a casualty.
your comments about afghanistan are a complete distortion
the only reason the job was not completed is because they went to pakistan tribal region. and pakistan has no control there and would not let us enter except with drones
and as far as health care anyone in america can go to the hospitol and get care, we also have medicare and midicaid
so your wrong again
theres only 40 million out of 300 million who just dont have insurance in america
of which 12 million are illigal aliens!!
atleast 15 million are between 18 & 25 and dont want / need health insurance
that leaves just 13 million who may actually need/deserve it
that is only 4% of the people in our country
and instead of just passing a bill to insure those 13 million people, (who would rather spend thier money on other things than health insurance)
this sick socialist government is trying to slam every US citizen into thier own government run health program which will destroy our private insurance just so they can have power over us and control us more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I hate to say it man, im a fellow pot smoker but you are compleatly miss informed on what you speak. and believe me at this point the legalizing of pot is the least of our worries.
trust me man just cuz everybody says somthing or everyone seems to have a certain opinion like "bush sucks" it doesnt make it true.
i could feel your excitment to jump on the bush thing. it feels right cus everybody says it right?
keep in mind humans are like lemmings and they will march each other off a cliff before they realize they are "all" wrong.
kinda like the whole nation of germany was back in the day
the first thing i do when sombody tells me "yo everyone does it this way" "everyone thinks this about this issue." the first thing i do is read the issues and make my own decision, dont jump on band wagons,
most people believe in god but the fact remains he does not exist and they are all wrong
hanimmal
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I have no problem with Bush, and wish that I would have been woken up to the fact before now. But unfortunately I did not wake up to all the lies until I saw it from the other point of view.
No he hasnt. In just the last 4 "Bush" years the American Government had spent 35trillion. In '09 it will be about 12 trillion.
Again I disagree, we are overweight, unhealthy, a good portion is over their heads in debt, we have been fighting too many wars, too addicted to tv, too high of gun crimes, too many of a lot of things to think it was fine.
Again I disagree. The banks that did the low income loans did well up until companies like quicken loans decided to milk the public by giving everyone all these new loans they came up with 105%, balloon, no verification 15 minute loans, ect. Then they packaged them and sold them to wall street.
The Mac banks wanted no part of them and refused them at first, but when everyone was doing them and making serious money it was already too late, The bubble had formed. For several years economists had warned the country, but noone wanted to listen because they were busy bashing Bush on the war, and economists talking about taking these loans away wouldn't sell.
I am not sure about Bush doing this, but I will take your word for it because it seems plausible.
The socialistic state thing aside, I do agree with you that us Dems played off of the Bush is evil thing to get Obama elected. But you need to see that all this garbage is the same thing but pointed at the new president. Same game just different players.
No they dislike him for the same sheepish reasons we hated Bush.
I disagree strongly here. Obama keeps trying to bring in the republicans, but they are betting against him and just doing everything possible to say they are fighting him off. The republicans can take a back seat, say no to anything and everything and call it good in '10.
Obama is getting so much heat from us Dems for not just saying screw it and steamrolling the Republicans.
There are some things, but they are just not sexy enough to really matter. Everyone makes mistakes and bad decisions from time to time. And the fact he did not have total say (just like Obama) means that a lot was pushed aside and not passed, and passed that had very little to do with him.
And this is why it is a great reason to step out and let them stand on their own the best they can with some side support from us.
It is easy to say people are masking their true evil, because it doesn't have to ever be proven.
I will stick with facts. They are a lot easier to find.
Then this bill is only going to cover that 4%, it excludes illegal immigrants.
And that should not bother you so much. The rest is about cutting costs and stopping the predatory actions that the insurance companies do now.
Your reading the graph wrong Han, The numbers represent the TOTAL debt, not the increase in debt. So from FY '05 to FY'08 Bush spent a TOTAL of about 2 trillion,(Increased from 8 tril to 10 tril) in the last 8 months the New Administration has spent a little more than 2 trillion, so at this rate its being spent 5 times as fast as when Bushy was pres.I
No he hasnt. In just the last 4 "Bush" years the American Government had spent 35trillion. In '09 it will be about 12 trillion.
And lets make this clear, it is Not OBAMA spending the money, it is CONGRESS. The president cannot ok the expenditure of taxpayers money, only Congress can.
Edit: as an aside, we all remember Bush taking the war off the balance sheet right? Add an extra 1 trillion to his numbers to make it really fair, but its still not on the balance sheet so add as much onto Obama's numbers also, which will only increase as we have added 1 more country to the mix. At this rate I wouldn't be surprised if we somehow got entangled with Iran also.
Big P
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atually the prsident can veto anything the congress puts forth. he signed off on it.
the bush outrage was all nonsense.
the outrage today is no where as irrational and no where as hateful as it was during bush
they way the lefties did it to bush hurt our country badly.
and caused more of our troops to be killed.
I guess we all have our opinions. im tired for typing.
Big P
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I have no problem with Bush, and wish that I would have been woken up to the fact before now. But unfortunately I did not wake up to all the lies until I saw it from the other point of view.
No he hasnt. In just the last 4 "Bush" years the American Government had spent 35trillion. In '09 it will be about 12 trillion.
Again I disagree, we are overweight, unhealthy, a good portion is over their heads in debt, we have been fighting too many wars, too addicted to tv, too high of gun crimes, too many of a lot of things to think it was fine.
Again I disagree. The banks that did the low income loans did well up until companies like quicken loans decided to milk the public by giving everyone all these new loans they came up with 105%, balloon, no verification 15 minute loans, ect. Then they packaged them and sold them to wall street.
The Mac banks wanted no part of them and refused them at first, but when everyone was doing them and making serious money it was already too late, The bubble had formed. For several years economists had warned the country, but noone wanted to listen because they were busy bashing Bush on the war, and economists talking about taking these loans away wouldn't sell.
I am not sure about Bush doing this, but I will take your word for it because it seems plausible.
The socialistic state thing aside, I do agree with you that us Dems played off of the Bush is evil thing to get Obama elected. But you need to see that all this garbage is the same thing but pointed at the new president. Same game just different players.
No they dislike him for the same sheepish reasons we hated Bush.
I disagree strongly here. Obama keeps trying to bring in the republicans, but they are betting against him and just doing everything possible to say they are fighting him off. The republicans can take a back seat, say no to anything and everything and call it good in '10.
Obama is getting so much heat from us Dems for not just saying screw it and steamrolling the Republicans.
There are some things, but they are just not sexy enough to really matter. Everyone makes mistakes and bad decisions from time to time. And the fact he did not have total say (just like Obama) means that a lot was pushed aside and not passed, and passed that had very little to do with him.
And this is why it is a great reason to step out and let them stand on their own the best they can with some side support from us.
It is easy to say people are masking their true evil, because it doesn't have to ever be proven.
I will stick with facts. They are a lot easier to find.
Then this bill is only going to cover that 4%, it excludes illegal immigrants.
And that should not bother you so much. The rest is about cutting costs and stopping the predatory actions that the insurance companies do now.
no the health care bill was designed to make everyone eventually rely on the government plan. they have already been caught telling thier ultra libs this. once they have thier foot in the door they will eventually kick it open. its gonna be so easy since they so vaguly worded the bill as they did. trust me fellas they didnt do that by mistake
its why they want it. do you really think they are just trying to be nice by doing this?
the only other reason would be for votes and this wasnt a big issue until they made it a big issue. non of the people were talking about it, it was only the polititions
do you find it just a coincidence that karl marx wrote that the first step to controlling people with socialism is to control thier health? you think its a coinsidence that liberl government all over the world have use this method?
i mean what more control could you have over somone if you control thier health?
its just one step away from deciding whether they should be shot or live depending on the rulers liking
its all control which gives them more money and power.
this is the only reason they are doing this and its weird cuz you are trying to help them enslave you.
dont do it!!man!
they will never have control on me either was cuz i pay my own way
never accept anything from anyone in prison.
do you know why? do it and you will find out why real quik
cuz then they can control you and say wait a min. i gave you my cookies and you ate them, then they have an excuse to beat the piss out of you if you do not comply, next thing you know you are sombodies bitch
so its like we are in prison and youe my celly and u keep saying yo man lets accept this food this guy wants to give us we are hungry and im like no dude do not take it, they will be hell to pay for this shit its not worth it.
and trust me it is never worth it. cuz what they want from you is much more than they will ever give you
purplekitty7772008
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sorry to get off subject....
but can someone help me.
I'm on youtube trying to watch some metallica vids, and there
is no sound....
My volume is up on my computer because I can listen to my itunes
just fine. Whats with this?
but can someone help me.
I'm on youtube trying to watch some metallica vids, and there
is no sound....
My volume is up on my computer because I can listen to my itunes
just fine. Whats with this?
Big P
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sorry to get off subject....
but can someone help me.
I'm on youtube trying to watch some metallica vids, and there
is no sound....
My volume is up on my computer because I can listen to my itunes
just fine. Whats with this?
my comp does that somtimes but the youtube video will also stop too when it does it.
it sometimes works again if you close all the explorer windows and reopen them
hanimmal
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For some reason I cannot get sound on Mozilla. So I just jump onto internet explorer to listen to stuff.
Edit: lol I just say your other post P, and I love the prison ref.
But I do think its coincidence.
I do see what you are saying, but really does it matter who controls the insurance company? As long as they don't screw with our care and give us what we need, screw it let them if they can do it for less.
I am all for the private sector being in control, but these bastards have proven they can't/won't do it right. And something needs to happen. Since I don't have enough money to make a difference I just have to hope that for the next couple decades this will work out, and something better can come along and replace it.
Edit: lol I just say your other post P, and I love the prison ref.
But I do think its coincidence.
I do see what you are saying, but really does it matter who controls the insurance company? As long as they don't screw with our care and give us what we need, screw it let them if they can do it for less.
I am all for the private sector being in control, but these bastards have proven they can't/won't do it right. And something needs to happen. Since I don't have enough money to make a difference I just have to hope that for the next couple decades this will work out, and something better can come along and replace it.
FilthyFletch
Mr I Can Do That For Half
http://wadesayswhat.wordpress.com/2009/08/21/no-death-panels-in-government-run-health-care-heres-the-video/
This is what happens when governemnt run health care gets low on money..Now multiple the amount of debt the federal gov is in and imagine them deciding your life needs
This is what happens when governemnt run health care gets low on money..Now multiple the amount of debt the federal gov is in and imagine them deciding your life needs
CrackerJax
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This may sound redundant, this may sound redundant.sorry to get off subject....
but can someone help me.
I'm on youtube trying to watch some metallica vids, and there
is no sound....
My volume is up on my computer because I can listen to my itunes
just fine. Whats with this?
Ahem, Have you checked the youtube video itself? It also has a volume slide and if it is off, then... no sound.
For the rest of you folks, if only spending was the answer to economic woes......heck we'd all be riding around on magic carpets if that was the case. Congress has no problem spending money.....never has.
It is WHAT you spend it on that counts.... spending it on govt. programs that will only add to the private sectors burden, with a built in schematic for off the scale govt. inflation no less is NOT the answwer. Obama has shown little interest in pulling the correct levers for economic prosperity. He has an agenda to attend to first (nice).
Obama suffers from a Presidential affliction which shows up every so often (too often).
Obama was BRILLIANT at BECOMING the President. BUT.......
Obama is not BRILLIANT at BEING the President.
jrh72582
Well-Known Member
WOW! I don't even know how to respond! You are as one-sided and blind as Medea. Bush was a great president - HA! You really think he had NO hand in ANYTHING bad whatsoever. Democrats are to blame for everything. Broken record. We've heard it. That's what Cracker's for - to play the same record over and over......
I mean, come on. Obama clearly has faults, but Bush is not pure angel, as you would have it. I mean, seriously.
Big P
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bush was no pure angel but u could see clearly in his eyes how much he loved this country
i can look into a mans eyes and see that,
if you look into my eyes the truth is there but I try to mask it and I do it well so you cant see my thoughts
i see obamas eyes, i see them. they are eyes of deception, eyes of mockery and snobery
look into bushs eyes, look into everyones eyes u can read the thoughts of many, if the eyes the do not reveal anything thats when one must worry
but even obama cant do this 100% of the time. niether can I but I do it most of the time. its very hard if your being recorded cuz we can rewind an evaluate
catch somone of gaurd when you know they are telling a lie. look closley and unflinchingly straight and deeply into thier eyes, and ask them again so they repeat the lie.
tell me if you can tell they are lieing. most people find it hard to lie if you are glaring at them like that, specially when caught off gaurd.
they have a very strong instict to avert thier eyes. even if they do not while they tell the lie. if they are lieing they will avert thier eyes as soon as they can after telling the. maybe even try to change the subject.
FilthyFletch
Mr I Can Do That For Half
Its true Bush was far from perfect but he did love this country and did everything he had power to do to protect it and keep its future safe which is the absolute opposite of what Obama has done and you can see his mal content just like his racist wife Michelle has. the eyes dont lie but Obama mouth sure does lol His approval fell again so it should be pretty easy to get him out next election
jrh72582
Well-Known Member
This statement merely shows your lack of understanding and experience. Ratings usually fall at this point. Look at Clinton - he got re-elected. You're forgetting the fickle nature of voters. They will vote based upon current circumstances. Do you really think someone voting in 2012 will say, "well, his polls were low three years ago........so I'm voting for the other guy". It all depends on the situation in three years and it's certainly swinging Obama's way.
Do you really think that he won't get re-elected if his policies DO work (and they ARE working)? By the first quarter of 2010, the recession will officially be called to an end (they will see that it actually ended earlier, but can only know in hindsight), the economy will improve, our standing among foreign countries will improve, our soldiers will no longer be dying in Iraq, Afghanistan will be solidified. I really do think he will get re-elected.
Remember, love for country ALONE cannot make you a good president. Bush may well have loved the country, but his decisions were fucking stupid. He was an idiot, plain and simple. Yeah, he loved his country, but that's his only virtue. Otherwise, he was the epitome of evil. He boosted the terror alert level just to scare the people and take away liberties. Right before the 2004 election, he jacked em up in order to fear monger and tighten his grip on the American people (new findings - hard evidence, look it up). He worried only about Iraq to get revenge for his daddy and forgot about this thing called the economy. He let everything sink down and remember, he was the first to begin the massive bailouts. The FIRST! He caused this mess and Obama is cleaning it up. He's doing a good job as well - it's clearly working.
CrackerJax
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Bush didn't run by polls..... he ran on what he thought (and many others) was best for the country. There's the difference between him and Clinton. Clinton's constant attention to his popularity froze his foreign policy when the decisions got tough.
Clinton's weakness demanded a strong president follow him. We got one.
Clinton's weakness demanded a strong president follow him. We got one.
jrh72582
Well-Known Member
Actually, didn't Bush state that he based his opinions were based upon advice from God? He would pray and make decisions based upon some kind of 'answer'. Let me find it.......
Meanwhile, begin insulting me. I wouldn't want you to change you MO.
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