who knows the strain with the best quality to yield ratio? ideas?

funnymunny11

Active Member
First off, thanks for checkin out the thread and for any valuable input you may add.

I have a good amount of experience but have never ordered seeds online - I got mine from someone who did tho but had no choice in strain selection

It will be my first time ordering seeds online and I am looking to spend my money the best way I can

Here's the qualities I'm looking for:

- Feminized
- medium high to rediculous yield
- Preferably an indica only because I want something with a medium flowering time (Haze and sativa tend to take longer to mature)

I am considering Cheese, Dutch passion power plant, and northern lights but I wanna hear what you think from your own experiences. Please include the breeder and sight you got them from so I can buy them I i like what you have to say
 

Cyproz

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i know you want femenized but if you just learn to clone youll have so many more strain options for yourself. i started with femmed but really you can buy much cheaper non femmed and you will geta female. i havent heard of many people getting all male
 

Hobbes

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Cheese by Big Bhudda is suppose to be quite good, and their feminized seeds rather stable.

http://www.pickandmixseeds.co.uk/products/big-buddha-cheese

Pick n Mix is excellent for getting feminized singles. Great company.

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Any strain by any of these breeders will be good, just look for the characteristics you want.

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Dr Greenthumb has feminized (S1) seeds for cheese from the original clone. Will be different than Big Bhuddas, as close to the UK clone as you can get from seed. Great breeder, great company.

http://www.drgreenthumb.com/cannabis_seeds_GreenthumbSeedsEntrance.htm

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About your Power Plant S1 from Dutch Passion:

If you're doing feminized stay away from Dutch Passion's seeds. They have a bad reputation for hermieing, 3 for 3 of mine hermied, other forum members said they're Dutch Passion feminized hermied. Have I been too subtle with the message?

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Northern Lights is a great strain, a rock. Fantastic stone, great yielder, fair potency, quick flower period, rock solid stability, could be grown in toxic soup and still produce sweet bud. And to kick it off NL strains are low odor while growing. Short, thick, juicy buds.

PeakSeedsBC has a great Northern Lights. I still have a mother for a clone that I got ~2.5 oz off a 22" plant. Very tollerant of grower mistakes. All of Peaks strains are great and they have the best prices on the net. 4.5/5 stars on Green Man's page.

http://www.peakseedsbc.com/seeds.htm

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Other breeders/strains to look at:

Dr Greenthumb (any strain) - Endless Sky: 6 week flowering, super potent, high yield.

http://www.drgreenthumb.com/cannabis_seeds_GreenthumbSeedsEntrance.htm

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Jack The Ripper - Subcool (any strain by Subcool) - best 8 week sativa in da woold, super duper potent.

http://www.cannaseur.com/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&page=shop.browse&category_id=9&Itemid=36

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Elite Genetics (pick pretty much anything) - Double dipped Sour Banana, Lemon Larry, Super Strawberry Diesel, etc ...

http://elitegenetics.webs.com/list.htm

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F13 - DJ Short (any strain)

http://www.hempdepot.ca/seeds/dj_short/F13.html

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Serious Seeds (any strain) - Chronic will be the biggest yielder of primo indica bud, all the others amazing (AK47 and White Russian need odor control, Kali Mist takes 14 weeks flower, Bubblegum is fairly potent and tasty.)

http://www.cannabis-seeds-bank.co.uk/serious-seeds/cat_6.html

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Check out this thread on feminized seeds hermieing:

https://www.rollitup.org/seed-strain-reviews/182247-feminized-seeds-hermie-test-14-a.html

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bongsmilie
 

trapper

Well-Known Member
juicy fruit has a strain called heavy duty fruity,it looks like juicy fruit with out the flavor but grows huge might even be juicy fruit,just cut one,ready in 8.critical mass dont know who makes it.you can find some huge NL#5 phenotypes ready in 45 days.theirs a strain called bc big bud that is huge and fast flowering,lot of cash croppers grow it around here.
 

funnymunny11

Active Member
Damn thanks a lot Hobbes! Talk about a one stop shop! You just gave me everything I was looking for in one post. + rep for ya man

I looked at everything and daayyum, you can't beat the prices at PeakseedsBC... it looks legit too. I wanna avoid making multiple orders so I think I'm just gonna pick a few strains from them and hope everything works out. Everything seems descrete and confidential but do you think i'd be fine having them shipped to my house in my name? I was planning on sending them somewhere else but since I won't have a tracking number or a good time estimate on when they'll be coming, I am more hesitant to do that. I'm open to advice and I appreciate it!!
 

Thebiglungblowski

Well-Known Member
use your real name.. i did... be patient with them.. but they are solid! great product!. i have the northern skunk as well as their blueberry
 

Hobbes

Well-Known Member
Ditto on what Blowski said.

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"Everything seems descrete and confidential but do you think i'd be fine having them shipped to my house in my name?"

Absolutely, unless you're from the US - then most likely. Very discrete envelope.

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"I was planning on sending them somewhere else but since I won't have a tracking number or a good time estimate on when they'll be coming, I am more hesitant to do that."

It all depends on where you live, but I've never heard of anyone's grow getting busted because of a seed purchase.

Here's a thread with some tracking I did on a Peak order, a post on the last page describes the packaging envelope:

https://www.rollitup.org/seed-strain-reviews/171090-delivery-test-pick-n-mix.html


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One thing about Peak's strains - I've grown Skunkberry, Northern Lights and Northern Berry and I've enjoyed all three strains, enough to have Blueberry and Skunk seeds waiting to grow - but I didn't find them to be knock out potent. If you want: easy to grow; forgiving; high yielding; tastey; rock solid stability - and moderate potency is acceptable - then Peak is for you.

If you really need potency (tolerance build up like me) then Subcool or Elite might be better choices out of the breeders I mentioned - pick any strain from either breeder, check for the characteristics you want. Or look at high potency strains like Endless Sky - Dr Greenthumb; White Widow - (pick your breeder, lots of good stuff, I like Seedsman for the sativa dominant high); or AK47 / White Russian - Serious seeds.

Not to talk you out of Peak's beans, because they're excellent, just to give you a heads up on how I found the potency.

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bongsmilie
 

Hobbes

Well-Known Member
Spectrums of Experience

DJ Short


The first spectrum to consider is the "up and down". "Up" refers to the stimulating aspects of cannabis, while "down" refers to sedative qualities. Up pot tends to liven the disposition and stimulate the emotions, inspiring sociability and talkativeness. Down pot tends to produce sedative and depressant effects. Some people refer to stimulating pot as being a "head" high and sedative pot as being a "body" high, yet although partially true this is also misleading.

Body and head highs are the next spectrum of the cannabis experience. Generally speaking, head highs are stimulating and body highs are sedative, but not all are. Some body highs are stimulating and some head highs are depressing. I once sampled a terribly paranoia-inducing head pot that inspired great couch lock qualities. I called it Boo-Goo.

Early to late harvest will affect the head to body spectrum expressed by a certain plant, with the later harvest tending to produce more body and sedative effects. However, I believe that certain aspects of this spectrum to be genetically inherited.

Next to consider are aspects of duration. Some cannabis tends to be short-acting (15-30min) whereas other varieties last much longer (6-7 hours). Once again production, harvesting and curing techniques can influence aspects of this spectrum, but much of this effect is inherited.

For me, the most important aspect of the cannabis experience to consider is tolerance. This refers to the product's ability to provide the same experience via the same amount over time – the burnout factor. By "over time" I mean the long run: months, years, decades...

Most of the cannabis I see on the market today has a terrible tolerance factor – a quick burnout time with the product's novelty lasting less than a week. Luther Burbank's model of breeding needs to be employed here and no expression of tolerance to your product is to be tolerated. An example of where intolerance to tolerance is tolerated – enough already!

Another aspect of tolerance is "ceiling." This refers to how high (or far) one is capable of going with the variety. How many hits can you consume until more hits are unnoticeable? Most indicas have a low ceiling of less than 10 hits. For me that's usually around 5 hits in one smoking session. If I smoke more than 5 hits of a strong indica I will either not notice the post-ceiling hits, or I will fall asleep.

Some sativas have a very high ceiling, or seem to have none at all! This means that the more you consume, the higher and further you go. Oaxaca Highland Gold, Black Magic African, and Highland Thai were some of the herbs I've tried with very high or no ceiling.

The final aspect of mental effects to consider when sampling strains for breeding is the tendency to produce anxiety. Certain strains of cannabis increase anxiety while others decrease it. This is also true for other emotions, which some strains may suppress while others may augment their intensity. Generally stimulating and head varieties are the ones that can produce unwanted anxiety, but this is not always the case. Quickly cured buds or an over-early harvest are contributing factors to anxiety-increasing pot, but this trait is also genetic in nature.

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bongsmilie
 

Thebiglungblowski

Well-Known Member
What can you tell me about subcool Hobbes?! I do find that i have a high tolerance and i would like something that stands out from the crowd.
 

Hobbes

Well-Known Member
Hey Blowski!

Subcool is part of a group of medical strain breeders called The Green Avengers (TGA). They breed potent strains for the medical community, the breeding and seeds are of the highest quality, the cost is below average.

TGA has a decent effect description at their Seed banks for each strain, so we have an idea of what the high/stone will be like. Subcool is a writer for Hightimes and other such publications, he wrote a great ... article(?) ... on the Cannabis Cup, a real eye opener. He's also written a book: Dank: The Quest for the very best Marijuana - A Breeder's Tale.

http://www.weedbay.net/comments.php?catid=1&shownews=459

Each of TGA's strains has a distinct and very pronounced taste, ie: Querkle - a strong grape taste in a purple plant that will knock you out. Agent Orange a strong peanut taste, Jack The Ripper - lemon, etc. The taste characteristics are more consistent with each seed than with strains like Blueberry or Strawberry Cough crosses.

They sell through two main seedbanks, the (Cannaseur / Bidzbay / Breedbay) bank and Hemp Depot. My first order was through the Bidzbay section, I had to mail in the payment because I live outside the UK, the process was somewhat confusing and the invoice emailed to me days late. But I got my payment off, it's been accepted and the beans are in the air. I'll order from them again.

http://www.cannaseur.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=44&category_id=9&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=36

http://www.hempdepot.ca/seeds/TGA/index.htm

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Jack The Ripper is his flagship strain with incredible potency (an 8 week sativa), Jillybean is highly regarded, ... read through the effect descriptions, amazing. The reviews of his strains are consistantly positive to the point of worship. I'm just being fair though.

Bottom line, with a trustworthy, established, breeder like Subcool (TGA), who are specializing in medical strains for patients we have a great chance of getting a phenomenal plant the first grow. I choose Jack The Ripper (his most potent strain), Pandora's Box (a JTR cross that causes hysterical laughter), and Jillybean by Mz Jill (reviewed incredibly well).

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Smoke Report
https://www.rollitup.org/smoke-reports/163889-agent-orange-tga-subcool-hemp.html


Some old reviews, not all strains

http://www.mjguide.com/modules.php?name=Strainguide

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bongsmilie
 

Dan Kone

Well-Known Member
Cheese by Big Bhudda is suppose to be quite good, and their feminized seeds rather stable.

http://www.pickandmixseeds.co.uk/products/big-buddha-cheese
Just FYI - BB Cheese is hard to grow. Every other stain I've got is healthy as can be except this one. It get's heat damage @ anything above 70 degree's. It very sensitive to over/under watering. Gets nut burn easy.

It's still growing at an average speed, but no matter how much special treatment I give them they always look sick!

Sorta reminds me of my ex. No matter how much special attention I give her, she still complains.
 

Hobbes

Well-Known Member
Thanks Dan, good info! Was your's from a fem seed? I've got a fem BB Cheese seed waiting to germ (far back in the line now) - BB wrote that they had members of their crew smoke their Cheese every day for 3 years, no other strain, and they found no tollerance build up. A big plus, if the things will grow.

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bongsmilie
 

Dutch1976

Well-Known Member
Don't believe the hype about Dutch Passion fems turning hermie. DP's Blueberry fem is legendary.

Right now I'm still on Sensi Seeds fems cuz their SuperSkunk and Skunk#1 are cheap and you get ten seeds instead of five.
 

pinkus

New Member
PeakSeedsBC has a great Northern Lights. I still have a mother for a clone that I got ~2.5 oz off a 22" plant. Very tollerant of grower mistakes. All of Peaks strains are great and they have the best prices on the net. 4.5/5 stars on Green Man's page.

http://www.peakseedsbc.com/seeds.htm

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Thanks Hobbes, I told someone peak's NL was probably good. Now I KNOW. I really want a good nl mom for those friends of mine that need a indica stone. Or me when I just want to watch TV. I used to run sensi's NL back in the late 80s....it was so stable I let one go for like 20 days extra to get male flowers~nada.
 

Dan Kone

Well-Known Member
Thanks Dan, good info! Was your's from a fem seed?
No. Mine are from some deadhead in Arcata.

I've got a fem BB Cheese seed waiting to germ (far back in the line now) - BB wrote that they had members of their crew smoke their Cheese every day for 3 years, no other strain, and they found no tollerance build up. A big plus, if the things will grow.

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bongsmilie
Yeah. The guy who I got mine from said they produced great bud. They just require constant maintenance. I've only got two of them (+ a few cuttings I took waiting to root). On the exact same feeding regiments and conditions one has nut burn and the other a nitro deficiency. They are both pissed at me right now for hitting them with neem oil. They are my only two plants with any sort problems.

However they are both getting decent size and are very bushy. They are pretty much identical to my NL5, bigger than any of my trainwrecks. (all of them the same age, same conditions, similar feeding).

If you are just going to grow a few of them it could be way worth it. However I could see growing a hydro tray full BB Cheese being an absolute nightmere.
 

pinkus

New Member
Hey ya'll....this is hard to say, because I don't want it to sound like a slam. But Subcool has said in a couple of threads that he does not breed for yield. TGA breeds for potency and other qualities. THat said I've heard agent orange is a pretty good yielder along with some others.

cronic is meant for big yields and quality. you'll get more yeild and very good bud. Not as good as a sub strain I'm guessing
 

Dan Kone

Well-Known Member
Thanks Dan, good info! Was your's from a fem seed? I've got a fem BB Cheese seed waiting to germ (far back in the line now) - BB wrote that they had members of their crew smoke their Cheese every day for 3 years, no other strain, and they found no tollerance build up. A big plus, if the things will grow.

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bongsmilie
Turns out all my complaining about BB Cheese paid off! For the first time they are now healthy as can be!
 

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