which myco product is better great white or white widow?'s ?'s?'s

dude w/63 post I would never take your advice for anything and I really do not need your help at all nor did I ask for anyones HELP just opinions. And why would I not be worried about spending extra$ because my yields are amazing... If you only knew....fucking douche bag

and after going through your profile I realize you are always being a ass and never helping others...wut are you talking about the? the type of person I am....gzzz people like you just need to stop posting.

wow

As a lurker, i don't post much, but I had to reply here for 2 reasons.

1. I wanted to suggest Mycogrow soluble from Stamets company Fungi Perfecti as an alternative to the products you (or others reading this with the same question) are looking at. Paul is a good man and his products are inexpensive and effective. Might save you a few bucks.

Endomycorrhizal fungiGlomus intraradices, Glomus mosseae, Glomus aggregatum, Glomus clarum, Glomus deserticola, Glomus etunicatum, Gigaspora margarita, Gigaspora brasilianum, Gigaspora monosporum

Ectomycorrhizal fungiRhizopogon villosullus, Rhizopogon luteolus, Rhizopogon amylopogon, Rhizopogon fulvigleba, Pisolithus tinctorius, Laccaria bicolor, Laccaria laccata, Scleroderma cepa, Scleroderma citrinum, Suillus granulatas, Suillus punctatapies

TrichodermaTrichoderma harzianum, Trichoderma konigii

Beneficial BacteriaBacillus subtillus, Bacillus licheniformis, Bacillus azotoformans, Bacillus megaterium, Bacillus coagulans, Bacillus pumlis, Bacillus thuringiensis, Bacillus stearothermiphilis, Paenibacillus polymyxa, Paenibacillus durum, Paenibacillus florescence, Paenibacillus gordonae, Azotobacter polymyxa, Azotobacter chroococcum, Sacchromyces cervisiae, Streptomyces griseues, Streptomyces lydicus, Pseudomonas aureofaceans, Deinococcus erythromyxa


2. You are acting like a troll and being an ass, stopit. You will catch more flies with honey than vinegar.

wytboi420 said:

wow

As a lurker, i don't post much, but I had to reply here for 2 reasons.

1. I wanted to suggest Mycogrow soluble from Stamets company Fungi Perfecti as an alternative to the products you (or others reading this with the same question) are looking at. Paul is a good man and his products are inexpensive and effective. Might save you a few bucks.

Endomycorrhizal fungiGlomus intraradices, Glomus mosseae, Glomus aggregatum, Glomus clarum, Glomus deserticola, Glomus etunicatum, Gigaspora margarita, Gigaspora brasilianum, Gigaspora monosporum

Ectomycorrhizal fungiRhizopogon villosullus, Rhizopogon luteolus, Rhizopogon amylopogon, Rhizopogon fulvigleba, Pisolithus tinctorius, Laccaria bicolor, Laccaria laccata, Scleroderma cepa, Scleroderma citrinum, Suillus granulatas, Suillus punctatapies

TrichodermaTrichoderma harzianum, Trichoderma konigii

Beneficial BacteriaBacillus subtillus, Bacillus licheniformis, Bacillus azotoformans, Bacillus megaterium, Bacillus coagulans, Bacillus pumlis, Bacillus thuringiensis, Bacillus stearothermiphilis, Paenibacillus polymyxa, Paenibacillus durum, Paenibacillus florescence, Paenibacillus gordonae, Azotobacter polymyxa, Azotobacter chroococcum, Sacchromyces cervisiae, Streptomyces griseues, Streptomyces lydicus, Pseudomonas aureofaceans, Deinococcus erythromyxa


2. You are acting like a troll and being an ass, stopit. You will catch more flies with honey than vinegar.

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I have been using mycrogrow soluble for about a year now to make my microbe tea. I find it to be of excellent quality and very much worth the price, since it is the cheapest and most diverse product I have found. Also fungi.com has fast shipping as well.

Heis, what are you opinions on the roots organics oregonism xl? They seem to have all the products in one and are the cheapest at under $50 for a LB. I am going to try your famous tea and want the cheapest all in one myco product. I was going to get the mycogro for the tea but i dunno now.

And now I read that the Humboldt myco madness soluble has18 species of myco 19 bacteria, and 2 trichoderma Thats more species then the mycogro (which I just got a lb of) does that mean its better?

well it seems some catalogs and some websites say they have 18 species of myco and some say 8(humboldts website being one). im starting to think the 18 is a typo and its really 8, like their website says. But it does also say it contains Alaskan humus and EWC which we use for the tea. Is it possible that this is all we would need to brew the tea?

Heisenberg I know your out there come on I need a professional opinion

Bacteria:
Bacillus licheniformis………………….……….…372 million cfu/lb
Bacillus azotoformans……………..…….………372 million cfu/lb
Bacillus megaterium.…………..…..……..….….372 million cfu/lb
Bacillus coagulans,…….…………………………372 million cfu/lb
Bacillus pumilis…………..…….………………….372 million cfu/lb
Bacillus thuringiensis…………..………………….372 million cfu/lb
Bacillus stearothermiphillis…….………………….372 million cfu/lb
Paenibacillus polymyxa….…………..…………….372 million cfu/lb
Paenibacillus durum…………………..…………….372 million cfu/lb
Paenibacillus florescence..………….………..….372 million cfu/lb
Paenibacillus gordonae…..………….…………….372 million cfu/lb
Azotobacter polymxa………………….………..….372 million cfu/lb
Azotobacter chroococcum……………………..….372 million cfu/lb
Sacchromyces cervisiae………………………..….372 million cfu/lb
Pseudomonas aureofaceans…………………..….372 million cfu/lb
Mycorrhiza:
Endomycorrhizal/cc
Glomus intraradices……………….……..…1,135 propagules per lb
Glomas mosseae……………………………1,135 propagules per lb
Glomas aggregatum………………………..1,135 propagules per lb
Glomus entunicatum……………..…………1,135 propagules per lb
Glomus clarum………………….………..….1,135 propagules per lb
Glomus deserticola….………………………1,135 propagules per lb
Gigaspora margarita………..………………1,135 propagules per lb
Gigaspora brasilianum………..….…………1,135 propagules per lb
Gigaspora monosporum………….…………1,135 propagules per lb
Trichoderma:
Trichoderma harzianum……….….150 million propagules per lb
Trichoderma konigii………..……….150 million propagules per lb
CONTAINS NON PLANT FOOD INGREDIENTS:
9.5% Humic acids (derived from Leonardite)
5% Alaskan humus, 5% worm castings
3% glucose

copy and paste straight from Humboldt's website


Humboldt Nutrients MycoMadness
Humboldt Nutrients Myco Madness contains a bio-stimulant package, 18 mycorrhizal species, 19 beneficial bacteria and 2 Trichoderma species well-suited to a variety of media, soil conditions, climates, and plants.

copy and paste from american garden supply. Confusing if you ask me...

I feel like I speak Chinese on this forum for the past two weeks. bump it

mr. green thumb 01 said:

dude w/63 post I would never take your advice for anything and I really do not need your help at all nor did I ask for anyones HELP just opinions. And why would I not be worried about spending extra$ because my yields are amazing... If you only knew....fucking douche bag

and after going through your profile I realize you are always being a ass and never helping others...wut are you talking about the? the type of person I am....gzzz people like you just need to stop posting.

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bro i aint hating on u or anyone else in this argumentitive thread, but just because someone only has 63 posts doesnt mean that they havent grown for years before they joined RIU.

anyway, yes i have used great white and love it. i also use roots excelerator in conjunction. im amazed with the performance but to tell u the truth idk if its the RE or the GW thats giving me the kick ass roots, or if its both. all i know is the combination is working great for me and i aint changin it!! peace

LOL... you guys and your spore counts.

it really doesn't matter how many types you have. If just one type increases root mass and protects from disease then what is the point in having two types that do the same thing? commercialisation as usual trumps good sense. In terms of mycorrhizae all you need is VAM. these guys sit in the top 3 inches of soil (or coco) converting atmospheric nitrogen, protecting from pathogens and holding onto water.

that's it.

check out organicmicrobes.com they sell two products, one is a mycorrhizae supplement and the other is a bacteria supplement called Venom that actively seeks out solidified P and K and breaks them down again. these bacteria will actually break down solid rock. so salt build ups are less likely, and they say that using both products should result in the need for 25% less nutrient supplementation.

A very experienced grower that I know did a comparison of the two in conjunction with Roots Excelerator. Alone, neither was giving him the results he was after. With RE, he swears by White Widow. He couldn't tell me which was better without RE. I plan to combine with RE on my next grow, but chose GW because WW does not have Bacillus Subtilis. Also, the 4 oz. bottle was $15 cheaper than the WW. This was just earlier today.

mr. green thumb 01 said:

the subculture b seemed to work fine but I swear everytime I added the M slim went crazy I dont know if its the kelp meal from ascophyllum nodosum or the humic acid from leonardite but my res wasnt liking something that stuff had. Do mycos expire in the package? Maybe I will try the sub B for my bacillius and white widow for myco because it dosnt have the ecto myco which it not useful in our application correct? I tried to get the EWC just to try the tea but couldnt find the ancient forest jus some bs reg ewc and if I do it im a do it right. Plus the aquashield the guy had at my store was over yr n a half old and it says it only last for a year so I just passed. And im not really worried about the $ just simplicity and effectiveness.

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Humbolts myco madness is way better than great white or white widow

ecto is preditory and chooses no sides so i choose to use a myco additive that has no ecto like root bloom from primoridal solutions made by benificial biologies

a healthy eco system does not need ecto

"85% of plant species form a relationship with endomycorrhizae, whereas only 10% form a relationship with Ectomycorrhizae (and most of these are trees)"

I bought Oregonism to make Heisenberg's tea and it's worked very well. My root growth has been excellent ever since I started using the tea. I alse used Little Wigglers EWC instead of AF because that's all they had at the store I went to.

I use voodoo juice and great white (both seperately) and both work equally well. I like voodoo bit better because of liquid form.

stak said:

stick with the Great White. It's the most expensive and since you like wasting money it will get you there the fastest.

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THis is not true LOL Voodoo juice is the most expensive but hey apparenelty you dont' know wtf you are taling about. Great white has saved me a shit load of money, and you can brew the ever so awesome tea. but hey keep the narrow minded view and dont' search thing before you speak. seem to work out great for you.

Unless you have a bottomless pockets full of money! Voodoo isnt a good choice, great white or myco madness are cheap
And will blow away any an voodoo shit

kilo810 said:

THis is not true LOL Voodoo juice is the most expensive but hey apparenelty you dont' know wtf you are taling about. Great white has saved me a shit load of money, and you can brew the ever so awesome tea. but hey keep the narrow minded view and dont' search thing before you speak. seem to work out great for you.

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since you don't know what was going on and the reason for that post maybe you should just mind your own business.

Heisenberg said:

I have heard similar complaints about the sub-m from GH, although not recently. One advantage of the tea is that all those materials which are meant to be 'food' for the microbes get completely broken down before going into the res, which prevents the slime from eating it first. You are correct that ectomycorrhizae does not benefit cannabis, however in DWC that fact is negligible. In soil there is concern that the ectos might displace the endos, but main reason to add microbes to a DWC is to displace harmful slime, so we do not care which type of fungus achieves this. (remember they both compete with trichoderma, which is much more aggressive) There is no real benefit from tailoring your microbes in DWC, so long as they keep away slime and stimulate the roots. Diversity is the key.

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If ectomycorhrizae are not beneficial to cannabis, why is it in piranha, a plant specific product by advanced nutrients?

HerbalPrincess said:

If ectomycorhrizae are not beneficial to cannabis, why is it in piranha, a plant specific product by advanced nutrients?

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Great question. Perhaps someone should ask AN.

Over 80% of all plant species (including those from the Cannabis genus) can ONLY form a relationship with ENDOMYCORRHIZAE (AM). Adding ectomycorrhizae to your cannabis will not benefit it, because cannabis plants (like most plants) cannot form a symbiotic relationship with ectomycorrhizae. In fact, when trying to inoculate plants with AM and ectomycorrhizae (like with products such as Great White, Piranha, Myco Madness, and Oregonism), the formation of ectomycorrhizae prevents AM from creating symbiotic bonds with the host plant:

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https://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/450781-great-mycorrhizae-myth.html

Also, going by my experience with people fighting root slime in DWC, AN microbe products tend to make things worse, with the exception of voodoo, which is simply overpriced by a factor of 10.