Which event this week will have a longer term effect on the US, Republicans losing in Georgia or

Listening to a podcast on the site, Five thirty eight


One of the panel of speakers brought up an interesting and perhaps hopeful point. In the long term, the Georgia elections may have been the larger event than the horrible one triggered by Trump's violence-charged refusal to accept a loss on Nov. 3.

What he said was, by winning the election in Georgia, control of the Senate shifts to Democrats, which clears the path for Biden to form the cabinet of his own choosing, enables him to make judicial appointments that will have a chance of passing and getting business done that they want to see done. The obstruction of McConnell will drop down to his use of the filibuster, which is not insignificant. Also, the senators are not just Blue Dog Democrats but liberal Democrats. It represents a big change for Georgia and is perhaps a harbinger for the kind of shift in politics that have long been predicted to come with our country's changing demographics.

On the other hand, the sacking of our Capitol building by Trump's Radical Authoritarian supporters represents a change in norms keep following the trend toward despotism and an anti-democratic grasp at power by white ethno-nationalists who have no respect for the rule of law. A fraying of the body politic. It may mean the break-up of the Republican Party with a large number of people in congress who support the call for overturning the election based upon rhetoric alone.

So, what do others here believe which was the most significant.

Personally, I think that the Georgia wins in the Senate runoff election will have the longest effect. Assuming that this country survives the next 12 days that Trump has to do more dirty deeds. The wheels of Congress will start turning, though in fits and starts. The spectre of Trumped-up investigations by a Republian Senate will be eliminated. Democrats will be able to introduce important legislation to the floor of the Senate for debate. Biden's choices for presidential appointees will not be automatically rejected.

So very positive news came out this week. Smoke em when you have em.

It was a sad day for the country but essentially what we witnessed was the death throes of the trump movement. We knew it was going to be messy but the country will move on.

Winning the Senate seats in Georgia could be the most significant event for the country in the past century.

Winning control of the investigative and legislative agenda will have the most profound and lasting effect, a major victory in the strategic fight. The sacking and attacking of the Capital and congress will have a big impact on the tactical fight and help with the legislative agenda. The armed and violent right is in serious trouble now and if they attempt anything before or around inauguration day the feds will be ready. The violent insurrection is just what the congress and national security community needed to jump on these assholes with both feet. I would expect the domestic disinformation system is gonna take a major hit after this OAN and Newsmax along with social media. Hundreds of them will be disarmed, in prison or on a terrorist watch list by this time next year.

There appeared to be armed people among them with a plan to kidnap the congressional leadership and hold them hostage. There is gonna be a very deep investigation of all aspects of this fiasco and everybody who showed up on capital hill is gonna be identified. I'd look for a split in the republican party and regulation of social media and broadcast media as long term consequences. Domestic terrorism & hate crime laws, police reform and a shift in the focus of the national security and federal law enforcement communities to the right wing terrorists. I'd also look for a purge of law enforcement at all levels of those elements who support or identify with these losers.

BLM and now so do congressional ones since the failure and apparent complicity of some of the capital police in the sacking of the capital. Nothing will drive home the fact of police bias like what happened on the hill and nothing will drive major change and police reform like what happened on the 6th. Both things together will lead to more change than either in isolation, it might be a case of 2+2=6 not 4, one event will drive and empower the other.

Say hello to the republicans new mascot and public image, this fucking madman and heathen. This moron is now the face of the GOP and will be for quite some time, they own this fucker.

DIY-HP-LED said:

Say hello to the republicans new mascot and public image, this fucking madman and heathen. This moron is now the face of the GOP and will be for quite some time, they own this fucker.
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You criticise him for not being part of a major religion?
Why is that important here?

zeddd said:

You criticise him for not being part of a major religion?
Why is that important here?

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Creative license, heathen in this instance describes a lunatic, technically I'm a heathen myself (in the traditional sense). I kinda like the word and wanna see it recontextualized to describe Trumpers or those who are bigoted against others based on ethnicity or religion. Same as recontextualizing the term sexual deviant to describe those with an abnormal interest in the sex lives of others, not in the sexual preferences or identities of others, unless it involves victimization.

DIY-HP-LED said:

Creative license, heathen in this instance describes a lunatic, technically I'm a heathen myself (in the traditional sense). I kinda like the word and wanna see it recontextualized to describe Trumpers or those who are bigoted against others based on ethnicity or religion. Same as recontextualizing the term sexual deviant to describe those with an abnormal interest in the sex lives of others, not in the sexual preferences or identities of others, unless it involves victimization.

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Interesting circular argument; you are against religious bigots yet you use bigotry in your assessment of others eg Heathen.

zeddd said:

Interesting circular argument; you are against religious bigots yet you use bigotry in your assessment of others eg Heathen.

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Words are important, look at how the right recontextualized the word liberal to become almost a curse word to some Americans. Liberal means to believe in freedom under a constitution and the rule of law, it is the only way for multicultural and multiethnic modern societies to exist. It is a democratic historical process that has lead to equal rights and responsible government and is an idea that has taken hold globally. Hatred, greed, ignorance and stupidity are the usual suspects in fucking up the more perfect union thing.

DIY-HP-LED said:

Words are important, look at how the right recontextualized the word liberal to become almost a curse word to some Americans. Liberal means to believe in freedom under a constitution and the rule of law, it is the only way for multicultural and multiethnic modern societies to exist. It is a democratic historical process that has lead to equal rights and responsible government and is an idea that has taken hold globally. Hatred, greed, ignorance and stupidity are the usual suspects in fucking up the more perfect union thing.

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You seem to project often, I say this because when I mentioned that I am ethnically Indian and experience racism you said I should leave the country of my birth and go back to India. Then you accuse me of being a subject of the Queen, whom you regard as a nice old lady, your incongruous thoughts belie your bias, which you so obviously psychologically project.

zeddd said:

You seem to project often, I say this because when I mentioned that I am ethnically Indian and experience racism you said I should leave the country of my birth and go back to India. Then you accuse me of being a subject of the Queen, whom you regard as a nice old lady, your incongruous thoughts belie your bias, which you so obviously psychologically project.

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Don't let it bother you, it's not important.

DIY-HP-LED said:

Don't let it bother you, it's not important.

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What isn’t important?

zeddd said:

What isn’t important?

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Not to me, managing your emotions is your business

DIY-HP-LED said:

Say hello to the republicans new mascot and public image, this fucking madman and heathen. This moron is now the face of the GOP and will be for quite some time, they own this fucker.
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I’m hoping Johnny becomes the new face. I think he’ll be easy to work with than Moscow mitch

I'm hoping the deplorables antics will leave a bag taste in some conservatives mouths. The 30% give or take of the nutcases will be out voted if the fence leaners lean a bit left. Or some ronnie raygun fans want to pull the power back towards the center a bit. And hey minority voters found power again. They may continue. Maybe trumpkins will create a new party. Either way the gop is screwed.

The only good thing Reagan ever did was work well with chimps.

DIY-HP-LED said:

Words are important, look at how the right recontextualized the word liberal to become almost a curse word to some Americans. Liberal means to believe in freedom under a constitution and the rule of law, it is the only way for multicultural and multiethnic modern societies to exist. It is a democratic historical process that has lead to equal rights and responsible government and is an idea that has taken hold globally. Hatred, greed, ignorance and stupidity are the usual suspects in fucking up the more perfect union thing.

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This whole admin runs the mind game the military does. Dehumanizing others to make hating easier. Liberals by nature don't want to control others. Conservatives do. Different wiring in the brain. A study recently that I read saw a correlation between alphas and trump loyalty. Some types are attracted to certain types. Rush limberger and others found these followers on radio before the internet. They won't change.

captainmorgan said:

The only good thing Reagan ever did was work well with chimps.

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But he was still a terrible actor.

dandyrandy said:

But he was still a terrible actor.

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Definitely, but the chimps liked him. But he's the reason there are so many tRUmptards running the streets, he closed all the nut houses.

dandyrandy said:

I'm hoping the deplorables antics will leave a bag taste in some conservatives mouths. The 30% give or take of the nutcases will be out voted if the fence leaners lean a bit left. Or some ronnie raygun fans want to pull the power back towards the center a bit. And hey minority voters found power again. They may continue. Maybe trumpkins will create a new party. Either way the gop is screwed.

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All those older ones will leave soon. Hopefully not to be replaced with younger radicals.
There needs to be more Adam Kinzingers out there somewhere.

dandyrandy said:

This whole admin runs the mind game the military does. Dehumanizing others to make hating easier. Liberals by nature don't want to control others. Conservatives do. Different wiring in the brain. A study recently that I read saw a correlation between alphas and trump loyalty. Some types are attracted to certain types. Rush limberger and others found these followers on radio before the internet. They won't change.

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Republican Party always seemed to me to be more radical authoritarian than conservative. The true fiscal conservatives (small govt, no debt, low regulations, unregulated markets, etc.) never got much traction with voters and the ones who won office did so by appealing to "social conservatives", which is just another name for evangelist Christians who aren't one bit conservative. That kind only gave lip service to fiscal conservative ideals.