Which breeders carry the most stable strains and which strains are they?

I want to know who carries the most stabilised strains. I don't want any F1's. I'm a dog breeder by hobby, so I studied genetics and applied my knowledge to breeding plants as well. I'm not a trained scientist. But all it takes to be a scientist ... is to do some science.

So I enjoy breeding. But I don't enjoy hermies. F1's carry more hermies. I need some IBL's and BX's.

So ... best breeders and their most stable strains? Please.

Mr. Diamond

tom hill you got to go to seedboutique.com as they don't sell them at attitude but both his x18 and deep chunk are IBL's other than that skunk #1 and northern lights are IBL's.

please explain bx's? Ive been following diamonds posts about seeds like a lost puppy!

Alpine seeds has Elite's Lemon Larry in an IBL, they also have a Sweet Tooth 3 bx2. Also, I grew out 6 of SoCal seeds' VGH OG F2 (tahoe x chem d) and they all looked identical except for one chem d dom one, got one female out of six (not the chem d dom one), still waiting for it to finish flowering.

VTMi'kmaq said:

please explain bx's? Ive been following diamonds posts about seeds like a lost puppy!


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Sannie has a few worked lines. He has a jack herer worked to F7, which is basically a true breeding line. I haven't seen this gen in flower personally yet, but I have several in veg, and all the males are nearly identical, as are the females. Serious seeds has a bubblegum that is worked extensively.

According to strain description/info, mr nice seeds said all his g-13 crosses are IBL, those being g13 widow, haze, n skunk. N g13 widow was the 4th strongest strain tested at the cups, according to the high times article bout the worlds strongest strains

Juan0288 said:

According to strain description/info, mr nice seeds said all his g-13 crosses are IBL, those being g13 widow, haze, n skunk. N g13 widow was the 4th strongest strain tested at the cups, according to the high times article bout the worlds strongest strains

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They don't say how many generations they were in-bred for. If they were cubed, like Cindy 99, then they will still have a couple different phenos, but mostly similar attributes.
I actually have some G13 widow lying around that I am going to start sooner or later, so I guess I will find out more then.

Yea those r prolly fire, but they dnt tell u how many gens but he does say they r all IBL, it's in the g-13 haze info. I wldnt think they're cubed tho bc then they wld all be pretty much the same. But I personally dnt have any exp w.em, just what I read on the site. So I guess I rly dnt know. Maybe some1 who has done 1 of the 3 cld let us know. The widow n skunk crosses sound bomb, n I know GGG uses a g13-skunk male in a bunch of there crosses, but I dnt know if it's from mr nice stock

Any landrace strain should, by definition, be true breeding (or "inbred", if you prefer that term). Many of these may not be suitable for indoor growing under artificial lights, though.

If you're able to source the seeds, outdoor grown local ("heirloom") strains that have been grown continuously in the same place for 20+ years will also be equivalent to local landraces and true-breeding. (EG Salmon Chase big bud, Mendo Purple, etc). There are places in CA, the Pacific Northwest, and Kentucky, to name a few, where strains like this exist. Some commercial Mexican sativas will fall into this category.

Any of the "old school" classic lines should be true-breeding:

Northern lights, Skunk #1, Afghan #1, Hindu Kush, are a few that come right to mind.

Clankie said:

Sannie has a few worked lines. He has a jack herer worked to F7, which is basically a true breeding line. I haven't seen this gen in flower personally yet, but I have several in veg, and all the males are nearly identical, as are the females. Serious seeds has a bubblegum that is worked extensively.

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FWIW, I believe the original Bubblegum strain is an inbred line.

Of the other Serious brands, I know that at least AK47 and White Russian are also inbred, and probably a few of the others as well.

ACE se-eds offers a few exotic landraces that are inbred, as well as hybrids based on them.

Some of these are going to be better than others, based on breeder/source but other inbred lines include:

Hindu Kush
Big Bud
Blueberry
Original Haze
White (/Black) Widow
Malawi Gold
Deep Chunk
Herijuana
Sour Diesel


BTW, please post a grow/smoke report on the Sannie's Jack when you're done with it! That one is on my "short list" of strains to try, and I'd love to hear your opinion.

Jogro said:

FWIW, I believe the original Bubblegum strain is an inbred line.

Of the other Serious brands, I know that at least AK47 and White Russian are also inbred, and probably a few of the others as well.

ACE se-eds offers a few exotic landraces that are inbred, as well as hybrids based on them.

Some of these are going to be better than others, based on breeder/source but other inbred lines include:

Hindu Kush
Big Bud
Blueberry
Original Haze
White (/Black) Widow
Malawi Gold
Deep Chunk
Herijuana
Sour Diesel


BTW, please post a grow/smoke report on the Sannie's Jack when you're done with it! That one is on my "short list" of strains to try, and I'd love to hear your opinion.

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Forgot the most famous 3
Afghani#1
Skunk#1
Northern lights.

You also have african power plant floating many dutch seed companies.

Skunk#1 = Hybrid vigor giver,
Afghani#1 = Strenth and flowering time (redundent since Skunk#1)
Northern lights = Strenth and vigor. More cerebral than Afghani#1

These 3 are most used as their the most stable and have a guaranteed outcome. Skunk1 hybrids will be better than P1s in all factors

canna_420 said:

Forgot the most famous 3
Afghani#1
Skunk#1
Northern lights.

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Not really; see my previous post, #10 in this thread:

https://www.rollitup.org/seed-strain-reviews/576084-breeders-carry-most-stable-strains.html#post8178385

Any of the "old school" classic lines should be true-breeding:

Northern lights, Skunk #1, Afghan #1, Hindu Kush, are a few that come right to mind.

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Anyway, there are any number of others.

The original "Lowryder" autoflowering strain is inbred by this point.
Paradise seeds claims its Cheese strain is inbred.
Etc.

Thank you all for your input so far. Great info and some great suggestions. I did want to get Northern lights #5, Skunk #1, Afghani #1 and I trust Sensi Seeds and Serious for their IBL qualities. I want to use them to cross my my favorite strains that I've collected over the years and see which ones I can improve upon ... or invent an entirely new medicine with benefits no other pheno has achieved so far ... such as the explosion in CBD strains.

TGA has some BX strains I'd like to use as well ... and already do. But I remember when I was a kid ... THE DANKY DANK DANK. You don't see that stuff any more. I'm looking for some nostalgia when I put the Skunk #1 in my line.

But who else.

I really need the breeder of the stable strains you are talking about. Too many breeders claim to produce the same strains. I want the real deal. I want the originals.

Mr. Diamond
I love seeds

I'm with you on this quest. I've got Sweet Skunk (Skunk #1 after the RKS traits were bred out - and worked further) and NL#5 courtesy PeakseedsBC. I've read a lot of good things about both - I guess we'll see. I haven't taken the time to clearly identify all of the plants yet because I have quite a few going from seed.

Peakseeds gear is cheap, so that's a plus.

If you happen to be in Colorado 303 Seeds has released a couple of Northern Lights BXs. They are based on Bodhi's Back to the Future project so I believe you could get NL direct from Bodhi too. https://www.rollitup.org/colorado-patients/532492-aurora-project-303-seeds.html

If you want Skunk#1 try getting it from Sams. Seedsman sells Sam skunkmans lines.
Sensi seeds do have IBLs but some suffer from it. Theirs threads here of a grower i know who did, Sensi NL- NL9 from sag and another NL. and he siad wernt impressed with either.
Ive also run a few sensi seeds in past but pre 2008 so things might be different. and since globaliseation of everything quality as slipped BIG TIME

ED did more work on Skunk#1 for TFD but Sensi now owns TFD so who knows if its like the stuff of yesterday


Shantibaba as some real old skool stuff he releases every now and then from Stock him and Nev collected. Like Nordle (Old Afghani Skunk IBL), Ortega (NL1xNL5) Then theirs his originals Black widow, Shit and Nevs haze are the most bred with genetics you will find.
Most breeders/Hackers have a Mrnice strain running or in the fridge waiting to run.
His are also Inbred like Black widow, Shark shock etc etc


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Medshed said:

If you happen to be in Colorado 303 Seeds has released a couple of Northern Lights BXs. They are based on Bodhi's Back to the Future project so I believe you could get NL direct from Bodhi too. https://www.rollitup.org/colorado-patients/532492-aurora-project-303-seeds.html

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I normally don't go to dispensaries, like, ever, but I have been all over those Aurora's. They are based on three old northern lights cuts vs a selected male from bodhi's nl5 noof x Bcsc NL5 series. I don't think Bodhi is going to be putting out any more of the back to the future series, but he still has the parent plants, and I would love to be wrong about that.

Jogro said:

BTW, please post a grow/smoke report on the Sannie's Jack when you're done with it! That one is on my "short list" of strains to try, and I'd love to hear your opinion.

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The Jack's are still in veg, so can't say too much. They are very uniform, I popped four, got two males and two females. Both the males and both the females look like twins. I have had 100 percent germ rates from sannie, and all my gear from him is both vigorous and potent. I know for a fact that his Jack is the "top shelf" jack at at least two dispensaries in CO. Definite spicy lemon jack taste, too.

Clankie said:

I normally don't go to dispensaries, like, ever, but I have been all over those Aurora's. They are based on three old northern lights cuts vs a selected male from bodhi's nl5 noof x Bcsc NL5 series. I don't think Bodhi is going to be putting out any more of the back to the future series, but he still has the parent plants, and I would love to be wrong about that.

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I'm the same regarding dispensaries. I've been to one dispensary one time since 1284 passed and that was to pick up some 303 beans. I really only did that to support the 303 crew because they are great folks. I've got more beans in the vault than I can run in the next 10 years. Ready for the Zombie Apocalypse ...

When you say you are "all over" the Auroras, does that mean you have them or are looking for them? I think Green Grass in Central City might have them. They are the home MMC for 303.