Where did your God come from?

SamsonsRiddle said:

I never claimed to be a "christian", and i can't understand why you think i'm part of "the system". Don't you see how every christian here is arguing with me, too? I'm just a believer and follower of what god's word actually says, not the lukewarmed version that you hate so much and that so many people accept as "the truth". It would take you years to understand where i'm at, because it's taken me to study every day for years to get here. I know you have a lot of really important opinions about christianity, and believe me they sound really good, but i still don't think you get it that "christianity" is a perversion of the bible - focusing on the person of christ rather than the message he brought. Maybe you should try studying how much the catholic church has perverted what the bible already says. Sounds like you are more against those guys.

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SamsonsRiddle said:

I never claimed to be a "christian", and i can't understand why you think i'm part of "the system". Don't you see how every christian here is arguing with me, too? I'm just a believer and follower of what god's word actually says, not the lukewarmed version that you hate so much and that so many people accept as "the truth". It would take you years to understand where i'm at, because it's taken me to study every day for years to get here. I know you have a lot of really important opinions about christianity, and believe me they sound really good, but i still don't think you get it that "christianity" is a perversion of the bible - focusing on the person of christ rather than the message he brought. Maybe you should try studying how much the catholic church has perverted what the bible already says. Sounds like you are more against those guys.

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justugh said:

not like it is a argument to put u down .....more of debate on viewpoints

u still need more study.....got alot of the points right but u are still missing big parts to the puzzle .....u spent years doing this i spent my whole life time since i could read books alot of what u are missing is other cultures stories and views not talking religion talking whole cultures

and just for shits and giggle on my side .......look at the noah story from every single culture (even the dead ones) look at the creation ones too ......and the number of times pl say the world has been started over .....finally look at the description of monsters/demons /gods/heroes from every where (talking mystic cult books too)

oh and u need to keep up on tech developments and medical research

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SamsonsRiddle said:

We all need more study. The first thing anyone should learn from god's word is you need to study it every day. That's why god gave the bareans a good report even against the thessalonians who "knew more" but rejected what was taught through christ and the apostles. Maybe you should go back to the meat of the bible such as the resurrection, the 1,000 year reign, righteousness, and the trinity and keep your mind off of all of this material knowledge you are trying to get me into.

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shishkaboy said:

What religion was there before the bible?

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justugh said:

burying your head and mind in one book is dumb .......god helps those that help them self so i been going after knowledge ..reading only one book and memorizing it does not mean crap if u do not have some understanding of life

the bible is stories to help set and design a moral compass in ppl rest of the work is up to the person........ science and religion are near the same thing trying to explain the unknown (order to chaos) both tools for mankind to use to grow

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SweetHayz said:

If you can not keep an argument by providing facts,evidence or scientific experiments for your biblical theories. Your words means nothing, so does your "god's".

If you throw another quote with no back up of whatsoever ill take whatever bible you read there and virtually smack you in the face!

When I was 9 I started modding hacks for various online games.
When I was 12 I build myself my first computer.
When I was 13 I setup my first online game server.
When I was 14 I started working in a computer shop servicing computers.
When I was 15-17 I was learning to use linux as well as backdoor hacking
and ratting. (right now i'm hacked into wifi network using hardware spoofer therefore even the best hacker can not find my defined location.)
When I was 17 I built myself the very first car out of scrap yard parts.
When I was 18-21 I was into modding cars. Also that time I started doing illusions such as a close up magic tricks. (That opened my mind to how easy is to manipulate people thoughts)
In the past few years I'm into chemistry. I am creating different chemical formulations for various purposes.
That said, when you learn to break life down to chemical components you would realize how life works.

About what I do for living. My general income comes from day-trading stocks.
I'm also part time magician. I do close up magic show twice a week around various hotels.
My side income as well as hobby comes from investing into cars and technology.
I'm also running a small illegal operation. Taxing these money trough a small private business .
And guess what? I live in a small tiny 1 bedroom house, with a small tiny garden. In a small tiny village.
And all my money goes to my family. My mother came here as emigrant. A single mother with three children"a believer" working 14 years of her live for a "brother from the church" with no social insurance.
Now she is old and has no pension. So supporting my family is in first priority to everything else. My mother thought me love. My mother thought me right from wrong. My mother thought me to work hard for my goals. Believe in "god" gave her nothing than hope to push trough the hard times. I am really proud of her for all she did for rising us.
I do not seek hope from "god". My intention to live, is a hope strong enough to keep me pushing and I see myself as a successful person without any of your "god's" help.

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SweetHayz said:

Hinduism is older than Christianity. As one of the today's living religions. As far as Egyptian mythology we can go back to 3000 bc.

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SweetHayz said:

Your ignorance of the spiritual is admirable, not many people can turn their back on opening their mind to god as much as you. bravo! at least you have the part that humans can't seem to figure out shit on their own right.
You still do not provide any facts. Only believes of spiritual existence. Humans do "figure out shit on their own" step by step. If humans couldn't figure out things you'd probably still be living in a cave. You would't be posting crap about your "god" believes over the cyber network using computing telecommunication powered by electricity provided by your suppler created most likely by atomic cores and there is also many individual non very common electrical source such as solar panels and more.

Or you would like me to start the argument about the round earth and how much your bible is edited?

maybe you don't understand what a soul is. An animal has a soul like a human. It's called "nephesh" in the old testament, and is just the living being. Maybe you mean an eternal soul - which i agree is not true.
You again state something based on old biblical books with no evidence of whatsoever to back you up.

have you not read anything i've posted? the bible says when you die you are in the ground in a "sleeplike" state where you know nothing of what is going on in this world. Like sleeping with no dreams. Once again, i don't know where you get your information about the word of god says, but it's not from the bible. Noone is going to heaven, in fact, the bible says heaven is coming to earth. Check the beattitudes; "the meek shall inherit THE EARTH".
Again you state a believe based on your religion. Stating you are sleeplike is incorrect. Sleeplike is for the living. Dead do not exist. They are atoms that are falling a part because they have no charge to keep them together. These atoms bind to new combinations turning into nutrients which are then consumed many other living things no matter if plants, insects or animals..

The Bible states heaven is coming to earth after god kill all human kind with the mythical apocalypse of the Armageddon. The Bible also states that "god" has place in heaven for a numerous specific people within the writings. As far as I'm concerned bible also states that "god" lives in heavens which are now in the skies. Don't make me dig deeper into hells and heavens because this is biblical mythology. Its is interesting to read but pretty funny to believe in.

basically you become god. isn't this already what you believe that you are a god and should decide for yourself and others what is best? selfishness much?
I do not become "god" because i do not believe in "god". I take responsibility for my actions as every person should. And how does Hinduism decides what is best for others when the lifestyle specifically teaches not to interrupt the life cycle of the MOTHER NATURE. How is that selfishness?

SELFISHNESS IS FOR THE MAN DESTROYING THE WORLD IN BELIEVE THEN "GOD" WILL BE HIS SAVIOR.
SELFISHNESS IS TO BELIEVE STUDYING THE "GOD'S WORDS" WILL GIVE YOU "GOD'S" PROTECTION.
SELFISHNESS IS TO BE SO NAIVE LIKE YOU.



@SamsonsRiddle

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SamsonsRiddle said:

The chicken came before the egg, too

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shishkaboy said:

I dont understand your point. Seems like it was meant to discredit hinduism and egyptology.
What I was asking was, does the bible begin with the creation of man or the creation of everything?
Since we can find texts written before the bible, what religion were those cultures practicing?

My argument is not whether the tales in the bible are true of not, I am trying to establish that the bible was an earthy construct.

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SamsonsRiddle said:

The Bible was written while most of it was for future generations. Even most of the prophets said they wrote it down and it was sealed until the time of the end. Meaning, they didn't even know what they were writing down and it would only be revealed during the time it was happening. Kind of like a lamp will light your way enough to see but doesn't light up the next few miles of the walk. You need to study the accuracy of the prophecies of the bible if you want to really know if it's true.
If you study the old testament, god used to talk to israel directly and through a mediator, hence no need for written word. He kind of freaked out the humans (to the point that they were afraid to look at the light of god for the fear of dieing), so he appointed a mediator. During the time of the mediator, things started being recorded. However, there are pieces from before the written part (ie. The coronation stone) in existence. But yeah, who cares what other people were worshipping?

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SweetHayz said:

Egyptian writings are by far one of the oldest writings found on the planet. Back to 3000 years bc.
But you should really check on Turdaș-Vinča dating back to 5700 years bc.

Meanwhile the oldest book of your bible has been written 600 years bc.

And yes its funny how a Atheist knows more about your religion, when I was a kid I have been studying the "god's words" with my mother.
I have the basic idea of everything in the bible from the beginning to the end.
Obviously I haven't put my time to memorize quotes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronation_stone
It has nothing to do with biblical mythology. This stone say by its name it has been used for ceremonies of coronation.
P.S. There is multiple stones in Europe like these for various Kingdoms.
These stones have been created in the Middle Ages 900 years after Christ death.
I think you are very confused and having a strong imagination.

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