hazey grapes
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who's paranoid? what do you know about paranoid? i don't know nuthin' 'bout paranoid! why do you wanna know? who sent you?
Where Are The Pure Sativa Strains At?!
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Sunbiz1
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http://en.seedfinder.eu/database/strains/origin/
Found a nice link, only some of these countries don't sound like countries...Karakoram...WTF?.
Found a nice link, only some of these countries don't sound like countries...Karakoram...WTF?.
hazey grapes
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i don't know about that country although i'm about to google it, but remember muskat & oman is one of two countries whose flag is solid red. i'm not sure, but i think i heard it got a name chancge a few years ago.
Karakoram isn't a country... it's an indian mountain range
OH! hey! cool link for finding strains even if you can't buy them all.
just scanning through the areas that have trippy sativas (no cambodian listed
) dutch flowers' nam black vietnamese IBL sounds good on paper, but i don't know what kind of rep that breeder has yet and generally avoid dutch gear, but that sure sounds like an IBL.
in theory, Rokerij Seeds' amnesia haze (super silver haze x cambodian) should be at least as good as high quality seeds' haze skunk as super silver is trippy where skunk #1 isn't AND it makes the trippier strain the mom to boot. i'm going to research them & see if they have any raves or rants. i was looking to try something even more IBL than HxS.
i always wanted to see someone cross trippy mexican IBLS with african or asian ones instead of using lesser haze all the time. even in strains that SOULD be trippy, i don't see it mentioned in a lot of descriptions making me think that trait is getting eradicated by some james bond supervillain.
Karakoram isn't a country... it's an indian mountain range
OH! hey! cool link for finding strains even if you can't buy them all.
just scanning through the areas that have trippy sativas (no cambodian listed
) dutch flowers' nam black vietnamese IBL sounds good on paper, but i don't know what kind of rep that breeder has yet and generally avoid dutch gear, but that sure sounds like an IBL.OK, so panama red definitely IS trippy and columbian is considered an "equal" in that group.
in theory, Rokerij Seeds' amnesia haze (super silver haze x cambodian) should be at least as good as high quality seeds' haze skunk as super silver is trippy where skunk #1 isn't AND it makes the trippier strain the mom to boot. i'm going to research them & see if they have any raves or rants. i was looking to try something even more IBL than HxS.
i always wanted to see someone cross trippy mexican IBLS with african or asian ones instead of using lesser haze all the time. even in strains that SOULD be trippy, i don't see it mentioned in a lot of descriptions making me think that trait is getting eradicated by some james bond supervillain.
hazey grapes
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if there's a conversation about getting high or squashing the indica enemy like the bug that it is, i'm going to have 2 cents to add.
there just isn't enough talk about getting high, but A LOT of totally unneeded trolling against it for standing your ground and refusing to budge for indicas without resorting to some street etiquette. here's to hpong god does come down and smite the wicked and that the meek do inherit the earth.
indicas inspire NOTHING but greed and apathy
sativas inspire enjoying life's little whatevers and SHARING.
i've never been able to buy bud that truly gets me high since the street scum out for a fast buck took to an indicas only mindset and doubled prices after the really "we're gonna put 99 feet up your ass in a minute bitch" scum ILLEGALLY sprayed poison on US & mexican citizens for the really greedy junkie dealers... anhauser busch, philip morris & lilly.
i'm glad to see that growing for quality over quantity & putting love in your gear is fairly popular here. i'd say there's at least a 10% crowd up in here for the high or that at least go for the full range of buzzes. forget talking about sativas at grasshole city. that's indicrap trollville center. about the only people you'll interest are about half a dozen growers & smokers with an occasional noob stumbling in that THOUGHT that they quit smoking because they were only getting stoned was their fault and returning them to the fold.
if i truly didn't feel that there IS a very real evil conspiracy from top to bottom in the greed game from the streets to the ivory towers i wouldn't be so "get me high or fuck off & die". if i hadn't wasted thousands of dollars and over 25 years NEVER getting high once, i wouldn't be so "i'd eradicate indicas forever if i could". tricky tricky tricky are greedy scum.
getting high is the enemy of evil. it's the OTHER REASON (besides not being able to make a buck off it) the powermongers fear it. the hippies were tuning into the same energy that's starting to resonate again. they were questioning THEIR propaganda world and it's busted value system. it's ironic that the best bud, like kali mist, that you can't buy even when bidding an insane $120 for an effing EIGTH, is ALWAYS free when you do get some. it's also an unbearable tease and why i'd never been able to even start flowering in something like a dozen grows until i finally budded some C99 last year.
it was so freakin' cool to break away from the stress of wanting to beat my tweaker neighbors to death with a baseball bat and piss in their faces before they stop breathing for a minute. it was nice to break away from the weight gaining discontent the purveyors of indica would have us all live in perpetually to support their house of cards.
i wish i had some right now. i wish i had more than i need so i could give it away, but eff no... i'm NOT selling you my head stash! LOL
there just isn't enough talk about getting high, but A LOT of totally unneeded trolling against it for standing your ground and refusing to budge for indicas without resorting to some street etiquette. here's to hpong god does come down and smite the wicked and that the meek do inherit the earth.
indicas inspire NOTHING but greed and apathy
sativas inspire enjoying life's little whatevers and SHARING.
i've never been able to buy bud that truly gets me high since the street scum out for a fast buck took to an indicas only mindset and doubled prices after the really "we're gonna put 99 feet up your ass in a minute bitch" scum ILLEGALLY sprayed poison on US & mexican citizens for the really greedy junkie dealers... anhauser busch, philip morris & lilly.
i'm glad to see that growing for quality over quantity & putting love in your gear is fairly popular here. i'd say there's at least a 10% crowd up in here for the high or that at least go for the full range of buzzes. forget talking about sativas at grasshole city. that's indicrap trollville center. about the only people you'll interest are about half a dozen growers & smokers with an occasional noob stumbling in that THOUGHT that they quit smoking because they were only getting stoned was their fault and returning them to the fold.
if i truly didn't feel that there IS a very real evil conspiracy from top to bottom in the greed game from the streets to the ivory towers i wouldn't be so "get me high or fuck off & die". if i hadn't wasted thousands of dollars and over 25 years NEVER getting high once, i wouldn't be so "i'd eradicate indicas forever if i could". tricky tricky tricky are greedy scum.
getting high is the enemy of evil. it's the OTHER REASON (besides not being able to make a buck off it) the powermongers fear it. the hippies were tuning into the same energy that's starting to resonate again. they were questioning THEIR propaganda world and it's busted value system. it's ironic that the best bud, like kali mist, that you can't buy even when bidding an insane $120 for an effing EIGTH, is ALWAYS free when you do get some. it's also an unbearable tease and why i'd never been able to even start flowering in something like a dozen grows until i finally budded some C99 last year.
it was so freakin' cool to break away from the stress of wanting to beat my tweaker neighbors to death with a baseball bat and piss in their faces before they stop breathing for a minute. it was nice to break away from the weight gaining discontent the purveyors of indica would have us all live in perpetually to support their house of cards.
i wish i had some right now. i wish i had more than i need so i could give it away, but eff no... i'm NOT selling you my head stash! LOL
Unnk
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poplars
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do agree with you about the inspiration and the price and all.
but I do not agree that indicas are crap, I think they have their specific uses and are special in their own way. I do not think they inspire greed and evil either... I think they are great for pain and sleep... great for slow days.
and I love sativas and wish they were as dominant as indicas. but I do not believe indicas are some conspiracy.
but I do not agree that indicas are crap, I think they have their specific uses and are special in their own way. I do not think they inspire greed and evil either... I think they are great for pain and sleep... great for slow days.
and I love sativas and wish they were as dominant as indicas. but I do not believe indicas are some conspiracy.
Unnk
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exactly i love both sides to be honest
How would you like to be this guy's next door neighbor ? (frmrboi shaking his head in stunned disbelieve)
poplars
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what do you mean?
talkin' about yer new friend, hazey
poplars
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lol... he aint that bad... reminds me of myself in a lil way because I'm pretty radical in my convictions sometimes...
but he must be smokin a LOT of sativa to be formulating such an elaborate semi-paranoid thought that heavy indica is a conspiracy against stoners.
I mean I do have an article on my computer talking about it and it was an old article called indica madness. had very very good points.
but it always demonizes indica in an unfair manner.. just because people are making senseless profits off of it and people are abusing it doesn't mean it is bad. there are people who respect it such as myself and many others, we just wish there were more sativas out there...
homebrewer
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I'm a sativa guy but FWIW, indica dominant strains seem to be more popular. People tend to like that total couch-lock, messed-up and knocked-out feeling that indicas bring to the table. It's not for me, I like clear, energetic, social, positive-vibes kinda smoke. Also, indica dominant strains have a lot more 'bag appeal' than near pure sativas so between poor 'bag appeal' and a longer flowering period, it's no wonder connoisseurs are the only ones enjoying sativas.
poplars
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yep... pretty much the root of the issue.
I have faith that if breeders did gain interest in pure sativa... evolution over time could slowly bring it over to more desireable traits possibly...
I mainly hope this thread brings out more interest in sativa, as this is a popular site and that can have a significant effect on the growign community.
hazey grapes
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i believe my conspiracy personal theory because the pieces of the puzzle just fit. hippies got high and said fuck you to the system. system crushes hippies then ILLEGALLY sprays paraquat to eradicate it. DON'T think it had nothing to do with money EVER! weed is illegal to begin with because of money & not protecting the public interest from reefer madness.
[video=youtube;KQHyM6uJ3RA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQHyM6uJ3RA&feature=related[/video]
keeping weed illegal keeps MANY corporate interests profitable... alcohol, tobacco, pharmaceuticals, timber & cotton etc. that aspect of the "conspiracy" is undeniable like so many of the shitty things corporations do to us and the environment in the name of the almighty buck.
i do believe the hippy connection too.. people start getting high, they start saying "fuck you american dream! i'm doing my own thing baby!" and you KNOW what the powers that be did when them uppity hop heads started protesting wars. (there's profits in that too) just as then, the greedy are trying to squash the occupy movement so their totalitarian state goes unchallenged by annoying little citizens.
on the street, you bet you ass i think that the reason you can't get ANYTHING but indicas IS greed! it's just trying to make as fast a buck as possible and even when it was still new on the market, i hated listening to dealers raving about how skunky, sticky, hard or big their buds were. big fucking deal! it still doesn't get me high!
whenever you see someone asking about the highest yielding strain, you KNOW they're another soulless cash crapper in it for the money. that dude i used to work with that grew his own had something not really stoney at all, it tasted delicious because he made his own compost, and he practically gave it away. he was in it for the plant first and money second as i honestly think most sativa dom growers are.
i ALSO KNOW that when a cash cropper uses the money HE makes scamming off his customers to buy BETTER gear from a love grower, that totally equals greed. "i'm too fucking good to smoke my own shit, but i'll gladly take your money for it!" i would be ASHAMED to sell that me too gear, especially at the doubled overnight prices it fetches.
there IS a demand to get high. many of you here admit you prefer it. if it wasn't a greed issue, then tell ME why NO ONE grows gear that gets you high in most places? you can't. better gear requires more LOVE to grow.
OK... maybe a few growers just don't know any better and just look for the most popular strains thinking they're the best, but i'll laugh in anyone's face that tries to say in the year it took for indoor to replace outdoor, EVERYONE but me fucking forgot what getting high is and how much funner it is. were it not so hard to secure a location, i would have been growing the best gear i could find, but i KNEW i wasn't going to like skunk #1 based on what i read no matter how much "kees" at super sativa seed club (yes... i had seed catalogues in 1990!) tried to convince me i would and only wanted haze or thai or whatever their only sativa was.
i ALSO think greed comes into play some how when every fucking time i buy an IBL except thai at sativa seeds, i get fucking ripped off on no show gear like mekong haze & burmese and have seen someone else get burned on a pack of malawai gold. something smells fucking fishy there. maybe the mafia doesn't want THEIR greedy punk asses competing with better gear. all i know is fighting to get high makes you A LOT of piece of shit enemies. now i'm talking about forum trolls who don't like the status quo challenged either.
in a FAIR world, the market would be equally divided and you COULD buy gear like jack herer & C99 or better on the street, but you can't unless your street is in california. if it's grown indoors... it's beasters.
i don't know how many times i gotta say 'i've wasted thousands of dollars and over 25 years buying EVIL FUCK cash crapping afghani shit and not one fucking greedy bastard EVER got me fucking high to get my point across. i'm glad that at least here some people kind of get where i'm coming from, but you just don't know how much unfairness pisses me off. like i've also said dozens of times, i have a cousin who still lives in beasterville NY and the last i knew, he STILL thinks "all weed is exactly the same!" because no matter where he goes or who he blazes with, he to only sees indicrap. that is just WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG!!! if anything, there should be LESS indica on the market because there's a slight preference towards getting high and i'm sure at least a couple people reading this DEMAND IT. otherwise, they probably wouldn't have to grow their own in protest of the fascist greed state.
getting high gets in the way of:
- wars as it inspires peace
- profits for corporations all the way down to street dealers in competition with it
- profits by other corporations as getting high relieves the constant dissatisfaction that greases the wheels LITERALLY (guys with small dicks buy big trucks... you know it's true) of big business, though it is favorable to junk food producers
- the system in general by making people THINK and the more they think, the more questions they ask about the man behind the curtain
calling indica ITSELF evil is taking some dramatic license, but i really do see it impeding in MY quest to be able to have fun without putting up with people and all of the rest of their bullshit. when i get high and listen to tunes, i'm not thinking about what NEW way to go stylin' & profilin' to impress the poonannies.
back to corporations and greed, if you DON'T think making americans dissatisfied is part of the 1%'s game, then why does today's TV and music suck soooooooooo much? there were more good sitcoms on in a typical night in the 80s than a week now in "why don't you stop watching free TV and give us $50 a month to brainwash you and bombard you with infomercials?" (BTW... greedy fucks are trying to stop free TV too). why do you think the music is so forgettable? so you keep buying more and get disgusted with the one good track on your $15 CD and go buy another, never finding anything like, say, dark side of the moon that you can listen to over & over again.
i think corporations are behind the switch to gangsta rap and all of that other attitudal crap you hear now too. sell dissatisfaction, and you'll never run out of customers. if you ever sell anyone something that fucking makes them happy and that doesn't break (or is ARTIFICIALLY made obsolete) in a year... there go your profits.
watch zeitgeist some time if you can tolerate a lot of blah blah blah. it's helped my modify my "big picture" world view to include the marketing of dissatisfaction.
basically, if you can get a customer to obediently accept indicas and never demand anything better, you have the next best thing to a junkie.
[video=youtube;KQHyM6uJ3RA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQHyM6uJ3RA&feature=related[/video]
keeping weed illegal keeps MANY corporate interests profitable... alcohol, tobacco, pharmaceuticals, timber & cotton etc. that aspect of the "conspiracy" is undeniable like so many of the shitty things corporations do to us and the environment in the name of the almighty buck.
i do believe the hippy connection too.. people start getting high, they start saying "fuck you american dream! i'm doing my own thing baby!" and you KNOW what the powers that be did when them uppity hop heads started protesting wars. (there's profits in that too) just as then, the greedy are trying to squash the occupy movement so their totalitarian state goes unchallenged by annoying little citizens.
on the street, you bet you ass i think that the reason you can't get ANYTHING but indicas IS greed! it's just trying to make as fast a buck as possible and even when it was still new on the market, i hated listening to dealers raving about how skunky, sticky, hard or big their buds were. big fucking deal! it still doesn't get me high!
whenever you see someone asking about the highest yielding strain, you KNOW they're another soulless cash crapper in it for the money. that dude i used to work with that grew his own had something not really stoney at all, it tasted delicious because he made his own compost, and he practically gave it away. he was in it for the plant first and money second as i honestly think most sativa dom growers are.
i ALSO KNOW that when a cash cropper uses the money HE makes scamming off his customers to buy BETTER gear from a love grower, that totally equals greed. "i'm too fucking good to smoke my own shit, but i'll gladly take your money for it!" i would be ASHAMED to sell that me too gear, especially at the doubled overnight prices it fetches.
there IS a demand to get high. many of you here admit you prefer it. if it wasn't a greed issue, then tell ME why NO ONE grows gear that gets you high in most places? you can't. better gear requires more LOVE to grow.
OK... maybe a few growers just don't know any better and just look for the most popular strains thinking they're the best, but i'll laugh in anyone's face that tries to say in the year it took for indoor to replace outdoor, EVERYONE but me fucking forgot what getting high is and how much funner it is. were it not so hard to secure a location, i would have been growing the best gear i could find, but i KNEW i wasn't going to like skunk #1 based on what i read no matter how much "kees" at super sativa seed club (yes... i had seed catalogues in 1990!) tried to convince me i would and only wanted haze or thai or whatever their only sativa was.
i ALSO think greed comes into play some how when every fucking time i buy an IBL except thai at sativa seeds, i get fucking ripped off on no show gear like mekong haze & burmese and have seen someone else get burned on a pack of malawai gold. something smells fucking fishy there. maybe the mafia doesn't want THEIR greedy punk asses competing with better gear. all i know is fighting to get high makes you A LOT of piece of shit enemies. now i'm talking about forum trolls who don't like the status quo challenged either.
in a FAIR world, the market would be equally divided and you COULD buy gear like jack herer & C99 or better on the street, but you can't unless your street is in california. if it's grown indoors... it's beasters.
i don't know how many times i gotta say 'i've wasted thousands of dollars and over 25 years buying EVIL FUCK cash crapping afghani shit and not one fucking greedy bastard EVER got me fucking high to get my point across. i'm glad that at least here some people kind of get where i'm coming from, but you just don't know how much unfairness pisses me off. like i've also said dozens of times, i have a cousin who still lives in beasterville NY and the last i knew, he STILL thinks "all weed is exactly the same!" because no matter where he goes or who he blazes with, he to only sees indicrap. that is just WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG!!! if anything, there should be LESS indica on the market because there's a slight preference towards getting high and i'm sure at least a couple people reading this DEMAND IT. otherwise, they probably wouldn't have to grow their own in protest of the fascist greed state.
getting high gets in the way of:
- wars as it inspires peace
- profits for corporations all the way down to street dealers in competition with it
- profits by other corporations as getting high relieves the constant dissatisfaction that greases the wheels LITERALLY (guys with small dicks buy big trucks... you know it's true) of big business, though it is favorable to junk food producers
- the system in general by making people THINK and the more they think, the more questions they ask about the man behind the curtain
calling indica ITSELF evil is taking some dramatic license, but i really do see it impeding in MY quest to be able to have fun without putting up with people and all of the rest of their bullshit. when i get high and listen to tunes, i'm not thinking about what NEW way to go stylin' & profilin' to impress the poonannies.
back to corporations and greed, if you DON'T think making americans dissatisfied is part of the 1%'s game, then why does today's TV and music suck soooooooooo much? there were more good sitcoms on in a typical night in the 80s than a week now in "why don't you stop watching free TV and give us $50 a month to brainwash you and bombard you with infomercials?" (BTW... greedy fucks are trying to stop free TV too). why do you think the music is so forgettable? so you keep buying more and get disgusted with the one good track on your $15 CD and go buy another, never finding anything like, say, dark side of the moon that you can listen to over & over again.
i think corporations are behind the switch to gangsta rap and all of that other attitudal crap you hear now too. sell dissatisfaction, and you'll never run out of customers. if you ever sell anyone something that fucking makes them happy and that doesn't break (or is ARTIFICIALLY made obsolete) in a year... there go your profits.
watch zeitgeist some time if you can tolerate a lot of blah blah blah. it's helped my modify my "big picture" world view to include the marketing of dissatisfaction.
basically, if you can get a customer to obediently accept indicas and never demand anything better, you have the next best thing to a junkie.
hazey grapes
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as much as i hate indicas and rage against them when pushed, i don't let it get in the way of giving honest answers to those seeking them. then i'd be too much like the people that piss me off.
if dealers WEREN'T greedy, they'd be willing to take that extra month to produce superior gear that many of you KNOW is better unless you're a med users or a twitchy person who shouldn't be touching racy & paranoid stuff. getting stoned is LITERALLY depressing to me. i don't even consider it an hallucinogen and the effect IS called narcotic by many. getting high on the other hand is second only to a good vigorous lay by a hottie in fun factor and is definitely funner than skank poo.
if dealers WEREN'T greedy, they'd be willing to take that extra month to produce superior gear that many of you KNOW is better unless you're a med users or a twitchy person who shouldn't be touching racy & paranoid stuff. getting stoned is LITERALLY depressing to me. i don't even consider it an hallucinogen and the effect IS called narcotic by many. getting high on the other hand is second only to a good vigorous lay by a hottie in fun factor and is definitely funner than skank poo.
hazey grapes
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BTW i don't bother my neighbors until they bother me 1st... then it's on for real. i give up ALL attempts at being a nice guy when you fuck with my personal space, but will have totally civil debates with anyone who disagrees with me that isn't a pushy instigating douchebag and all such people need their teeth knocked down their throats. unlike feeble social climbers that look to exploit or get over on nice people, i like 'em and stick up for 'em. respect is earned and if you try demanding it... i'm the wrong person to play that game with. i'll do the opposite of the herd every time thank you.
sso
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lol, i think indicas came about to introduce the beerguzzlers to marijuana (its more similar)
indicas make you think too..
and its good to take away pain and help you sleep, which is very good for free minds in this draconian and stupid society.
cant fight the system, but the system is perfectly capable of killing itself, so all we have to do is light up and wait. indicas are perfect for that lol.
stupid tv?
you are just older, personally yeah, i loved the stuff in the 80´s and earlier, but i cant look at that crap today, very boring.
same as with older movies and shows, just very boring stuff to watch today.
its not fresh and much of what is on tv today, is just rehashing of old ideas (same of with most of man´s stuff
)
of course you are bored with most of it, if you had been born 20 years earlier you wouldave most likely thought the 80´s stuff was boring too.
indicas make you think too..
and its good to take away pain and help you sleep, which is very good for free minds in this draconian and stupid society.
cant fight the system, but the system is perfectly capable of killing itself, so all we have to do is light up and wait. indicas are perfect for that lol.
stupid tv?
you are just older, personally yeah, i loved the stuff in the 80´s and earlier, but i cant look at that crap today, very boring.
same as with older movies and shows, just very boring stuff to watch today.
its not fresh and much of what is on tv today, is just rehashing of old ideas (same of with most of man´s stuff
)of course you are bored with most of it, if you had been born 20 years earlier you wouldave most likely thought the 80´s stuff was boring too.
OGEvilgenius
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There is no question that inflation is masked in cheaper goods.
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