Where are dispensaries going to get their meds from???

ru4r34l said:

Again I agree with the clone only portion, if you have the connections to the good old boys club than you too can recieve a clone, really does not make clone only strains better or elite.

But I have really never seen a clone lose potency (get watered down), I have had clones of clones do the 2-3 fingered thing but only if I have f'ed up and taken clones rather late during the flower stage.

regards,

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i dont know what it is but iv grown out certain strains like headband and sour deisel and over so many generations of supplying all the patients going to clubs i seen 1 and 2 fingered leafs alot and maybe im wrong but i feel like iv noticed after alot of generations when you start seeing those deformations in leafs and stuff iv noticed afew strains had zero smell all the way up to harvest and other things i feel the genetics of the plants are actually changing but i know 2-3 fingered leafs wernt in there genetic plan for when there large.... so obviously somthing has changed

I have been experimenting with clones taken 21 days into flowering. When they are beginning the 'revegging' process they send out singles and cork screw leaves, but after a couple of weeks the regular ones return. I think it's from hormones of both processes 'mixing' during the restaging event not a genetic glitch. The outcome is a plant with several 'main cola' branches. I didn't have to top or bend or pinch. The first batch is currently in the second week of flower and they look wonderful! Viva la MONSTERCROPPING!!

keepitcoastal said:

jesus i cant read any more pages of this.... your a fucking idiot and obviously not a very good breeder if you dont understand that when buying seeds your looking for a elite pheno!! not all will be good or even worth keeping but there is that one prized pheno in there.REAL BREEDERS back cross the phenos they want to stabilize the recurrence of the traits they like. and your an idiot with this clone only talk.... all that means is a breeder planted his own seeds found the one pheno that was best and spread that to the public instead of letting people do it themselves. and clone onlys often get watered down over time from being cut generation to generation and thats when you start to see 1,2,and 3 fingered leafs.

so just to make this clear you know nothing about genetics and your defiantly not a breeder, or atleast not a very good one lol

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You are right you know everything. Can you teach me a thing or two??

t2kallday is already recruiting more members to come defend his lame ass...

BeaverHuntr said:

Here comes the tkallday " thanks homie + rep" ... Wait for it.......good recruiting though.

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instead of talking shit on blogs you should go put some thought in your setup man,LMFAO!!!! all you non growing assholes get your card,buy all this overpriced equipment without knowing what its really made to do, put in a year of growing, and now you think your breeders and master seed makers! LMFAO! rep to you for sure keepitcoastal and to beaverhunter, eat a dick! me and my friends dont need to hunt the beaver, it comes to us! Read a book and you might yeild something with all that equipment!Learn your efficiency ratios and get back to me,poser! My grow is in the advanced cultivation section, thats where real growers frequent.Check it out and id love to hear any comments!

t2kallday said:

Read a book and you might yeild something with all that equipment!

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Chill my friend!!! Does it always come down to who's buds are bigger?

I read this whole thread and never once realized what or why you folks are in dismay!!

Opinions can be unperceptive with prejudice in mind.

t2kallday said:

instead of talking shit on blogs you should go put some thought in your setup man,LMAFO!!!! all you non growing assholes get your card,buy all this overpriced equipment without knowing what its really made to do, put in a year of growing, and now you think your breeders and master seed makers! LMFAO! rep to you for sure keepitcoastal and to beaverhunter, eat a dick! me and my friends dont need to hunt the beaver, it comes to us! Read a book and you might yeild something with all that equipment!Learn your efficiency ratios and get back to me,poser! My grow is in the advanced cultivation section, thats where real growers frequent.Check it out and id love to hear any comments!

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LOL I seen your grow and its nothing special. It looks like a regular grow what do you want for your grow? A pat on the back? a bow of dicks to kiss? A blue ribbon saying you're the lamest grower in the world??? There is nothing to comment on your grow because it looks like a pretty standard grow you are doing SCROG in a tent... " whoa whoa watch out for this guy" you're a fucking genital wart nothing more nothing less...You posted pics of your SCROG grow in the Arizona growers section and titled the thread "Help Please!!!" Sounds like you really belong in the advanced cultivation section...

HB DC said:

Chill my friend!!! Does it always come down to who's buds are bigger?

I read this whole thread and never once realized what or why you folks are in dismay!!

Opinions can be unperceptive with prejudice in mind.

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tkaallday is just your ordinary " I can grow better than everyone" troll, thats about it. He doesnt understand that everyone on this site does the same shit he does. He's " The guy behind the computer screen with the best buds!" we see these jabroni's all the time.

keepitcoastal said:

i dont know what it is but iv grown out certain strains like headband and sour deisel and over so many generations of supplying all the patients going to clubs i seen 1 and 2 fingered leafs alot and maybe im wrong but i feel like iv noticed after alot of generations when you start seeing those deformations in leafs and stuff iv noticed afew strains had zero smell all the way up to harvest and other things i feel the genetics of the plants are actually changing but i know 2-3 fingered leafs wernt in there genetic plan for when there large.... so obviously somthing has changed

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1-2-3 fingered leafs...

1 leaf and 3 leaf are fine....

2 leaf formations come from hormonal problems in most cases... Or possible polyploid strain(highly unlikely)

PixiDustr said:

I have been experimenting with clones taken 21 days into flowering. When they are beginning the 'revegging' process they send out singles and cork screw leaves, but after a couple of weeks the regular ones return. I think it's from hormones of both processes 'mixing' during the restaging event not a genetic glitch. The outcome is a plant with several 'main cola' branches. I didn't have to top or bend or pinch. The first batch is currently in the second week of flower and they look wonderful! Viva la MONSTERCROPPING!!

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no that is different than what im talking about im talking about clones that arnt revegs but will produce and continue to produce 1 2 and 3 fingered leaves

but i also do have and have had alot of reveg clones and i do love howthey branch out. iv got some chemdog d and platinum og reveg clones now

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no that is different than what im talking about im talking about clones that arnt revegs but will produce and continue to produce 1 2 and 3 fingered leaves

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Yeah man I have only seen those fingered leaves on re-vegged clones or clones taken in early 12/12.. I had a good buddy ( old school grower) that cloned his mother Train Wreck for years and it never lost potency in my opinion. Maybe it's just strain dependent dude I dunno.

if your cloning the same mother it shouldent change but its when you take a cut off the mother and then sombody takes a cut off that and then more cuts off that cut and continued and then were getting to c10's that are in the clubs and i know i dont have any scientific proof but i cant think of anything else to explain it some of the genetic mutations iv seen before

so with like lets say clone only pre 98 bubba kush sense 98 the orignal mother is who knows where proably dead not producing clones. if i were to guess some lucky son of a bitch might have an c2 or c3 but if your getting a pre 98 bubba clone only cut on the market high chance its already an c5-c6 or ALOT more just based on its age and how long its been getting tossed around i know sombody whos been growing it commercialy sense 99!

keepitcoastal said:

if your cloning the same mother it shouldent change but its when you take a cut off the mother and then sombody takes a cut off that and then more cuts off that cut and continued and then were getting to f10's that are in the clubs and i know i dont have any scientific proof but i cant think of anything else to explain it some of the genetic mutations iv seen before

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Yeah that might explain it, I thought you were just talking about taking clone from a mother you mean cloning a clone then cloning that clone and cloning that clone, etc .... your theory might be correct sir.

BeaverHuntr said:

Yeah that might explain it, I thought you were just talking about taking clone from a mother you mean cloning a clone then cloning that clone and cloning that clone, etc .... your theory might be correct sir.

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ya that is in fact how these strains get spread one club buys a clone of strain they want and mommy it out and take all there cuts off of it, but half the time the person they got it from did the same thing, then you got other growers who come in the club and buy those cuts and mommy them out and sell cuts on budtrader and craigslist, then people buy those and do the exact same shit

keepitcoastal said:

ya that is in fact how these strains get spread one club buys a clone of strain they want and mommy it out and take all there cuts off of it, but half the time the person they got it from did the same thing, then you got other growers who come in the club and buy those cuts and mommy them out and sell cuts on budtrader and craigslist, then people buy those and do the exact same shit

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You make a good point. I been to many Cali clubs/dispensaries and have learned my lesson there are only a handful of places I would ever get clones from in So Cal and Los Angeles area. I have taken quite a few clones from Bird and I must say the kid did his homework picked some great phenotypes, i have never had a problem with his clones.

24 hours light can cause that... If you are cloning from the same plant too many times the clones can drift a bit genetically... No clone will ever be as vigorous as when it was a seed but theres nothing to show that clones of clones water down genetics either

1337hacker said:

24 hours light can cause that... If you are cloning from the same plant too many times the clones can drift a bit genetically... No clone will ever be as vigorous as when it was a seed but theres nothing to show that clones of clones water down genetics either

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Agreed, clones of clones should not be less potent, but remember each clone has the genetics of it's mother AND the stresses that the mother has went through which MAY cause some some issues with vigor, growth, ability to fight disease, etc..

regards,

so much hostility in this thread. usually the people with the best buds are not this hostile. if a grower is good and has some fire he does not have anything to prove and he is much more chill. usually the growers who make the loudest noise dont have any buds or they are unhappy with what they do have. if there is one thing about bud which i have learned through years of growing and being around it, is it is a consumable good. that means what you have is gonna be gone really soon and you will have new stuff very soon. buds come and go some are better than others and some not so memorable, but they all get smoked in the end and then they are gone. so what the fuck are you really arguing about. smoke some weed and chill the fuck out.

oh and btw in my experience mothering a clone so many generations does not affect certain strains, others are more susceptible to genetic drift (which is what we are talking about), but if you dont stress your plants and choose the best healthiest clones for mothers, then you should not have a problem. and who ever was talking about f1 f2 etc. i think you have your concepts mixed up. an f1 is the first generation offspring of two parents. an f2 is the first backcross by crossing the f1 with one of the original parents and then the f3 is the second backcross with the offspring from the f2 and the original parent. this is done to stabilize and better pronounce otherwise recessive genes in a strain. the idea is to eliminate the dominant traits by inbreeding and reducing the diversity of genetic material. this also is done by seed as that is the only way to reproduce and add new genetic material. cloning is just like making a carbon copy of the mother. if the carbon copy is good enough the message will be clear every time. if it is sloppy the message will degrade.

keepitcoastal said:

if your cloning the same mother it shouldent change but its when you take a cut off the mother and then sombody takes a cut off that and then more cuts off that cut and continued and then were getting to f10's that are in the clubs and i know i dont have any scientific proof but i cant think of anything else to explain it some of the genetic mutations iv seen before

so with like lets say clone only pre 98 bubba kush sense 98 the orignal mother is who knows where proably dead not producing clones. if i were to guess some lucky son of a bitch might have an f2 or f3 but if your getting a pre 98 bubba clone only cut on the market high chance its already an f5-f6 or ALOT more just based on its age and how long its been getting tossed around i know sombody whos been growing it commercialy sense 99!

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f1 , f2 etc is gonna apply to using seeds to cross different generations / phenotype of plant... nothing to do with clones. an f5 or f6 is actually a strain that has been Back Crossed to the original mom 4 or 5 times to select specific traits and limit the number of available phenotypes when she is pollinated for seed . For instance you might like a yield of a certain phenotype, so you attempt to back cross with the original mom to obtain seeds which will more frequently exhibit this trait.

When you have a clone, you have a genetic duplicate of the plant it was cloned from. I have had clones from strains that are over a decade old and managed to retain their original traits.

The plant SHOULD grow the same, given the same environmental conditions.. The reason it doesn't always grow the same is due to the way it is expressing it's genes or its epigenetics, which causes the plant to express different traits based on it's environmental inputs. A good example is plant growing in a more arid climate tends to have thinner leaves to offset the loss of humidity through the leaf stomata.

irieie said:

so much hostility in this thread. usually the people with the best buds are not this hostile. if a grower is good and has some fire he does not have anything to prove and he is much more chill. usually the growers who make the loudest noise dont have any buds or they are unhappy with what they do have. if there is one thing about bud which i have learned through years of growing and being around it, is it is a consumable good. that means what you have is gonna be gone really soon and you will have new stuff very soon. buds come and go some are better than others and some not so memorable, but they all get smoked in the end and then they are gone. so what the fuck are you really arguing about. smoke some weed and chill the fuck out.

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Definitely some truth here. There's infinite ways to grow this herb that has survived for hundreds of millions of years prior to our meager existence. It's best to offer your opinion and try to contribute as much empirical fact as possible so that others can learn from your post. If not, you are just contributing to the never ending toilet of one-upping, misinformation and general ignorance that exists everywhere in this community.

Do you guys want good medicine around the state? Why close your minds to learning new things? Why continue down the path of baseless arguments?