Whats Wrong With These Plants???????Please Help

vapeape

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because its effecting several strains equally i just wonder about fungus????
it was also affecting some plants in flower, thoght i had burnt them up,so i didnt nutriate very much at all, they got worse but i just gave em a full dose of food with boosters and they seem to be looking better. its hard to say when things are such a shit sammy..
 

Nullis

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I don't think any fungal infections present like that; you'd see mildew or mold, or black/tan necrotic freckles or wilting.

The liquid seaweed is good stuff, it has growth hormones and a wide array of minerals although it might not have enough of them to solve your particular problem(s). I personally haven't used Extreme Serene or Nitrozime.

Container size?
 

Wetdog

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Cal-Mag provides calcium and magnesium which are considered secondary nutrients (some even consider them primary nutrients so far as cannabis is concerned) as they are needed in more abundant amounts than are boron, iron, zinc, manganese, et al which are the trace or micro-nutrients.

If you're using tap water you really don't need to use any Cal-Mag because it is likely that a sufficient level of dissolved minerals such as Ca and Mg are present already.

I don't really want to get into the whole "soil is a buffer" thing right now. But first of all, many potting soils are not true soils at all and secondly pH does matter in soil but we perceive that it matters much less in healthy, inoculated and properly amended soil (with lime for instance, which is the buffer).

Too much Ca locks out Mg, as well as Fe and K while too much Mg locks out Ca and other trace elements. I fail to see any signs of Ca or Mg def/lockout in those photos, symptoms would appear in the middle of the plant. However, Mg does begin to lock out at a pH below 6.5 (as does molybdenum, but MO is mobile). Therefore, I reassert that you go out and find yourself a good micronute formula and foliar feed with it pronto. You might also try watering in some dolomite limestone for the hell of it; to raise the pH up a bit more and serve as a preventative substitute for the Cal-Mag.

The only other thing I can ask you is what size containers you are growing in? Are you sure that your plants aren't getting root bound?
I don't use ProMix per se, but make my own. The peat comes from the same co. as the ProMix.

I would say a pH problem due to the lack of lime in that mix. Water in some powdered dolomite lime, NOT the pellets (they take too long to break down and work). Lowes is the only place in my area with the powdered/ground dolomite lime. $5 for a 40# bag.

"I" use 1tbl/gallon of mix or 1cup/CuFt of mix. Best added to the mix before use, but can be top dressed and watered in. Give it a couple of weeks to start working. Pellets take a couple of months.

I'm also 420% with the micro nute suggestion. Earth Juice Micro Blast is a good, quick foliar fix. I add AZOMITE to my mix, but that would be a bit slow for your situation. Something to consider for the future. It's the only thing I'll actually pony up for the shipping. It's that good.

damn nullis...you're good!
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vapeape

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2 gallons at the moment, not bound just nsacked one roots still have room not circling, and white as snow. i will grab some micro blast this week.my water is always ph d at 6- 6.3 . so could it still be ph????i have powdered lime.
 

Wetdog

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You have lime in the mix? At what rate did you apply it?

What is your run off pH? Should be 6.3-6.8

The MB should help tremendously, but I'm still thinking pH.

Wet
 

vapeape

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i have it( the lime) just havent thought it was a ph problem,does that lime lower ph or raise?? i will water some in after i check one for runnoff inconsistancies.
its ust all the plants are doing it exactly the same, several strains, veg and bud.
is it possible that there could be some toxins in the air, they all seem to start at about 20- 30 days in that room, nothing seems to help. could the glue from cheap particle board be poisoning my air. i have never seen 5 + different strains all react the same under any condition, and i have good circulation as well. arrrg its just getting worse.
 

Wetdog

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Lime has a pH of 7 and will buffer the soil to around that. Usually ~6.5-6.8, the sweet spot.

Off Gassing is a concern. I would google it and see if it applies to you.

First, I would add the lime. "I" use 1tbl/gallon of mix or 1cup/CuFt of mix. Best added before use, but it can be top dressed and watered in. You want Powdered/ground Dolomite lime. NOT pellets or hydrated.

Wet
 

vapeape

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ok did a flush the first bit of run off was tested. there was approximatly 32 oz of run off water .
the ph was 5.5, and i found a tds pen and it was at 1450 onone plant and , 1600 on the other two plants, i took samples from three plants,
so i am doing a complete flush and then i will water in 1/2 a tablespoon of powdered lime and 1/4 strength nutes. then i will foiliarly spray with micro as soon as it arrives.
any suggestions to that plan
 

vapeape

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ok the water i put back inhad a tds of 550, the ph was 6.5, and all i used was 5 ml per gallon of pbp grow, and .5 ml of ph up.
 

volcanoOFhistory

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I don't use ProMix per se, but make my own. The peat comes from the same co. as the ProMix.

I would say a pH problem due to the lack of lime in that mix. Water in some powdered dolomite lime, NOT the pellets (they take too long to break down and work). Lowes is the only place in my area with the powdered/ground dolomite lime. $5 for a 40# bag.

"I" use 1tbl/gallon of mix or 1cup/CuFt of mix. Best added to the mix before use, but can be top dressed and watered in. Give it a couple of weeks to start working. Pellets take a couple of months.

I'm also 420% with the micro nute suggestion. Earth Juice Micro Blast is a good, quick foliar fix. I add AZOMITE to my mix, but that would be a bit slow for your situation. Something to consider for the future. It's the only thing I'll actually pony up for the shipping. It's that good.



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Wet
I run promix bx with azomite mixed in the bottom third of my pots and only use maxibloom and maxigrow from gh and it works great. I never check my ph and never have any probs.
 
did you get this solved? ive used promix #4 and this isnt a soil mix. pro mix is soilless it only act like a soil. there is no nutes in this mix. you can water promix everday with a 20% run off. i use 3 galon pots and i flush with one gallon and then feed with another gallon. i do this every other day wheather the soilis dry or not. i use cal mag and about 7 other things and have never burnt the plants. if for some reason you over fert them just flush untill the water goes clear and start over. this mix will only hold so much water so dont worry about over watering. oh yea with the pro mixes you dont really want them to get that dry because the soil seem to compress and its hard to get it to take water again.
 

vapeape

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thanks all as you can see by the updated pictures yesterday that the problem is not solved , i ust flushed and will hope for the best, my next ones look superb.
 
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