what's this? (FLOWERING)

RastaCourage

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i noticed a few problems that i would like to know about..
my plant has these yellow/brown spots & a big spot..
both have yellow tips while one has the big yellow spot..
& the other would have three to four little spots on the fan leaf..
all on the lower portion of the plant..
& the browning tips are also in the mid section of the plant..

for lights i have four 2700k CFL's 26W/27W EQ to 100W..
for soil i have her in scotts potting soil mixed with perlite..
i have not given her ANY nutrients, none at all..
although i believe the soil has released some during watering..
i water her approximately every 3-4 days..
the soil dries up pretty quick & she is 5 days into flowering..

does anyone have any suggestions or opinions as to how to resolve this?
i would really appreciate your time in reading & helping me with this..

thanks in advance..
 

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Doctor Cannabis

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Hmm. This looks pretty rare. It's clearly not a N/K/P deficiency. My best bet would be a mild Calcium deficit. If not that, them some other mineral deficit. In any case, I'd get some molasses from a health store or market. 1tbs/1gallon. Fixes all mineral problems nicely.

What nutes are you using? What is your soil's pH? How often do you water with nutes?
 

RastaCourage

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i haven't used any nutes..
i checked my pH & it's around neutral..
it bounces a little past 7 then goes back on 7..
it just stays on 7.. i can't figure out how to use my pH tester..
it always gives me a pH of 7..
i water every 3-4 days, since my soil dries out quick..
i lift the pot & stick my finger 1-2" into the soil also..
for nutes in flowering, all i would have is jamaican bat guano..

the first two sets of leaves after the cotes turned yellow though..
like when you flower & they die off eventually.. but, i picked those off..
but it's weird because i'm only 5 days into flowering..
next lights on will be 6 days of flowering..
the leaves are looking in perfect shape..
only problem is, the bottom fan leaves after the first set are the ones looking off..
the tips are curling down, like if you hold your hand straight out but point your fingers down a bit..

i'll try that molasses thing you were talking about though..
i don't know how soon i can get it though..
is there anywhere i can get it within distance to me?
because i don't have a gardening store or what not..
those are like miles away from me in another town/city..

thanks for your help though +REP
 

Boneman

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That little burn at the very tip is typical nute signs for pre nuted soil. I wouldnt say nute burn but its showing signs of it. I dont think its anything to worry about. As for the spots?? Are you misting at all? What kind of PH meter are you using? Is it the one with the 2 metal prongs?
 

Doctor Cannabis

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Molasses can be found at health stores. It's really healthy food, for people and plants. I doubt you'll ever find molasses at a grow store. It's usually used for human consumption.

It's normal for the bottom pair of leaves to start yellowing and withering away, especially during flowering, so don't worry about those. When the next 2 pairs start fading, that's when you should sound the alarm (unless you're in the final 1-2 weeks of flowering, when it's again normal for most of the leaves to yellow).

Boneman's questions gave me another hint on the problem. What are your temps? If they're too high and you like to mist your plants, the little drops of water ("Noo, not the little drops of water!") can heat up very quickly and also cause spot-like burning.

Thanks Boneman! You the man!
RastaCourage, keep us posted on the development.
 

apasunee

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I dont know about anyone else but,, that PH meter with the 2 long prongs to stick in the dirt that also measures light and moisture always read around 7 for me,,,, my plants were sick from very high PH and I didnt even realize it until I bought a real PH meter, then I found out my PH was around 9, so I fixed the problem,,,,, the moral of this rant is that (for me at least) that so called PH meter sucked and I also heard other have the same complaint.......GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR PLANTS......:leaf:
 

RastaCourage

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no i have a pH tester with a single prong..
& as for the misting.. i used to do it when lights on..
but now i just do it during lights off..
the beginning of lights off & by the time lights on it's dried up..

i got that cheap ass $20 pH tester..
& i was thinking it was nute burn since i have the time released soil..
but i took it easy with the watering..
my temps stay around 84-86F daytime & night temps are 74-75F..
never below 70F during lights out..

thanks for the help..
 

K1Ng5p4d3

Junior Creatologist
hell yeah, those pronged ph meters suck ass IMO, lol. I use a good cheap liquid ph tester - GH makes a pretty decent one.

As far as the plants problem goes, it looks like a deficiency - maybe copper, iron, or a magnesium deficiency. im trying to look it up in my garden saver book, and all three of those types of deficiencies can result in the same type of signs your experiencing in the earlier stages. lemme read a little more, and see if i can pinpoint the problem a little bit better for you man. im no expert by any means, but i own alot of books n i read them, lol.

hope to help u out man :D

-K1

**edit** -- U know what man, its really hard to tell with the blurry pic to be honest, because now im checkin out the book, and it could very well be a form of nutrient burn too, lol. i know this shit here is confusing, but if i were you, i would try and actually use a balanced nutrient regimen, so you can keep track of what your feeding your plants, so its easier to identify the problem and correct it. my own advice to you, would be to flush out your soil, and then go out n get yourself a reliable line of nutrients - Fox Farm's trio of nutes works awesome, plus its really hard to burn your plants with them as long as you follow their feeding schedule.

im sorry i couldnt be of more help, but ill keep trying to help if there is anything that i can help with man. Sorry for contradicting myself, but like i said, your pics are a little blurry, and my second line of advice would probably work out the best for you.

-K1.
 

Doctor Cannabis

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Your temps are a bit high, but I still say, get some molasses and see if that works for a mineral deficiency, if not, its probably nute burn.

Keep us posted on new developments.

PS: a better pic would help us all see what's really wrong.
 

RastaCourage

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alright, thanks for both of your replies..
but, to be a little more clear..
i never gave my plant any nutes..
if it is nute burn, it was from the time released soil..
i vegged my plant for 2 1/2 weeks.. (due to relocation)
& flowered for 5 days & in about 2 hours 6 days..

as for the picture, i will update again with a much more clear picture..
& again thanks for your replies.. i will be back to post the pictures..

- also, i will get the molasses once i get the chance to.. thanks :D
 

RastaCourage

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sorry for the delay on the pictures..
but, when i woke up this morning..
i found the two leaves i was talking about 'dead'
they were found pointed upwards wrinkled & dry..
so i picked them off to avoid any other infractions..

the leaves were smelling really good though..
but, had a little white powder on them..
like powdery white mildew.. HOPEFULLY NOT THOUGH..
the pictures aren't all that great..
but, you will be able to notice the yellowing & spots..
i hope this can give you guys a better idea of the problem..

& so that it is clear.. i did not feed her any nutes..
none whatsoever, the time released soil might have though..

NOTE: i do know powdery white mildew is REALLY bad..
& that it can spread throughout the whole plant..

 

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Doctor Cannabis

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Yup..this was clearly nute burn, but your plant has grown into a big girl, she can take it now.

It's probably not mildew since, as you stated, they smelled nice, not rotten or spoiled.

It's also pretty normal during flowering for the second pair of leaves to fall off, although still pretty soon.

I guess the lesson here is, never buy soil with time release nutes. Oh, by the way, what % NKP is that soil releasing? I'm thinking, if the soil is releasing a certain ratio of NKP, your plant will not have optimal nutes for flowering or vegging (since these two processes require different NKP ratios and the soil has only one).

Keep us posted.
 

RastaCourage

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you can tell by the leaves it was nute burn?
you really are 'doctor cannabis' lol

the soil percentages are..

N - 0.07%
P - 0.01%
K - 0.03%

(jamaican bat guano)
flowering percentages are..

N - 1%
P - 10%
K - 0.2%

it was all i had at the time..
& i had to transplant that very day..
& the only soil i had was miracle gro & scotts potting soil..
never again though will i use the time-released..

if the problem continues..
i will be sure to keep this thread updated..
& post better pictures..

thanks for your help man :D
 

RastaCourage

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okay, just as i thought..
the problem is happening again..
after the first two fan leaves..
it's attacking the second set of fan leaves..

sorry the pictures are small..
but, i kind of got a clearer view of it..
also, notice how the points overlap the leaf?
that's only on one of them which is the last 2 pictures..

i hope someone can tell me what the deal is..
yesterday, i gave her some bat guano high in P..
she is now on day 11 of the 12/12 lighting..
still no confirmed sex indications..
but, she does have a tear drop looking thing..
no clusters, just one tear but, no pistils/hairs yet..

anyway, thanks for who knows my plants problem..
 

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Doctor Cannabis

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It is typical for a plant to shed her oldest leaves during flowering in order to offer the rest of the plant it's saved up nutrients. This will be especially clear during the last 1-2 weeks of flowering, when all leaves turn yellow.

What is your watering and feeding schedule?
 

RastaCourage

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your being paranoid, let it grow
so, the first five days of 12/12 lighting the first set of fan leaves die?
& on the eleventh day of 12/12 the second set start to die?
that's normal or paranoia? just wondering..

& i am letting it grow.. i haven't been constantly checking her..
i just sit back & check on her every other day or so..
& water when she needs water.. but, no heavy growth like in veg..

It is typical for a plant to shed her oldest leaves during flowering in order to offer the rest of the plant it's saved up nutrients. This will be especially clear during the last 1-2 weeks of flowering, when all leaves turn yellow.

What is your watering and feeding schedule?
i'm only on the eleventh day right now..
& i found out the schedule was 12h 30m/11h 30m..
rather than the exact 12/12 of lighting..

my watering schedule is every 3-4 days..
i check pot weight & check dryness 1-2 inches deep..

also when i woke up this morning..
she was real droopy..
her fan leaves even at the top..
they were really unstable..
i don't know what's going on with her..

appreciate the replies..
 
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