Whats in the future to replace cree 3590.

So I'm getting a kit from timber that they say is 56% efficient. Is there anything in the near future from cree that will beat that? I've searched and can't find much.

A little buyer's remorse is guaranteed with technology moving this fast . You might be waiting for months for a new chip to come out (boo, no light in the mean time), then you get chip (yay! best light ever)...then a month later a better chip is released.

There's always going to be a slightly better chip around the corner.

Maybe, the real question is when do the current 3590 owners expect to upgrade? It would take a real step forward to compel people to replace their 3590s. I want to see the chip that makes that happen

Exactly. I don't see myself upgrading for a long time when I get these 3590s.

Actually there's a interesting thread https://www.rollitup.org/t/new-vero-cob.912433/
discussing the new Vero.

Hard to draw any hard conclusion yet. Having said that I have two of these babies on the way

https://northerngrowlights.com/collections/all/products/photon-180clu1825

buddy, at this point, if you are spending big bucks, don't worry, it will pay for itself. As long as the lights work as long as advertised (50000 hours, 12 years of 12/12) you are laughing. Keep in mind people are still growing with old HPS technology that is 40+ years old. Even if you could get better next year, and 10 times better in 5 years, it will not make what you got less good than it is now. I am still rocking old panels from AREA 51 I bought probably 4 years ago and they are still running, as far as I can tell, 100%. They may be old technology but they still grow the same dank as they did when I first got them. Not a single COB has ever failed me, yet, knock on wood...

hornedfrog2000 said:

So I'm getting a kit from timber that they say is 56% efficient. Is there anything in the near future from cree that will beat that? I've searched and can't find much.

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Maybe a DE fixture? They are pretty nice!!!!!

current citizens and the new veros coming out in 2 weeks already beat the 3590 in efficiency per watt (but only by 5-10%.) and especially watts per dollar (upwards of 50%).

the next cree bin and/or generation which is due out in the next 6 mos should also bump 5-20% over current 3590 efficiency. We'll see if they try to maintain their name-brand premium. the 3590 price has fallen almost 50% in a year amidst stiff competition

a mongo frog said:

Maybe a DE fixture? They are pretty nice!!!!!

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DE does not beat current COB efficiency at anything but lumens per dollar, and that gap is quickly closing now that you can buy $40-$60 chips that run out to 200-300+W each at HPS efficiency

...its clear.... the new cree 3695.... .... comes only on top bins... and her SPDs are awesome for horticulture...
...up to 220 Lm/ W... ....driven at 700 mA... and comes with a preaplied awesome thermal pads...
....comes first in europe to fight with the new osram horticultural cobs........
..and the new cree cob comes with the new MW driver high effic..96%.... 4 in 1 dimming options... wifi and bluetoth options....

...arrive in America...the next year 2017... the prototype comes first in europe... too curious...

....i cant upload any image here... but you can imagine the beasts....

Pd... remember today its Saturday... then...

bri77 said:

Maybe, the real question is when do the current 3590 owners expect to upgrade?

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never. makes more sense to buy more of the cheap, new, efficient chips and run them beside your 'old' 3590s turned down to 20W each at 65% efficiency

salmonetin said:

...its clear.... the new cree 3695.... .... comes only on top bins... and her SPDs are awesome for horticulture...
...up to 220 Lm/ W... ....driven at 700 mA... and comes with a preaplied awesome thermal pads...
....comes first in europe to fight with the new osram horticultural cobs........
..and the new cree cob comes with the new MW driver high effic..96%.... 4 in 1 dimming options... wifi and bluetoth options....

...arrive in America...the next year 2017... the prototype comes first in europe... too curious...

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finally, some deetz on the new crees.. that first sentence makes me sound like they are gonna work the premium train. they are gonna have to be something special to compete with the new veros that will be selling in the $20s, but people always have and always will value name brands regardless of actual value or performance (apple, gavita, etc). we have cheapish chips now pushing 200 lm/W but again thats meaningless without knowing what wattage 700 mA corresponds to

i like the sound of the meanwell tech that is universally applicable. hopefully cree doesnt hog it with exclusivity

HLG600s are 96% efficient now....

CobKits said:

DE does not beat current COB efficiency at anything but lumens per dollar, and that gap is quickly closing now that you can buy $40-$60 chips that run out to 200-300+W each at HPS efficiency

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I was just recommending a great light source is all. I mean for 370-500 bucks you can get a DE fixture and crank out a minimum of 2.25 units on any strain.

ill take that bet. heres 850W @ $466 sans frame and some mild assembling - which would prob match the DE HPS while dimmed down to 650W with a lot of headroom to spare.



as an aside dont forget to add $50-$100 a year for bulb replacement for your hps

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ill take that bet. heres 850W @ $466 sans frame and some mild assembling - which would prob match the DE HPS while dimmed down to 650W with a lot of headroom to spare.

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as an aside dont forget to add $50-$100 a year for bulb replacement for your hps

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Ill take any bet you want to bet bro. You just tell me when your harvesting and we will both put up the pics and numbers scales on deck all that shit. I can do it in roughly 5 weeks or we can wait till we both start on the same date. Fuck ill even go further and put your 400 worth of cobs against my SE hps with 2 year old bulbs. If I loose I loose but be ready to show your shit bro. All I did was make a recommendation to the OP, you don't have to go all know it all on me dude. So just let me know. It'll be fun!!!

it was a figure of speech not a challenge! but i like the cut of your jib. one thing the hps is, is plug and play which is where a lot of people are stuck. a kit is still a kit.

it'll be fun

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a kit is still a kit.

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A kit is plug and play as well. I have cob kits bro.

As an aside,dont forget to add 50 to 100 bucks a year for calmag for the led grown buds lol

CobKits said:

finally, some deetz on the new crees.. that first sentence makes me sound like they are gonna work the premium train. they are gonna have to be something special to compete with the new veros that will be selling in the $20s, but people always have and always will value name brands regardless of actual value or performance (apple, gavita, etc). we have cheapish chips now pushing 200 lm/W but again thats meaningless without knowing what wattage 700 mA corresponds to

i like the sound of the meanwell tech that is universally applicable. hopefully cree doesnt hog it with exclusivity

HLG600s are 96% efficient now....

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...Im only joking a bit... ...its wekend time... relajate, disfrutalo y pasalo...



Saludos

you bitch, lol