What's considered organic growing?

I've been growing in soil using Iguana juice, pirhana, tarantula, voodoo juice, nirvana and ancient earth. Someone had told me that adding nutrients to soil isn't organic growing? I argued for awhile but then later thought he may be right. I thought a line up like this was considered 100% organic or am I wrong?

has to say OMRI on all of them, otherwise they are not organic, but chelated

There are organic nutes, and nutes derived from organic sources. OMRI certification is, shall we say, humorous. The hoops a company has to jump thru to gain that certification certainly isn't worth it, and the certification is no guarantee of the product being truly organic.

the fact is that you don't need all that fancy crap nutes to make a healthy plant, look around and apply some study ...its free and fun!

There are organic nutes, and nutes derived from organic sources. OMRI certification is, shall we say, humorous. The hoops a company has to jump thru to gain that certification certainly isn't worth it, and the certification is no guarantee of the product being truly organic.

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^ This is one of the truest statments i have heard in a long time. to many people on here think OMRI means something about organic's, what it really meas is a company has enough money to jump through the legal hoops.....

Organic constitutes only a few things when it comes to farming.... are the resources natural? and are they chemically organic? (Aka carbon based) and because of this there are many ways to grow organic, everything from store bought nutrients, localy harvested nutrients and composts, living soil, human waste reconstitution, composting and crop rotation all the way down to producing and preserving your own liquid nutrients from localy harvested and sustainable resources.... there are THOUSANDS of roads to take with organic gardening, but the truth of it is you will have to do ALOT of research and dedicate alot of time especially if you are starting from scratch.

EDTA (Ethylenediaminetetraacetic acid) is a Synthetic chelation agent (It turns stuff into preserved jelly) and it is in Most synthetic fertalizers. check the ingredients in the fertalizers for EDTA, if they have it do not buy that fertalizer.... and if the ingredients are not listed then the company is not worth bothering with. if you cant call them and ask exactly whats in it then they are hiding something.

If the plant can directly uptake whatever it is that you're dumping in to the soil, then it is *not* organic. If the plant requires the assistance of microbes to process whatever it is that you're dumping in to your soil for it to become avaialble to the plant as a nutrient, then it's organic.

I suppose there would be caveots to this, but that to me is the basic rule of thumb.

I suppose there would be caveots to this

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yea like maybe idk... pre-cooked nutrients which are readily available by the bottle?
http://www.advancednutrients.com/hydroponics/organic-nutrients.php
http://generalhydroponics.com/site/index.php/products/general_organics/

Corbat420 said:

yea like maybe idk... pre-cooked nutrients which are readily available by the bottle?
http://www.advancednutrients.com/hydroponics/organic-nutrients.php
http://generalhydroponics.com/site/index.php/products/general_organics/

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Then I would question whether those are truly organic

ETA- If something can completely skip the soil food web and be uptaken directly by the plant, do you feel that those bottles would then meet the definition of organic?

st0wandgrow said:

Then I would question whether those are truly organic

ETA- If something can completely skip the soil food web and be uptaken directly by the plant, do you feel that those bottles would then meet the definition of organic?

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Urine is a liquid which bypasses the soil food web and allows for direct uptake of N via; ammonium uptake..... does this mean its not organic? do some more research.....

Or how about Liquid humic and Fulvic addative's that allow for direct uptake and the formation of carbolic acid in teh plant structure allowing for proper bud growth? are those non organic too???

Take blood meal (1Lb) and Gypsum (30ml) put it in a 5gal bucket of water for 2 weeks.... put that water into the plants and see what happens.... the Nitrogen and surfer bypass the soil food web and allow for direct uptake.....

Since we are on this subject.... is it impossible to do organic Hydro in your mind? there is NO soil food web.... i run organic hydro...

I suppose it's possible to use an organic ingredient, but not be growing organically.

And no, there is nothing about "organic hydro" that is growing organically. The very foundation of organics requires a symbiosis between the plant and the microbes in the medium. Anything short of that is not growing organically.

The very foundation of organics requires a symbiosis between the plant and the microbes in the medium.

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well, then heres a correction for you.... https://www.rollitup.org/organics/516845-aact-bloom-tea-veg-tea.html

None of these teas require soil, they can all be used to grow hydroponically seeing as the microbes are in the water and have nothing to do with soil.... open your mind and get out of your fundamentalist box

We are trying to simulate mother nature when growing organically. In nature, plants and animals die, and through decay and mineralization (facilitated by the soil food web) the nutrients that were tied up within that organism are then turned in to plant available food. Are there magic fairies that fly around in the forest and squirt plant available liquid on all of the trees and bushes?

A plant cannot distinguish between organic amendments, petro-chemical nutrients, and organic bottled nutrients. It's the process by which the input is made bio available that determines whether you are growing organically or not. If you bipass the soil food web, then what you are doing does not meet the definition of organics.

Corbat420 said:

well, then heres a correction for you.... https://www.rollitup.org/organics/516845-aact-bloom-tea-veg-tea.html

None of these teas require soil, they can all be used to grow hydroponically seeing as the microbes are in the water and have nothing to do with soil.... open your mind and get out of your fundamentalist box

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I never said the microbes needed to be in the soil. I said that the microbes (in whatever medium you are using) need to process the organic amendments for it to meet the definition. That medieum could be soil, or soiless. Is coco coir soil? No, no it's not .... but it is used by plenty of people that grow organically.

And no, there is nothing about "organic hydro" that is growing organically.

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Is coco coir soil? No, no it's not .... but it is used by plenty of people that grow organically.

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Your like the bible, contradicting yourself at every turn..... Coco is a hydroponic medium....

Corbat420 said:

Your like the bible, contradicting yourself at every turn..... Coco is a hydroponic medium....

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*You're*

I'm an athiest btw.

Coco is used by plenty of people that are not growing hydroponic. I cut my peat with coco. Are you suggesting that I'm growing hydro because I have coco in my base? lol

I cut my peat with coco. Are you suggesting that I'm growing hydro because I have coco in my base? lol

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you answered your own question dumbass.... have any real ones?

doesn't change the fact that Organic Hydroponics's is a reality and your to slow to be able to use Google..... http://lmgtfy.com/?q=organic+hydroponics

Corbat420 said:

you answered your own question dumbass.... have any real ones?

doesn't change the fact that Organic Hydroponics's is a reality and your to slow to be able to use Google..... http://lmgtfy.com/?q=organic+hydroponics

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all those bottles you sarcastically googled are not organic.. They lie about the ingredients... Check with the federal or state departments of agriculture. They have to disclose all ingredients when registering products for sale with each state..'


Hydro:
Cultivation of plants in nutrient-enriched water, with or without the mechanical support of an inert medium such as sand or gravel. Fertilizer solution is pumped through the system periodically. As the plants grow, concentration of the solution and frequency of pumping are increased. A wide variety of vegetables and florist crops can be grown satisfactorily in gravel. Automatic watering and fertilizing saves on labor, but installation costs are high and fertilizer solution must be tested frequently. Yields are about the same as for soil-grown crops.


no matter what the hydro shop says using coco or a soiless mediem does not make it hydro...

Corbat420 said:

you answered your own question dumbass.... have any real ones?

doesn't change the fact that Organic Hydroponics's is a reality and your to slow to be able to use Google..... http://lmgtfy.com/?q=organic+hydroponics

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Believe what you want. I'm going to duck out of this one ....

BUT, you may want to make sure you know the difference between "your" and "you're" ..... and "to" and "too" before calling someone a dumbass and slow. You even spelled the little blurb below your avatar wrong. "Location: Canadian mountains, WERE (you meant "where") the wild things fear to go." SMH

Growing with carbon based nutrients only.

I grow with coco fiber too. It's straight organic, comes from a tree that was living and had a carbon molecule. I don't believe companies follow rules and can get away with alot. Make your own teas and give your plants some homemade loving.from true organic , once living sources. I don't see rocks as loving sourced but they came from the process of mother nature and are natural.