Whats an F-1 Hybrid?

Busmike

Busmike

Well-Known Member
ElBarto said:
Sorry, I can't think of a polite way to say this, but this is mostly garbage.

Actually, "mostly" is my attempt at being polite.
Click to expand...

What I SAID was to HERM the F1.... not clone it. The object being to create a stable strain via seeds, which is NOT cloning. The percentage of next generation plants that are different from thier parent will continue to decline with each subsequent generation.

ElBarto, you really should do some research before shooting off your mouth.

BTW.... FDD3Blk's diagram doesn't show what the F1 was crossed with. It's been a long time since College biology, but I THINK his chart is meant to show 3rd generation results of breeding the F1 back to one of the original parents.
 
F

fdd2blk

Well-Known Member
the F1 is crossed with itself. a male and female of the F1 are seeded. this is why if you seed out F1 seed bank seeds you don't always get the results you want. :)
 
Busmike

Busmike

Well-Known Member
fdd2blk said:
the F1 is crossed with itself. a male and female of the F1 are seeded. this is why if you seed out F1 seed bank seeds you don't always get the results you want. :)
Click to expand...
That makes sense... But this kind of breeding is generally used to fix a particular charactoristic. So herming a clone of the F! you like would be the way to go.
 
skippy pb

skippy pb

Well-Known Member
What if you breed to seeds you bought online say Company A's: purple haze and Company B's g-13. Then say soem other dude does the same exact thing are you going to have the same F1's?
 
F

fdd2blk

Well-Known Member
skippy pb said:
What if you breed to seeds you bought online say Company A's: purple haze and Company B's g-13. Then say soem other dude does the same exact thing are you going to have the same F1's?
Click to expand...

they should come out the same. though i'm not sure how growing conditions affect the outcome.
 
skippy pb

skippy pb

Well-Known Member
Dam i wanted to make something speacil haha. Well considering my F1 will probably come out mutated with like 15 black leaves that might be pretty speacil.... I suck haha
 
ElBarto

ElBarto

Well-Known Member
skippy pb said:
What if you breed to seeds you bought online say Company A's: purple haze and Company B's g-13. Then say soem other dude does the same exact thing are you going to have the same F1's?
Click to expand...
It depends on whether the parents you want to use are true breeding (stable) for the given traits you're interested in. Almost all the seeds you can buy are F1 hybrids. Breeding two F1s together will give you wildly variegated results. You might not get two phenos the same, let alone the same pheno as some other guy doing the same thing.
 
abudsmoker

abudsmoker

Well-Known Member
Busmike said:
They are unknowns. If you've bred say white widow with a purple strain, some of the seeds produced would be all white widow, some would be all purp, and some would combine the charactoristics of both strains. Among these, you would see difference in charactoristics.... big buds, small ieaves, etc.. These are called phenotypes. When you find one you especially like, you clone it, and stress the clones to procuce hermaphrodites, and thus seeds. THESE seeds would be called F2's and would be mostly the same as the F1 plant.

Sorry... I'm stoned and tend to ramble....
Click to expand...

hermi is genetic, stress will not cause this, Your stoned and repeat what you read,

Teach from experence
 
M

mbpdavies

Well-Known Member
abudsmoker said:
hermi is genetic, stress will not cause this, Your stoned and repeat what you read,

Teach from experence
Click to expand...
Mate, wtf, have you never heard of stressing a plant until it becomes a hermie?? lol yes plants can be genetically hermie but any female can be stressed into becomin hermie if it's treating badly enough, jeeez some ppl on ere need to get their facts straight before they post!
 
ElBarto

ElBarto

Well-Known Member
mbpdavies said:
Mate, wtf, have you never heard of stressing a plant until it becomes a hermie?? lol yes plants can be genetically hermie but any female can be stressed into becomin hermie if it's treating badly enough, jeeez some ppl on ere need to get their facts straight before they post!
Click to expand...
That's one of those "kind of true, kind of not true" statements that people tend to read and repeat without understanding what they mean.

Hermaphroditism is a genetic condition. You can stress some female plants to throw out male flowers, but that doesn't make it a hermaphrodite.
 
Busmike

Busmike

Well-Known Member
While it's true that I was exposed to Breeding plants to enhance specific traits in College, ALL of my comments in this thread are based on experiments I done on pot plants within the last 5 years.

Abudsmoker... I AM explaining what I've ALREADY DONE. While it might be possible that there are strains or Pheno's of strains out there that will not herm under stress, The plant I've been cloning for over 5 years now will, but only onder stress. Cloned normally. the offspring are always female.

You should take your own advice.



.
 
F

fdd2blk

Well-Known Member
mbpdavies said:
Mate, wtf, have you never heard of stressing a plant until it becomes a hermie?? lol yes plants can be genetically hermie but any female can be stressed into becomin hermie if it's treating badly enough, jeeez some ppl on ere need to get their facts straight before they post!
Click to expand...

you are mistaken. mothers that are used for feminized seeds are put under stress. they pick the plants that they can't get to hermy to use as seed mothers. just so you know.:weed:
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top