What Would A Canada With Legal Weed Look Like?

WHATFG

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With a federal election on the horizon, voters and politicians across Canada are speaking up on what’s sure to be a hot-button issue this election: the decriminalization or legalization of marijuana.

The issue is complicated and has its roots in legislation dating back nearly 100 years. But what is decriminalization? What does it mean? And who’s for it?

“Legalization includes decriminalization,” says Jodie Emery, noted marijuana reform activist. “And decriminalization is an important step towards legalization.” Emery recently campaigned to run for the federal Liberals in Vancouver East, but was rejected by the party.

The concept of legalizing something is pretty self-explanatory: something once was illegal, and is now legal. Think alcohol in the U.S. after prohibition. Decriminalization on the other hand, is a little more complicated.

Decriminalization is usually a reflection of shifts in morals and values in society over periods of time. When it comes to decriminalizing marijuana, it implies that as a society, we feel like it’s no longer the “devil weed” we once thought it was. From a practical standpoint though, decriminalization removes criminal status from an action, while still maintaining some level of regulation and penalties. So, you could still be fined for possessing over a certain amount of marijuana, but you won’t be sent to jail, and you won’t have a criminal record.

“We want possession charges to be a low priority for police, we want provinces not to enforce this law,” says Dana Larsen, director of Sensible B.C., a non-profit dedicated to ending Canada’s cannabis ban. “Decriminalization would let police stop bothering people who aren’t bothering anyone else, and would pressure the federal government into enacting legalization legislation.”

For Larsen and Sensible B.C., decriminalization at a provincial level could be a first step in that direction. Provinces can’t fully legalize marijuana as long as it’s on the federal list of restricted substances, but Larsen believes that Canadians want reform, and he’s not alone.

The politics

Justin Trudeau made waves last year when he suggested there be an official system in place for the government regulation and control of pot. The Liberals aren’t the only ones though. The NDP and Bloc Quebecois support decriminalization, but not legalization. Meanwhile, the Conservative party is opposed to all forms of decriminalization, but they might have to change their tune.

“If the Harper government is reelected, I think they will look into police ticketing for marijuana possession, their own sort of decriminalization, only because of public and international pressure,” says Emery. “If the Liberals form government, they will legalize marijuana, the question is, what does that mean?”

What is legalization?

In 2012, the Liberals made it party policy to recommend marijuana legalization. While there’s no current official plan on how to make that happen, Emery says the most important step is to remove cannabis from the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act. After that, they’ll have to look to other governments for models.

“If we had to choose an existing model right now, Colorado is the one being emulated the most,” she says. “And I know the Liberal party has sent people down to check out Colorado as well.”

Colorado made recreational marijuana use for adults over the age of 21 completely legal on January 1, 2014, but the Colorado model isn’t perfect. Until recently, banks weren’t allowed to do business with Colorado dispensaries, since the drug wasn’t legalized for recreational use on a nation-wide level. Because the state laws and federal laws don’t mesh, many banks, like J.P. Morgan Chase and Wells Fargo, have policies in place not to provide services to marijuana businesses.

Legalizing marijuana in Canada at a federal level wouldn’t look like Colorado, if only because we’d be starting the process from the other legal end.

What will it look like?

If marijuana were legalized tomorrow, not too much would change immediately, says Emery.

“The industry won’t exist right away, the stores won’t be there, but taxpayers would benefit immediately,” she says. “Before we’re able to sell pot, or make tax money off of legal pot, the first benefit will be reduced police spending, and Canadians protected from unjust legal penalties.”

Larsen believes in something he calls the “wine model,” which isn’t too far off for the kind of theoretical regulation that Trudeau has mentioned in interviews. Essentially, the wine model calls for marijuana to be federally controlled and provincially regulated the same way alcohol and tobacco are.

“We would like to see that model, where an adult could go to a store and buy properly labeled, high quality cannabis products,” say Larsen. “If the federal government takes cannabis out of the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act, the provinces would end up having to create legislation for cannabis.”

The end result, Larsen says, would be slightly different regulations and sale laws in every province, just like tobacco and alcohol.

“Alcohol is legal in Canada, from coast to coast. But each province regulates it the way they choose to, and we should do the same with marijuana,” says Emery. “That way we would have a number of models in place, and over time we could abandon the models that don’t work, improve the ones that do work, and maybe find the best model of them all.”

To see what decriminalized or legal marijuana in Canada would look like, you don’t need to look very far. British Columbia has the same federal marijuana prohibition as the rest of the country, but Vancouver police tolerate recreational use, and smoking out in the open is far more common than anywhere else in Canada.
“Right now in Vancouver, it looks what California or Colorado might look like,” she says. “There are 50 plus dispensaries, which is shocking to me, but they’re operating without any problems from the city.”

Emery says that the dispensaries that do have issues, like selling to underage customers, are addressed by the police.

“It’s a perfect model of police and city government allowing activity to continue, because they aren’t causing any harm,” she says. “The concern over lack of regulation of dispensaries falls on the federal government.”

Emery says that B.C. is in a grey area. The rest of the province is far more strict than Vancouver when it comes to enforcing marijuana laws, but she thinks that’s changing.

“I have a lawyer friend, and he’s hardly getting any calls these days about pot arrests, which is a good sign,” she says. “We’re in a strange time, but Vancouver is a great model that Canada can look at. It does still need improvement, we’re definitely in that grey zone were it’s still a little wink-wink, nudge-nudge.”

What about medical marijuana?

Legalizing marijuana for medical use has had a long and troubled history in Canada. Since 2000, there have been multiple court cases that have resulted in medical marijuana laws having to be fixed, or government positions having to be altered. The issues mostly stemmed from the fact that the government’s marijuana ban didn’t have an exemption for medical usage, which makes it unconstitutional.

One of the primary problems that cropped up was that in 2007, the courts found that there was nothing written in to law that forced the government to supply the medical marijuana they had said they would after writing in the exemption. It turns out that if the government wants to control access to marijuana, they actually have to force themselves by law to do it.

These days, marijuana isn’t an approved drug in Canada, despite the Canada College of Physicians having guidelines on how to prescribe it, and the fact that courts require reasonable access to marijuana when a physician authorizes it.

“I like the idea of being able to go get your cannabis, if you’re sick or healthy, at the same place,” says Emery. “But I’m pretty certain that with Health Canada, and the new regulations, patients prefer a more health-focused delivery.”

Emery says that she thinks the recreational marijuana industry could grow out of Health Canada’s existing medical marijuana system.

“The two sectors could operate separately, or the Liberals could let Health Canada expand the current medical system to the adult recreational market,” she says before laughing. “But who knows what will happen.”

 

VIANARCHRIS

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“I like the idea of being able to go get your cannabis, if you’re sick or healthy, at the same place,” says Emery. “But I’m pretty certain that with Health Canada, and the new regulations, patients prefer a more health-focused delivery.”

Emery says that she thinks the recreational marijuana industry could grow out of Health Canada’s existing medical marijuana system.

“The two sectors could operate separately, or the Liberals could let Health Canada expand the current medical system to the adult recreational market,” she says before laughing. “But who knows what will happen.”


Hmmm....not once did Jodie mention allowing home grows...just increasing the LP market share. We'll need to make sure legal includes personal gardens.
 

VIANARCHRIS

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i don't like this position on medical cannabis at all. I consume 5x more than a recreational user, I have to grow for myself. Period. End of story.
I think the best scenario would be allowing say 6 plants for rec users and enough to cover the script for medical. Of course no one in Ottawa is intelligent enough to figure it out, so we gotta make sure they understand.
 

Medipuffs

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I think the best scenario would be allowing say 6 plants for rec users and enough to cover the script for medical. Of course no one in Ottawa is intelligent enough to figure it out, so we gotta make sure they understand.
i agree with that 100%.

the recreational users who want to grow because of cost, quality assurance and access should be able to help themselves out and 6 plants allows them to run one or two strains and have a mom in veg to get clones for a perpetual grow. if it becomes legal for all there will also be dispensaries to buy clones from or friends sharing etc... so they could flower out 6 at a time and start over. That should make them happy.

patients need to be taken care of and this would allow them to continue being self sufficient as well as allowing those requiring dg's that option as well. its hard for a patient to buy a full monthly prescription from any source who isn't compassionately growing it for them.
 

cannadan

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6 is more than enough for the vast majority of medical patients....
when the plants are allowed to grow outside in full sun...
you would be harvesting 3 to 5 lbs per...if done correctly...
not to mention having trims and lowers for hash making..
Home grows are not something that we can lose...it is of the utmost importance that we make sure our members of parliament know this.
 

GroErr

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6 is more than enough for the vast majority of medical patients....
when the plants are allowed to grow outside in full sun...
you would be harvesting 3 to 5 lbs per...if done correctly...
not to mention having trims and lowers for hash making..
Home grows are not something that we can lose...it is of the utmost importance that we make sure our members of parliament know this.
Absolutely not negotiable imo, growing your own provides a ton of benefits even aside from the end product/meds, it's therapeutic, provides some exercise (I grow in my basement and countless trips up/down stairs weekly), allows you to control what type/strains you medicate with, make your own hash/oils/caps. Until it becomes legal I'll grow under the radar but would love to be able to (legally) grow outdoor and come out of the shadows. 6 plants every 4 months indoor and one round outdoor could produce many lbs. of meds, more than I could consume in a year. All for $1 or less per gram, no medical MJ program can compete with that and that is my base/standard, anything else and I'll stay under the radar.

The good news is that it's looking like a perfect storm to get rid of Harper these days, any more bad news on the economy/jobs/oil scene and we may be able to throw him out before the election just for fucking up our country so bad. I can't remember the last time I was so excited about an election #$%!
 

doingdishes

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Pierre Trudeau said if you has Quebec & Ontario, you don't have to worry about the rest of Canada. maybe he's trying that now because his other stuff has failed miserably & yet he stands there saying "the Emperor does have clothes" while we know he's walking around naked. he just doesn't get that we are not that stupid as he thinks we are....or hopes we are
 

GroErr

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He knows half of Alberta are going to be moving back home to Ontario in the next few months
Not far off the truth statistically, I have 2 neighbours that were working out there and are back home, laid off indefinitely.
 

GrowRock

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Ya I heard fort Mac had more nufy's than the east coast but not for long with the oilsands being a huge waste of money. IMO
 
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