What type of deficiency is this?

Bryan Danza

Bryan Danza

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White Widow

plant age: WW 2 and a half weeks

pot size: 3gals

has it been repotted? and when?: no

soil type: Happy frog organic, perlite

nutes or additives: Fox Farm Big Bloom 4-8-4 tea and a half every other water.. molasses about half a tea spoon every other water.. water roughly every 3 to 4 days

Air temps (max min): 79-70

Water Temp: room temp

RH: 35min-50max AVG45

lighting type: 400watt HPS 18'' away.

PH level: distilled water



most the fan leafs are doing this.. it starts out as brown dots. please any help would be nice the plant on the left has the problem
 

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Bakatare666

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First, those plants cannot be 2 1/2 weeks old.
Second, from your description, without seeing pics, I would speculate overfed, but after the 'brown spots' and pics, I think P and K deficiency.
What is your PH?
'Distilled water' does not equal a PH reading.
If your tap water is only 7.0 (rough guess for true distilled water), and you're using FF nutes, I would guess your PH is dropping too low to pick up the P and K in your nutes.
 
Bryan Danza

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Bakatare666 said:
First, those plants cannot be 2 1/2 weeks old.
Second, from your description, without seeing pics, I would speculate overfed, but after the 'brown spots' and pics, I think P and K deficiency.
What is your PH?
'Distilled water' does not equal a PH reading.
If your tap water is only 7.0 (rough guess for true distilled water), and you're using FF nutes, I would guess your PH is dropping too low to pick up the P and K in your nutes.
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They are 2 and half weeks into flowering the one on the right is 3 weeks
if distilled has a ph of 7 would'ent using and flushing with distilled make the soil ph 7? i have a meter just no calibration solution i ordered some online because my meter is wacked off it arives monday. I ph'd to 6.5 all the way up till just about turning 12/12 (about 4 weeks ago took about a week to see preflowers..) because my ph meter had went uncalibratedso i'v just been using distilled water..


so obviously shits not working.. so what do you suggest? like i said im getting my calibration solution Monday so just start ph'ing my water again and it should fix the problem? what should i PH? my faucet city water, distilled, or Spring water?

also i figured it was the PH so i flushed today with distilled water to reset the PH to 7 or so i hope thats what it did.. with that said. could i let it dry out and then flush it again? would flushing multiple times be harmful at this stage? like i said what should i do to fix this problem? also i gave it some epsom salt today aswell beacuse a few pictures online led me to a mag def. i really appreciate it by the way i spent alot of money into this i hope it works out would hate to lose these to just a simple ph fix
 
Bakatare666

Bakatare666

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Bryan Danza said:
They are 2 and half weeks into flowering the one on the right is 3 weeks
if distilled has a ph of 7 would'ent using and flushing with distilled make the soil ph 7? i have a meter just no calibration solution i ordered some online because my meter is wacked off it arives monday. I ph'd to 6.5 all the way up till just about turning 12/12 (about 4 weeks ago took about a week to see preflowers..) because my ph meter had went uncalibratedso i'v just been using distilled water..


so obviously shits not working.. so what do you suggest? like i said im getting my calibration solution Monday so just start ph'ing my water again and it should fix the problem? what should i PH? my faucet city water, distilled, or Spring water?

also i figured it was the PH so i flushed today with distilled water to reset the PH to 7 or so i hope thats what it did.. with that said. could i let it dry out and then flush it again? would flushing multiple times be harmful at this stage? like i said what should i do to fix this problem? also i gave it some epsom salt today aswell beacuse a few pictures online led me to a mag def. i really appreciate it by the way i spent alot of money into this i hope it works out would hate to lose these to just a simple ph fix
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If I was stuck in a waiting position like you are atm, I would try checking the PH of my tap water and see what you read.
A lot of tap comes out high 7's.
Mine actually comes out 7.9 Fall through Winter, and goes up a bit more during Summer.
I would quit flushing and just wait until tomorrow and calibrate after your delivery.
All you are doing is washing out any nutes that are in the soil and making it worse.
IDK what you have in your soil (lime, peat, etc.) but 'no', simply flushing with 7.0 water will NOT make your soil PH a 7.
 
Bryan Danza

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So basically what do I do to fix my problem? Using the neuts that's I have fox farm big bloom .01 .3 .7 and fox farm tiger bloom 2 8 4? Just start PHing my water?? What would you would recommend PHing? tap water over bottled spring or distilled? Also what's Considered Tap water? i am on city water and the water from the facet is drinkable and is what we drink. so would bath tub water be considered tap water? Also used epsom salt last night after the flush along with molasses. Iv been using molasses since seed.. They are 3 weeks into flower and just 2 days ago is when stuff has really been hitting the fan. Other wise everything else has been great
 
Bryan Danza

Bryan Danza

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Bakatare666 said:
If I was stuck in a waiting position like you are atm, I would try checking the PH of my tap water and see what you read.
A lot of tap comes out high 7's.
Mine actually comes out 7.9 Fall through Winter, and goes up a bit more during Summer.
I would quit flushing and just wait until tomorrow and calibrate after your delivery.
All you are doing is washing out any nutes that are in the soil and making it worse.
IDK what you have in your soil (lime, peat, etc.) but 'no', simply flushing with 7.0 water will NOT make your soil PH a 7.
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I'm using happy frog organic so I don't know besides the two ferts, molasses and one tea spoon of epsom salt to a gallon has been the only neuts iv added..
 
Bakatare666

Bakatare666

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Bryan Danza said:
So basically what do I do to fix my problem? Using the neuts that's I have fox farm big bloom .01 .3 .7 and fox farm tiger bloom 2 8 4? Just start PHing my water?? What would you would recommend PHing? tap water over bottled spring or distilled? Also what's Considered Tap water? i am on city water and the water from the facet is drinkable and is what we drink. so would bath tub water be considered tap water? Also used epsom salt last night after the flush along with molasses. Iv been using molasses since seed.. They are 3 weeks into flower and just 2 days ago is when stuff has really been hitting the fan. Other wise everything else has been great
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Yes, from your faucet (no matter which one, whether it be a hose bib outside, your shower, toilet, or kitchen sink) is "tap water", and all comes into the house via the same line.
Since you say you're using Molasses since birth, I would back off on that, and maybe only use every third feed or so.
Even Molasses, too much can be bad.
In my experience, FF nutes tend to drop my PH a lot, at least more than other brands.
If possible, check your PH after you mix your nutes and see what you have, and get some PH up if need be.
Again, since you've been doing all that flushing (which I feel is unnecessary unless you overfeed), I would just leave them alone until they dry out good, then next time you feed, mix the 10 ml of Tiger per gallon, and the 15ml per gallon of Big Bloom, and give that after you make sure your PH is acceptable.
I assume you have the chart for the FF feeding schedule?
 
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