What the fuck is WRONG WITH PEOPLE?

NoDrama

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We were already in debt.
we have been in debt basically since the country was conceived, it was only once ever paid off, Andrew Jackson. I think he is more along the lines of the fact that Obama spent in 8 months, more money than Bush did his last 4 years combined. Perhaps Mr Obama can spend more than ALL the presidents combined together, heck hes got 4 more months to do that. How could anyone be upset that its going to be yours and my hard earned money that will pay for it all.

But you know, neither president is really to blame. They take the heat, but actually the president can't spend 1 single dime of our money, heck not even 1 penny. CONGRESS IS TO BLAME!!!!!
 

londonfog

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Im sorry, i didnt really mean rioting. I ment more along the lines of destroying the system we have. And building a new one from the ground up, without Builderburg/Wallstreet.


I was wasted...wehn i posted my original post. But seriously, i just wish we the people, would take the control back.:wall: Im scared for my future, and the future of my little girl.
Feel you dude...Can see you getting upset when eyes are open to somethings that you before never saw..Having kids makes us all more aware of the world we live in ( if you any kind of good parent)...I really think that problem is not with us. I just wish more people could see this...Remember little girls need their daddy so keep that in mind....I truly don't think Obama is going to do anything that would hurt your child .... Take deep breath look at the facts and see that things are about to get better if we can get past this caveman mentality...
 

londonfog

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and by the way one of the first things Obama did in office was to assure that all children had health care....me being a parent loved that:clap: already had it for my kids, but just to know that if anything changed in my life thats one area I would not have to worry about.
 

doobnVA

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and by the way one of the first things Obama did in office was to assure that all children had health care....me being a parent loved that:clap: already had it for my kids, but just to know that if anything changed in my life thats one area I would not have to worry about.

What planet are you living on? MY kids didn't get any health insurance from Obama, and neither did anyone else's.

In case you haven't been keeping up with the 111th Congress, the health care reform bill hasn't even been VOTED ON.

Where's this health insurance for kids that Obama supposedly "assured" we had? Was there an executive order that I can't recall? Was there a bill signed into law that I'm not familiar with?

I'm really curious as to what this "first action" of Obama's was, and where you got your information about it.
 

doobnVA

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and by the way one of the first things Obama did in office was to assure that all children had health care....me being a parent loved that:clap: already had it for my kids, but just to know that if anything changed in my life thats one area I would not have to worry about.

Oh, I think I understand now.

You think that because he said he *wants* every child to have health coverage, that means we're going to get it, right?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!LOLOLOLOL!!!!:clap::clap::wall:
 

londonfog

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What planet are you living on? MY kids didn't get any health insurance from Obama, and neither did anyone else's.

In case you haven't been keeping up with the 111th Congress, the health care reform bill hasn't even been VOTED ON.

Where's this health insurance for kids that Obama supposedly "assured" we had? Was there an executive order that I can't recall? Was there a bill signed into law that I'm not familiar with?

I'm really curious as to what this "first action" of Obama's was, and where you got your information about it.
please read so you can stay on top of things..yes you did miss a signing of a bill..Stop your Obama hate and pay attention

Joined by lawmakers, children's health advocates and ordinary families, President Obama signed into law an expansion of the State Children's Health Insurance Program designed to extend government health care to roughly 4 million children.

"In a decent society, there are certain obligations that are not subject to trade-offs or negotiations, and health care for our children is one of those obligations," the president said.

Noting that there are presently 8 million American children without health insurance, the president said it is "hard to overstate the toll this takes on families" when "all it takes is one accident, one injury, to send your family into financial ruin."

The House of Representatives earlier passed the SCHIP legislation by a 290-135 vote. An additional $32.8 billion will now be allocated to the program, which currently covers seven million children.

SCHIP is designed to give health insurance to children whose families make too much to qualify for Medicaid but for whom paying for private insurance is a major burden. The money for expanding the program comes from a planned 62-cent-per-pack increase in the federal tax on cigarettes.

President Bush twice vetoed legislation to expand SCHIP. Opponents say it means an unnecessary extension of government insurance to families that could afford private insurance. They also worry that it is the first step towards socialized health care.

"This is only the first step," the president said today, dubbing the bill a "down payment on my commitment to cover every single American." He called it one component of a broader effort to bring the U.S. health care system into the 21st century.

In signing the bill, the president said "we fulfill one of the highest responsibilities that we have: to ensure the health and well being of our nation's children."

The president's full remarks, as provided by the White House, are below.


PRESIDENT OBAMA: Today, with one of the first bills I sign – reauthorizing the Children’s Health Insurance Program – we fulfill one of the highest responsibilities we have: to ensure the health and well-being of our nation’s children.

It is a responsibility that has only grown more urgent as our economic crisis has deepened, health care costs have exploded, and millions of working families are unable to afford health insurance. Today in America, eight million children are still uninsured – more than 45 million Americans altogether.

It’s hard to overstate the toll this takes on our families: the sleepless nights worrying that someone’s going to get hurt, or praying that a sick child gets better on her own. The decisions that no parent should ever have to make – how long to put off that doctor’s appointment, whether to fill that prescription, whether to let a child play outside, knowing that all it takes is one accident, one injury, to send your family into financial ruin.

The families joining us today know these realities firsthand. When Gregory Secrest, from Martinsville, Virginia lost his job back in August, his kids lost their health care. When he broke the news to his family, his nine year-old son handed over his piggy bank with $4 in it, and told him, “Daddy, if you need it, you take it.”

This is not who we are. We are not a nation that leaves struggling families to fend for themselves. No child in America should be receiving her primary care in the emergency room in the middle of the night. No child should be falling behind at school because he can’t hear the teacher or see the blackboard. I refuse to accept that millions of our kids fail to reach their full potential because we fail to meet their basic needs. In a decent society, there are certain obligations that are not subject to tradeoffs or negotiation – health care for our children is one of those obligations.

That is why we have passed this legislation to continue coverage for seven million children, cover an additional four million children in need, and finally lift the ban on states providing insurance to legal immigrant children if they choose to do so. Since it was created more than ten years ago, the Children’s Health Insurance Program has been a lifeline for millions of kids whose parents work full time, and don’t qualify for Medicaid, but through no fault of their own don’t have – and can’t afford – private insurance. For millions of kids who fall into that gap, CHIP has provided care when they’re sick and preventative services to help them stay well. This legislation will allow us to continue and build on these successes.

But this bill is only a first step. The way I see it, providing coverage to 11 million children through CHIP is a down payment on my commitment to cover every single American. And it is just one component of a much broader effort to finally bring our health care system into the twenty-first century. That’s where the Economic Recovery and Reinvestment Plan that is now before Congress comes in.

Think about this – if Congress passes this recovery plan, in just one month, we’ll have done more to modernize our health care system than we’ve done in the past decade.

We’ll be on our way to computerizing all of America’s medical records, which won’t just eliminate inefficiencies, save billions of dollars and create tens of thousands of jobs – but will save lives by reducing deadly medical errors. We’ll have made the single largest investment in prevention and wellness in history – tackling problems like smoking and obesity, and helping people live longer, healthier lives. And we’ll have extended health insurance for the unemployed, so that workers who lose their jobs don’t lose their health care too.

Now, in the past few days I’ve heard criticisms of this plan that echo the very same failed theories that helped lead us into this crisis – the notion that tax cuts alone will solve all our problems; that we can address this enormous crisis with half-steps and piecemeal measures; that we can ignore fundamental challenges like the high cost of health care and still expect our economy and our country to thrive.

I reject these theories, and so did the American people when they went to the polls in November and voted resoundingly for change. So I urge members of Congress to act without delay. No plan is perfect, and we should work to make it stronger. But let’s not make the perfect the enemy of the essential. Let’s show people all over our country who are looking for leadership in this difficult time that we are equal to the task. Let’s give America’s families the support they need to weather this crisis.

In the end, that’s really all that folks like the Secrests are looking for – the chance to work hard, and to have that hard work translate into a good life for their kids. I’m pleased to report that their story had a happy ending – it turned out that Gregory’s two sons were eligible for CHIP, and they are now fully covered, much to his relief. I think Gregory put it best when he said: “Kids look at us and think ‘they’ll take care of us.’ That is our job – to keep them safe and healthy.”

That’s what I think about when I tuck my own girls into bed each night. That is what I want for every child – and every family – in this nation. That’s why it is so important that Congress passes our recovery plan – so we can get to work rebuilding America’s health care system.

It won’t be easy – and it won’t happen all at once. But the bill I sign today is a critical first step. So I want to thank all the state and local officials, advocates and ordinary citizens across America who’ve fought so hard to pass it. I want to thank all the members of Congress who have worked so tirelessly, for so long, so that we could see this day. And I want you all to know that I am confident that if we come together, and work together, we can finally achieve what generations of Americans have fought for and fulfill the promise of health care in our time
 

londonfog

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Big problem when people don't pay attention to whats really going on and just listen to the hate crew to get wrong information
 

doobnVA

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Guys, that bill he signed doesn't really do jack shit as far as health coverage for children is concerned. That program already existed, all he did was lower the income threshold so more people could qualify, include dental visits, etc. Bear in mind that income isn't the only qualification one has to meet, either, and it doesn't make health coverage any more affordable. If you couldn't afford it before, that isn't going to change because of this bill.


Also keep in mind I was responding to someone who said Obama had ASSURED health coverage for ALL children in America, which simply isn't the case.
 

doobnVA

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Big problem when people don't pay attention to whats really going on and just listen to the hate crew to get wrong information

Did you read the post I was responding to? That person said the first thing Obama did was to "assure health care for ALL children".

The bill he signed did not do that. Not even close.
 

doobnVA

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From your link:

President Barack Obama on Wednesday signed a law expanding a health program to include 3.5 million uninsured children



Does it say ALL children? No. Are there more than 3.5 million uninsured children in America? YES.

Did you read the post I was responding to? "The first thing Obama did was assure health care for ALL children"

I called it out as bullshit, which it was. Your links and copy/pastes from the children's healthcare bill don't disprove that.
 

londonfog

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Guys, that bill he signed doesn't really do jack shit as far as health coverage for children is concerned. That program already existed, all he did was lower the income threshold so more people could qualify, include dental visits, etc. Bear in mind that income isn't the only qualification one has to meet, either, and it doesn't make health coverage any more affordable. If you couldn't afford it before, that isn't going to change because of this bill.


Also keep in mind I was responding to someone who said Obama had ASSURED health coverage for ALL children in America, which simply isn't the case.
you are so lost its a wonder you found your way out of bed...Your statement shows just how lost you are.. but I guess you celebrated when Bush veto the same bill..These services cost money and if you don't have the money to pay for the service then guess what ..NO SERVICE...Barack Obama has signed a bill extending health coverage to 4 million uninsured children.The bill calls for spending an additional $32 billion with out that money what would they have used..geezzzz..you can't be that slow...I see the pattern no matter what this President does some people will still say it was nothing...Man this was for the kids and you say its nothing...and you a father:o
 

londonfog

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From your link:

President Barack Obama on Wednesday signed a law expanding a health program to include 3.5 million uninsured children



Does it say ALL children? No. Are there more than 3.5 million uninsured children in America? YES.

Did you read the post I was responding to? "The first thing Obama did was assure health care for ALL children"

I called it out as bullshit, which it was. Your links and copy/pastes from the children's healthcare bill don't disprove that.
and you are right so we need to give even more...thank you ...Healthcare for all
 

doobnVA

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you are so lost its a wonder you found your way out of bed...Your statement shows just how lost you are.. but I guess you celebrated when Bush veto the same bill..These services cost money and if you don't have the money to pay for the service then guess what ..NO SERVICE...Barack Obama has signed a bill extending health coverage to 4 million uninsured children.The bill calls for spending an additional $32 billion with out that money what would they have used..geezzzz..you can't be that slow...I see the pattern no matter what this President does some people will still say it was nothing...Man this was for the kids and you say its nothing...and you a father:o

I'M lost? You obviously can't comprehend what you're reading.

What statement shows how lost I am? The one where I said that bill doesn't assure health coverage for ALL children?

Show me where it says ALL children will now be covered. Hell, show me where it says 4 million children will RECEIVE coverage. It's expanding ELIGIBILITY (based on income) for 4 million children. Eligible doesn't mean covered.

I'm not a father, by the way, but I do have children and they STILL DON'T qualify for this "expanded" coverage despite the fact that I meet the income requirements.

So stuff it.
 

londonfog

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I'M lost? You obviously can't comprehend what you're reading.

What statement shows how lost I am? The one where I said that bill doesn't assure health coverage for ALL children?

Show me where it says ALL children will now be covered. Hell, show me where it says 4 million children will RECEIVE coverage. It's expanding ELIGIBILITY (based on income) for 4 million children. Eligible doesn't mean covered.

I'm not a father, by the way, but I do have children and they STILL DON'T qualify for this "expanded" coverage despite the fact that I meet the income requirements.

So stuff it.
Ok first you said he didnt do anything for the kids..now you saw that you were wrong you go to some lame " It don't say all"......lame...you right it don't say all..but its more then it was...I hope we can get healthcare for all past..then it will be all...one reason why we can't get weed legal is because we have people like yourself that don't know the issues and play pitty patty whilst grown folks trying to handle business..lame
 

doobnVA

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Hey don't pay taxes...will find some other way to pay for your roads,schools,fire dept,police,mail..etc..etc...:wall:
I don't pay taxes, and it seems "they" are doing okay building roads, schools, fire departments, etc, without it. In fact, they must be doing SO well, that they actually give me more money back every year than I paid in.

What's your point?
 

doobnVA

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Ok first you said he didnt do anything for the kids..now you saw that you were wrong you go to some lame " It don't say all"......lame...you right it don't say all..but its more then it was...I hope we can get healthcare for all past..then it will be all...one reason why we can't get weed legal is because we have people like yourself that don't know the issues and play pitty patty whilst grown folks trying to handle business..lame

No, first I said "Where's the health coverage for all kids that Obama supposedly gave us as his first action?", because that's what the post I was responding to claimed.

Read the bill. All it does is expand eligibility based on income for a program that already existed - which is government subsidized health insurance for children. Even if you qualify based on your income, there are numerous other reasons why you might not be eligible. 4 million is the POTENTIAL number of children who MIGHT BE eligible now, based on income. It also expands the program to include dental visits, vision, and some other things that weren't included previously.

Is this a good thing? Sure, for those who can afford the plan and were disqualified before because they made too much money. Does it really mean 4 million children who didn't have health insurance before are going to have it now? No.
 
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