WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG?? (PICS inside)

this is the specs for my grow

• its a micro grow cabinet 24in tallx 16in widex 9in deep, coverd in mylar
• 4 fans, 2x120mm pc fans for exhuast outside the box, 2x80mm inside the box , one for exhuast on top, and 1 for intake on bottom, the one on the inside for exhuast has a 120mm fan outside of it sharing the same whole (unsure if its hurting or helping)
• temps at around 72-80 degrees with lights on, around 66-71 lights off , 18/6
• DWC, 4in airstone , in A 6-quart sterilite container lid covered in mylar tape, and the bottom in ductape, it was a clear container,
  
• GH Flora Nutes, i'm using 1/2 strength lucas formula, so it's 4mL(micro) + 8mL(bloom), in spring bottled water has a ph between at about 6-7 i lowerd it a little with ph down from gh added 2 tablespoons of 3% hydrogen peroxide
• 2x42w 6500k & 2x23w 5000k CFL's for right now in veg

Their drooping horribly, I've been stuck on Google, reading everything i can about deficiency's an my plants don't seem to fall in any of those categories, I've tried to fix this last week, i just changed the res and it seemed to be picking up, then it just stared to droop again i don't know what the fuck to do, or what the fuck to type into google, This shit is starting to piss me off can some one please help me ?

here are some more pics if they help any

their colour is a little yellow, are the leafs flaccid or papery?


lose the airstone, big splashy bubbles will work better

i tie a fishing weight to the end of the tube just to keep it on the bottom. try that, and give it a few days then check if they dont improve

otherwise, you may need micronutrients, also a very important factor is the water temp is a setup like that, if the water stays warm the roots dont move the juice as effectively.

further, contemplate the CO2 needs of the plants. if they dont get CO2 air from outside the closet the plants just wont grow. adding a small yeast farm can help with that:


a large glass or ceramic bowl
2 packets active dry yeast (the type you use to make bread)
2 tablespoons of sugar
1 cup warm (NOT HOT) water

put the water in the bowl, stir in the sugar, stir in the yeast, put it in a corner of your cabinet

every few days add more warm water with a table spoon of sugar, and scrape off the top of the bloom to bake bread.

Some Leaves feel very soft, and some feel very papery,

When you say i need micro nutrients, are you refering to Something like Floramicro? because thats what I'm using

an the Yeast thing, is that beneficial to my problems as of now?
because i don't have much room in there to put a Cup or bowl in there without the plants dippin into the bowl

how far from the bottom of the netpots is the water??

yeah they are too wet dude. your roots look good but they are soaked. let them dry out a bit.

Have to agreee looks like over watering to me

What is your pH? If the air-pump is heating the water or not adding enough air to the solution- they look 'overwatered"... otherwise... check your pH, and follow the nute schedule for the nutes-- do not mix brands if it is not something you've already used and "dialed-in" before... follow the existing Mfg. chart-- the "add-ons" aren't a nessesity, but the basics and the measurements each week are crucial... remember- the charts are for people that dump the rez every week- otherwise, you have to follow their "phasic feeding" schedule...

If you need them... let me know-- I have them on my PC and can post em or PM them if you want.

Good luck on your grow!

Commander Strax said:

how far from the bottom of the netpots is the water??

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They are about i wanna say like a 1/2in above the water maybe a even a lil closer not sure

silasraven said:

yeah they are too wet dude. your roots look good but they are soaked. let them dry out a bit.

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How can dry them out ?, just take them out the res and leave them out for a bit?

LadyZandra said:

What is your pH? If the air-pump is heating the water or not adding enough air to the solution- they look 'overwatered"... otherwise... check your pH, and follow the nute schedule for the nutes-- do not mix brands if it is not something you've already used and "dialed-in" before... follow the existing Mfg. chart-- the "add-ons" aren't a nessesity, but the basics and the measurements each week are crucial... remember- the charts are for people that dump the rez every week- otherwise, you have to follow their "phasic feeding" schedule...

If you need them... let me know-- I have them on my PC and can post em or PM them if you want.

Good luck on your grow!

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Well my PH is around 5.8-6.0 as of late, i changed the res and its just plain water for right now, and the ph has been rising a lil but its staying in the 5-6 range, i ph up if i have to, but yeah go ahead and PM them so i can understand what exactly your referring 2

Right now they still are drooping, so runing plain water seems to not to not help at all cause its been 3 days with the fresh water and nothing

Man can i please get help ASAP, they are looking more worst everytime i check them!,

smokefacekillah said:

this is the specs for my grow

• its a micro grow cabinet 24in tallx 16in widex 9in deep, coverd in mylar
• 4 fans, 2x120mm pc fans for exhuast outside the box, 2x80mm inside the box , one for exhuast on top, and 1 for intake on bottom, the one on the inside for exhuast has a 120mm fan outside of it sharing the same whole (unsure if its hurting or helping)
• temps at around 72-80 degrees with lights on, around 66-71 lights off , 18/6
• DWC, 4in airstone , in A 6-quart sterilite container lid covered in mylar tape, and the bottom in ductape, it was a clear container,
• GH Flora Nutes, i'm using 1/2 strength lucas formula, so it's 4mL(micro) + 8mL(bloom), in spring bottled water has a ph between at about 6-7 i lowerd it a little with ph down from gh added 2 tablespoons of 3% hydrogen peroxide
• 2x42w 6500k & 2x23w 5000k CFL's for right now in veg

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Their drooping horribly, I've been stuck on Google, reading everything i can about deficiency's an my plants don't seem to fall in any of those categories, I've tried to fix this last week, i just changed the res and it seemed to be picking up, then it just stared to droop again i don't know what the fuck to do, or what the fuck to type into google, This shit is starting to piss me off can some one please help me ?

here are some more pics if they help any

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The roots need top breathe. that is over watering. drooping leafs curled at tips. yellowing from over watering too

Thank you for your help, So will dropping the water level help? and if so how long before i see any results?

smokefacekillah said:

Thank you for your help, So will dropping the water level help? and if so how long before i see any results?

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That depends on how long the overwatering has been happening. Yes, you need Ebb and flow. You need air time and water time. I don't do hyrdo but you need to make sure your roots are getting plenty of 'air' time. completely drain the water for a period of time. IS that aeroponics or ebb and flow or what? Im not sure what your sytem requires.

BUt on another note good job on your roots!!! That is amazing root growth! If you get this water cycle under control you will grow some great pot!

It's i believe its deep water culture, not sure if it has another name?

But Thanks, My grow was Beautiful the roots where nice and healthy and the leaves where a nice green colored healthy leaves, but then all of a sudden they started to droop, then i was lost, but this help a little at least i know what the issues is now, So i figured once a learn how to fix this problem nothing else should be to difficult,

So what i did was lower the water level about a full Inch away from the netpot, I put 5ml of gh micro &bloom nutes, I also squeezed the roots a little, to drain them a tad, and raise the lights up does this sound good to anyone? or could i make it worse this way?

smokefacekillah said:

It's i believe its deep water culture, not sure if it has another name?

But Thanks, My grow was Beautiful the roots where nice and healthy and the leaves where a nice green colored healthy leaves, but then all of a sudden they started to droop, then i was lost, but this help a little at least i know what the issues is now, So i figured once a learn how to fix this problem nothing else should be to difficult,

So what i did was lower the water level about a full Inch away from the netpot, I put 5ml of gh micro &bloom nutes, I also squeezed the roots a little, to drain them a tad, and raise the lights up does this sound good to anyone? or could i make it worse this way?

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i'll tell you what i have learned (this is my first grow) as far as dwc goes you want to slowly decrease water level till about 25% of roots are exposed to air. the rest will be in the water. you want as much oxygen going into the water as is possible. i had similar problem but mine was too little water. i sort of did the opposite of what you did. mine are recovering but is slow going. like i said this is my first grow maybe someone with more experience will chime in. also check the forums most of what i have learned i found in them.

but when you lower the water levels do you keep the nute strength the same?

I think i've made it worst now they are drooping even more?, Could it have anything to do with my nutes?

you can make a yeast farm in a soda bottle too, that would keep your leafs out of the bloom, but you need to increase aeration of the solution

i dont use the brand youre using but the label shows 5% N 5% P 5% K, so in the ratios youre using you dont have near enough N and far too much P and K for vegetative growth. the micronutirent levels seem ok (according to the label...) but you should be using FloraGrow and Floramicro in the majority, with just a splash of bloom.

i dont use that line, but following the directions is always the best place to start. follow the feeding schedule provided for those products and youll probably see improvement

and again i re-iterate, lose the airstone and let the air pump work more efficiently. your roots look good, but they appear a little yellow, and my experience with airstones has been pretty poor. they mineralize and become more of a cork than a bubble maker

try using just the tube for a few days and see if you dont get results

all the talk of overwatering is incorrect, in a DWC you cannot overwater, the roots should be fully submerged, thus there is no such thing as too much water. if your roots were drowning (dangerously insufficient aeration) they would be turning brown and slimy.

check your res temps, i like mine around 70F, below 60F the plants grow slow, and over 85F youre making soup stock.

the easiest way to cool your res is to keep the bubble pump in a cool spot (like in another room)so it pumps in cool air rather than warm. i keep mine in a separate room in my grow-shed, sitting on a metal grating for maximum airflow, and maximum coolness. this will make your pump last longer too, so it's win-win.

when shit gets really warm, i even add a little ice in the afternoons, in a plastic bag so it doesnt frost the rootlets and doesnt throw off my mix. im considering trying the Blue-Ice pouches.

Hey Listen to me, Ive used that exact setup before. From what im seeing your doing it all right minus the correct nutrient solution. You spring water is going to be missing alot of nutrients necessary to plant growth. What you need to do is look at all of the nutrients that you are using and assume that the water only has calcium in it. Even that should be added as well. Everything else has to be added. There are 10 essential elements needed for plant growth and from what your saying I doubt the correct levels of each nutrients are being used. For beginners even though it is a bit more i would go with advanced nutrients and run them at half strength with the connoisseur a+B and the other additives in there beginners grow kit.

If you could could you let me know exactly what you are adding to your res and how you are keeping track of ppm pH ad temperature?

Situation420 said:

If you could could you let me know exactly what you are adding to your res and how you are keeping track of ppm pH ad temperature?

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Well My setup is a little ghetto to say the least, so all i have is alittle alarm clock from avon, that also tells temperature which the whole box stays in its low 70s, and i measure the ph using, the PH drops that come with the GH tester kit that comes with the phUp &phDOWN, so i really just know the range the ph is in, it stays between the 5-6 range, and i have nothing to check the ppm yet, i'm going to be one as soon as i get paid.

As of now my res, has 5ml of GH floramicro & Bloom, and the PH is around 6, but thats cause it rose from the 5 range after its 6hr dark period cause i just changed it from fresh water so i think it rose cause the roots where eating up the nutes it didn't have for 2 days i guess.

OH and since i lowered the water level a little and they are are bouncing back some.

I'm not sure how low should i keep the water or how much nutes would i put in the little amount of water, all i know is i lowered it and i saw a result but if i have to much or to little water the same thing is going to happen so i have to figure out the perfect spot to have the water, cause as the roots drink the water lowers some i assume

One question tho, would the leaves ever droop like this if there was a problem with nutes, I'm barley getting the hang of this Nutrient stuff so i could use all the help i could get it, but thank you guys for all your help, if they where to grow some bud, i will take a hit for each and every one of you.