What the frack is this?????

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ocho

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I may already know the WHY but the WHAT is a little beyond me. Anyone know what this shit is? It is slimey...the texture and consistency of a large road rash scab when you sit in the tub for a while and it starts to come off. Like snot filled with chunks of booger.

Here is the situation:
I topped off some of my buckets with a solution of GH Flora-grow, Flora-Micro, & Flora-Nova. A touch of Hygrozyme. A touch of Superthrive. And lastly a bit of beneficial bacteria (Great White) for root health and stimulation.

When I topped them off, the water level was a little high. In as much as it came up into the expanded clay pellets. The drip rings were spurting a constant stream of water. Some buckets were covered with a lid to retard algae growth and the ones that were covered were the ones this slimey muck had built up the most with.

I figured I would just let the plants drink the excess and left the extra water in the buckets. I thought perhaps the increased water flow might be beneficial to the plants.

I notice this shit starting to form on my expanded clay pellets a couple of days later. Like I said, it's worse on the covered ones. I just scraped off the top layer of pellets, removed the lids and wiped the extra gunk off of where I could. All my drip rings were clogged and covered over with this stuff too. Nasty looking.

At one point, I noticed a wormey looking thing on one of the clay pellets. It was about 4 mm in length, very pale white. Tiny little thing. I'm not seeing any bugs in my canopy or on my leaves. Any ideas of a what it could be without a picture?

So....One fat ounce of karma to whomever can tell me what this gunk is.
 
WWShadow

WWShadow

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It looks like the white slime crap I fought with this year(my first garden) it kills off your roots. Hydrogen peroxide wile hep to knock it down but if you stop the H2O2 it comes right back. You'r using the same nutes I used so H2O2 will work. I was dumping a quart every rez change in a 25 gallon rez but it was 3% from wal-mart worked fine. I tried bleaching everything several times but it still came back. I even started adding a few drops of bleach to the rez work well also. make sure if you bleach your airstones you get them totally rinsed!!! yeah, I didn't get it rinsed one time & lost all the plants. Just veggies though as I am such a noob to growing I wanted to get an idea of how to get everything dialed in. The slime I dunno maybe someone at your hydro store can tell you. I think it is some form of root rot. check your roots, if it's the same slime I had your roots are gonna be in pretty bad shape. I'm dumping the clay pebbles for root guards. $5 wally world for a camping mat & cut them myself.
Once that stuff is in the clay pebbles you may not be able to get it out. Same reason they say not to use bleach on the hydroton. it absorbs the bleach & can kill your plants.

Good Luck with the grow man!
 
WWShadow

WWShadow

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I had one of those white worm things early on. looked like a grub of some sort. I never thought about it as it was just the one & it disappeared. it was crawling around in the hydroton
 
FeFiFoFUM

FeFiFoFUM

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ocho said:
View attachment 1194549

I may already know the WHY but the WHAT is a little beyond me. Anyone know what this shit is? It is slimey...the texture and consistency of a large road rash scab when you sit in the tub for a while and it starts to come off. Like snot filled with chunks of booger.

Here is the situation:
I topped off some of my buckets with a solution of GH Flora-grow, Flora-Micro, & Flora-Nova. A touch of Hygrozyme. A touch of Superthrive. And lastly a bit of beneficial bacteria (Great White) for root health and stimulation.

When I topped them off, the water level was a little high. In as much as it came up into the expanded clay pellets. The drip rings were spurting a constant stream of water. Some buckets were covered with a lid to retard algae growth and the ones that were covered were the ones this slimey muck had built up the most with.

I figured I would just let the plants drink the excess and left the extra water in the buckets. I thought perhaps the increased water flow might be beneficial to the plants.

I notice this shit starting to form on my expanded clay pellets a couple of days later. Like I said, it's worse on the covered ones. I just scraped off the top layer of pellets, removed the lids and wiped the extra gunk off of where I could. All my drip rings were clogged and covered over with this stuff too. Nasty looking.

At one point, I noticed a wormey looking thing on one of the clay pellets. It was about 4 mm in length, very pale white. Tiny little thing. I'm not seeing any bugs in my canopy or on my leaves. Any ideas of a what it could be without a picture?

So....One fat ounce of karma to whomever can tell me what this gunk is.
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Stop using the H2o2 if youre gonna use benefcial bacteria
Dont use superthrive if you have a dwc.
This kinda sounds like the crap I had, hard to tell without a pic but if it is, H202 Sm90 Physan20 or any other cleaning agent including bleach wont get rid of it, keeps it in check for a little while but it comes back, and comes back hard when it does. reason why... when you use H202 you kill off any beneficial bacteria you had and now the only thing left if what youre trying to get rid of. a user on this site, Heisenberg put me onto this stuff called EWC tea. check it out... its a thread in the dwc forum "brown slime algae" Not sure if thats exactly what you have, but EWC tea will probably fix your issue too. you can use H202 etc to treat and sterilize your ressy, but you have to be damn sure that other conditions in your res are spot on if youre gonna use H202 and not bennies. (light leaks, ressy temps Dissolved Oxygen)

As heisenberg told me, stay away from Superthrive in a DWC

another note, only use as much water as it takes to make it to the tips of the roots, if you have a good enough air pump and airstone diffusing the water then the bubbles exploding on the surface will keep the rest of the root mass wet.
 
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OK...First off. Is there a particular reason *why* not to use superthrive? I'm always doing a couple things different every time and am willing to give up using it if the advice is sound.


Thanks much for the responses too. Looking into this in a deep way.
 
endofwed

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great post FeFiFoFUM

would you helpful if you post your rest temp, grow room temp, etc. no idea on the superthrive though..but I have read others using it in dwc bubbleponics without any problems..
 
FeFiFoFUM

FeFiFoFUM

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ocho said:
OK...First off. Is there a particular reason *why* not to use superthrive? I'm always doing a couple things different every time and am willing to give up using it if the advice is sound.


Thanks much for the responses too. Looking into this in a deep way.
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I believe superthrive has something in it that helps the evil doers as far as dwcs go to be completely honest I dont know why..
I do know its true, I am currently battling brown slime algae myself. things got worse when I used superthrive, the person who told me about the ewc tea ( which is currently working it seems) told me about not using superthrive his advice is sound. Ill say like he did, superthrive is a great product and works, but in dwc its kinda not worth it. now im guessing if your other res conditions are good, light, temp, and D/O then you could probably use it and it be beneficial. but and no offense obviously conditions arent good cause your babies are sick,... just like mine.

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great post FeFiFoFUM

would you helpful if you post your rest temp, grow room temp, etc. no idea on the superthrive though..but I have read others using it in dwc bubbleponics without any problems..
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my max temps in my tent today were only 76f, yesterday only 82, max it has ever been was 83.8 my tent sits right next to my ac vent in the floor so tent temps are directly influenced by how much a/c or heat we use, in the summer, i never went above 76f cause the air was always on, yesterday was cold we had the heat on all day and it hit 82. today was alright so the heat hasnt been on much.
my res temps are an issue for me as well, right now they are at 75f which aint good. Ive taken measures since Ive gotten this brown slime algae ive put reflective tape on top and wrapped the bucket with duct insulation, right now Im freezing water bottles to use at keeping the temps in a desired range and I think thatll take care of that.

on a side note. I used superthrive as a staple in my first grow which was an NFT. and if you had of asked me then Ida said never leave home without it.
 
goodolboy

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all that is, is nutrient deposits that are dried. correct me if im wrong, but I bet that you had your drip line running to that side before this crap came along huh? then u turned the pot to get better root growth on the other side and next time u checked the white funk was there. I dont worry about it, but be sure to wash you hydroton off really good before re-using it. I think U will be fine, dont bother with the h202 unless your getting some sort of root fungus'.
 
FeFiFoFUM

FeFiFoFUM

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goodolboy said:
all that is, is nutrient deposits that are dried. correct me if im wrong, but I bet that you had your drip line running to that side before this crap came along huh? then u turned the pot to get better root growth on the other side and next time u checked the white funk was there. I dont worry about it, but be sure to wash you hydroton off really good before re-using it. I think U will be fine, dont bother with the h202 unless your getting some sort of root fungus'.
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Isnt the point of using things like H2O2 to prevent root fungus and other root dissease, as well as raising D/O levels in the ressy? I dunno, just seems to me if youre gonna use H2o2 then you shouldnt wait till youre plants are sick to use it,... would you put on a condom to fight herpes, or to keep from getting them?
 
bird mcbride

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I have seen this same stuff in a flood and drain system. This person watched a prize mother plant literally melt right in front of us. Even the clones cut off her melted. It has something to do with the combination your using. Don't know exactly but Im sure he's figured it out because he recommends superthrive. He doesn't have this problem anymore. Me? I stick with old farmer methods(basic compounds) but use clay gravel and lava rock in a flood and drain system.
 
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Did some washing. Cleaning. All girls are in new buckets. New (cleaned) view tubes on the side of my buckets. Nutes mixed up without superthrive now. GH flora bloom, micro and nova. Bit of great white, bit of hygrozyme.

I have disconnected the drip rings. All of the roots are touching the nute solution. I have also directed 2 air lines from my pump into each airstone. Basically took the line driving the drip ring and doubled it up with the one driving the airstone.

Starting my light switching regiment tomorrow morning.

Please, don't get me wrong...all of the plants look and feel fantastic. They are robust in growth, they are nice rich green. The stalks are strong and thick...The only weird is that stuff on my pellets ... on the top layer of pellets at that only. The gunk is not on my roots however. I have a couple of dingy brown areas of some roots but NO slimey feeling to them. I'll photo all the roots to show them off.

I noticed the gunky slime after having my drip rings run that continuous flow.....

I had wondered about this being a gelling of nutrients, etc since it was the worse on pots with the lids (ie couldn't dry out??)
 
bj.bubbler

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ocho said:
OK...First off. Is there a particular reason *why* not to use superthrive? I'm always doing a couple things different every time and am willing to give up using it if the advice is sound.


Thanks much for the responses too. Looking into this in a deep way.
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Yeah I had some slime issues when I used Superthrive in my res.... But I still use it in my spray bottle and my leaves love it.
 
bird mcbride

bird mcbride

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I was talking to some of my bro's and bj.bubbler's on the correct track with superthrive. Use it for folier feeding in hydro. I stick to old farmers methods. I get them pump up sprayers to do my plants but I still stick with the basics.
 
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ocho

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Got some H2O2 solution from the hydro store. Cleaning all buckets and parts. Eliminated the superthrive from my solution.

We'll see how this goes.
 
bird mcbride

bird mcbride

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ocho said:
Got some H2O2 solution from the hydro store. Cleaning all buckets and parts. Eliminated the superthrive from my solution.

We'll see how this goes.
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I really hope everything works out for you. My uncle Bob uses H202. I'm not knocking you but I would never put H2O2 in my res. I told my uncle Bob that I could grow pot in a pile of rocks. He told me I'm fucked, he said pot prefers sandy soil and would never be able to grow in a pile of rocks. I gave up on Bob and he still grows the usual shitty weed. He won't smoke my weed because he says the only reason you get so high off of it is because he believes it's loaded full of chemicals. He thinks the crystals are on my bud because he believes that I spray my weed with sugar water and he also beleives that it's the sugar that I spray on my weed that makes it taste so sweet. The fact is I use 1/6 the amount of fertilizer in my F&D than Bob's dirt grow would use on the same grow. I cure my weed in a way that Bob could not possibly understand. That's why Bobs buds taste and looks like grungy old home grown. Over twenty years have gone by and he still grows in dirt and he still beleives the same shit.
 
FeFiFoFUM

FeFiFoFUM

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I wouldnt use H2O2 anymore myself, Now that Ive learned about them I think benneficial bacteria are the only way to go, at least for me that is.
 
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I'm not usually of a fan of chemicals. Prior to my switch to hydro. The H2O2 is working alongside of this other solution the hydro store recommended. There are 3 girls that have the most fizz on the roots...the other 5 are beautiful and happy. No slime. No fizz. White BIG masses. I'm trying to make it through this cycle and then re-set from there. New genetics, new nutes, and a different approach when it comes to the BBs vs Chems. I left dirt behind over a year ago but this is the first I have seen this problem pop up.

I most def need to do more research on BBs and how I'm mixing my nutes and what nutes I am using. Prior to this I had a partner too and I have been using his formula. About time I branched out and did a little diversifying.

And I don't take anything as a knocking on me. There are THOUSANDS of years of experience here on this board and on similar boards all over. I wouldn't put my work on display if I didn't want some critique. The devil is in the details and group sourced advice and experience is priceless. So, I enjoy learning what others have been doing and what others may think may help. We all have that little something that makes our crops sweet.

I may run this stuff a little bit longer and switch to BBs once I'm sure the ick is gone. These babies have been a load of work but well worth it.
 
bird mcbride

bird mcbride

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In the summer months I draw my water from my slowhole and I get the best results. It's runoff water from the mountain. Of course I run it through a filter. I don't get any problems from bacteria.
 
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