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oTwix

oTwix

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Ok, Don't really know where to start. So let's just give everyone a little background. This is my 2nd go. A general overview of what happened my first time. Bought All purpose miracle grow for my plant. It was something like 12-8-6. Read online it said high Nitrogen when veging. So that's where that decision came from. Plant blew up looked great. Thought it was fine. Didn't do enough research so. The plant grew probably 6 and a half feet tall, Really bushy, just a mess. I topped it a few times during veg. So there was a lot of colas. Was stoked. Fast forward to harvest. Was out, they flowered for 60 days chopped them down more than likely to soon. Nasty airy bud, shit potency etc. Harvested 2.5 oz off it. Of garbage shit, I had to smoke.

Next go, bought 3 part series, GH Flora Bloom. Started feeding it that around 2.5 to 2.7 weeks into flowering. Buds blew up Huge twice the size of the other one. Tested the waters Ph. Just not PPM. Mind you all I have given this plant was The Miricula grow all purpose tell 2.5 weeks flowering then switched to GH. That's it. No Epsom salts. Or anything.

But let's get to the point because I really want to post this and start getting some replies. Had 2 big beautiful plants both have been feeding the right nutrients since 2.5 weeks flowering. Lights were GalaxyHydro 300W "Full Spectrum" LED Grow light at the top. As well as, 3 100w LED like regular house light, damn things were like 6 bucks a pop. On both lower sides of the plant. But ok I was out of stuff. So I did was I could to last as long as I can. Then went without for awhile, So I decided to look up mutating methods online. First thing I did was turn the light from 12 12 to 13 11 then to 14 10. At the price of some quantity apparently is what I read. Either or Didn't really know how to flush, thought I had but apparently not good enough. Only harvest one. The smaller one. Left the other one. Buds still seem a little airy not bad at all tho, at least twice as dense as last time. Basically, I just want to know, What I can do next time to Get more dense nugs that don't taste like dick. And increase my yeild. I've read online a decent amount of people saying they get 4 + oz off their indoor grows. I grow in a walk-in shower. You know the little shower you stand up in and close the door. it's probably 4 by 4 by 10.

I've recently done this like 4 days ago. So I've tried the stuff and it tastes like shit. But is really good stuff. Trichomes everywhere Just not too dense either.

Today tho, for the second time. Not in the same day. I've flushed that other plant trying to get out the nutrients. I put 1 gallon of water in the bucket. 5 mins later started pouring gallon after gallon into it tell I seen clear water run off. It's in 5-gallon bucket. And when I say good stuff I'm not a first time every now and then smoker lol, I've been smoking since I was 12. And a regular smoker since idk may 20. Almost 26 now. I made some wax out of some of it and it was really good as well. I just want some good clean nice tasting shit I grew to smoke. I've got one plant left well in that stage of flowering lol. But it has probably got 2ish or more oz on it. And I want this one to at least taste better.

Any and all information from people who actually know what they are talking about would be very much appreciated and I'm sure this is all over the place. I tried to keep it as structured as possible. I'll try to reply to any advice or question in a timely manner. Thanks in advance

I'll post pictures of My last plant. Well, what picture I have left. And I'll take whatever kind of picture you guys what and post what I can on here when I figure it out and can actually do so.

-Nameless
 
Kerovan

Kerovan

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Where are you getting your seeds? The taste and smell is almost 100% genetics. Bad curing can affect them, but the growing method won't. As for the light and airy buds, that is insufficient lighting. A "300W Galaxy Hydro" is barely enough for one small plant that stayed less than 24 inches tall and then keep the light really close to it. If you want big harvests you need big lights.
 
oTwix

oTwix

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It was in a bag. I had two seeds to start with. And I'm pretty sure I got both of them here. From a bag of some good bud. So I knew I had two good genetic seeds so I had to keep them around just because.. Then one day I planted both and one didn't make it. I'm not 100% positive it has good genetics I just presume so based on the circumstances.

That's not the only light I have in the room. Idk if my little 100 watt bulbs are relevant. I have 6 of them as well. But I mean I got 1.5 oz dried off the first one. And Guessing to get around 2. to 2.5 off the next. So my question is why did I get so much off them then? Granted they are not as dense as I would prefer. But I would think You wouldn't get that much. - Because I've read on this site lol, people saying on average you get 1.5 to 2 off of one plant. Idk maybe it was to big when I flowered it at first. That's why I got that much. Because standing from the ground out of a 5 gallon buck it's at least to my chest. So the plant itself is 4 to 5 ft tall. Obviously with a bigger light I would yield more. But I mean can't I get the same quality dense nugs (if they were) just less of them with that light?

Thanks for the reply
 
Kerovan

Kerovan

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oTwix said:
It was in a bag. I had two seeds to start with. And I'm pretty sure I got both of them here. From a bag of some good bud. So I knew I had two good genetic seeds so I had to keep them around just because.. Then one day I planted both and one didn't make it. I'm not 100% positive it has good genetics I just presume so based on the circumstances.

That's not the only light I have in the room. Idk if my little 100 watt bulbs are relevant. I have 6 of them as well. But I mean I got 1.5 oz dried off the first one. And Guessing to get around 2. to 2.5 off the next. So my question is why did I get so much off them then? Granted they are not as dense as I would prefer. But I would think You wouldn't get that much. - Because I've read on this site lol, people saying on average you get 1.5 to 2 off of one plant. Idk maybe it was to big when I flowered it at first. That's why I got that much. Because standing from the ground out of a 5 gallon buck it's at least to my chest. So the plant itself is 4 to 5 ft tall. Obviously with a bigger light I would yield more. But I mean can't I get the same quality dense nugs (if they were) just less of them with that light?

Thanks for the reply
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Just because the weed the seed came from was good does not mean the seeds will produce good weed. I've stopped growing bagseed for precisely that reason. I grown some that turned out like yours. It came from extremely good weed that anybody would kill to have. But the plants that grew from the seeds tasted and smelled like shit and almost made me sick just taking a single toke of it.

As to why you go "so much"? You didn't get hardly anything all for the size of your plant. 2.5 oz's is what you would get off of a healthy 22 inch plant with proper lighting. A 6 ft tall plant at finish should yield close to a pound of dried bud.

Your 300W galaxy hydro is really only around 100W, they lie about the ratings. For that brand of light you would want at bare minimum what they would call 600W and still supplement that with your current light and then turn your plants to 12/12 to flower when they got about 12-16 inches tall. Even that would be too little lighting, but it would better.
 
Indacouch

Indacouch

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As far as the plant tasting like dick...not sure that has much to do with grow technique or genetics....what were you doing prior to smoking?









@srh88 second good deed for the day.
 
Kerovan

Kerovan

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As a side note, I am far from the best grower here. My lighting is too weak, but it is a vastly higher output than yours. I use a 400W high pressure sodium supplemented by 2 90W ufo leds. Each of those ufo led's are close to equivalent to your galaxy hydro because they are the real wattage and not the fake wattage that galaxy hydro reports. And the 400W high pressure sodium is 400W and hps is the gold standard of growing good bud. If I had a 600W hps I would get a lot more yield. But even with my lighting I get 4-6 oz's dried and cured from plants that are about 30-36 inches tall at finish. I turn them to 12/12 to flower when they are 4-5 weeks old and about 12-14 inches tall. When flowering the lights are kept about 6 inches from the tops of the plants.
 
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Gumdrawp

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Miracle grow probably made it taste like shit, or there's just too much nitrogen left in the plant, they kind of just taste/smell like straw if they're too heavy on n in the end. Also my popcorn has much less of an odor, so maybe the fact that they're not bulking up and getting dense they just dont have enough resins/terpenes to smell.

You really need ~400 true watts equivalence to grow a large sized plant and get dense nugs most of the way down as far as I know. White led light seems to do better than the blurple lights too. 400 true watts is probably 1000-1200w at what led companies advertise at.
 
growin-Jables

growin-Jables

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Step one - avoid miracle grow. Get something better proven for marijauna grow. Fox Farms ocean forest is a popular one. I use that personally.

Step 2 - forget bag seeds. Waste of time in my opinion unless your just starting out and learning like you are. Genetics has a huge roll in overall quality..

Step 3- although that 300w led will work....your going to want more light and something better penetrating if your wanting big dense buds. Some pricey leds will give you that. But for 200 bucks you can get a 400w hps/mh setup and be golden. My very first harvest ever I got 4.2 ozs of big beautiful buds using 400w hps AND a 450w led. Gotta pay to play lol20170929_172941.jpg 20170929_173011.jpg
 
smokebros

smokebros

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growin-Jables said:
Step one - avoid miracle grow. Get something better proven for marijauna grow. Fox Farms ocean forest is a popular one. I use that personally.

Step 2 - forget bag seeds. Waste of time in my opinion unless your just starting out and learning like you are. Genetics has a huge roll in overall quality..

Step 3- although that 300w led will work....your going to want more light and something better penetrating if your wanting big dense buds. Some pricey leds will give you that. But for 200 bucks you can get a 400w hps/mh setup and be golden. My very first harvest ever I got 4.2 ozs of big beautiful buds using 400w hps AND a 450w led. Gotta pay to play lolView attachment 4021612 View attachment 4021614
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Damn, you said pretty much everything I was going to.

1. Increase light penetration, bigger/better lights.
2. Get solid genetics. It's like trying to win a race in a car with stock parts vs a performance enhanced one.
3. Provide the plants with better nutrients. You don't need to break the bank here. I've been using Dyna Grow with great success. Buy a bottle of Foliage Pro 9-3-6 and just use it start to finish (veg & bloom).
 
growin-Jables

growin-Jables

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smokebros said:
Damn, you said pretty much everything I was going to.

1. Increase light penetration, bigger/better lights.
2. Get solid genetics. It's like trying to win a race in a car with stock parts vs a performance enhanced one.
3. Provide the plants with better nutrients. You don't need to break the bank here. I've been using Dyna Grow with great success. Buy a bottle of Foliage Pro 9-3-6 and just use it start to finish (veg & bloom).
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Honestly, nutes arent even the biggest factor. They help yes. But even the cheapest nutrient supplements if used properly can produce quality yields. It's not so much which brand of bloom nutes is best. It's how there used
 
growin-Jables

growin-Jables

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oTwix said:
It was in a bag. I had two seeds to start with. And I'm pretty sure I got both of them here. From a bag of some good bud. So I knew I had two good genetic seeds so I had to keep them around just because.. Then one day I planted both and one didn't make it. I'm not 100% positive it has good genetics I just presume so based on the circumstances.

That's not the only light I have in the room. Idk if my little 100 watt bulbs are relevant. I have 6 of them as well. But I mean I got 1.5 oz dried off the first one. And Guessing to get around 2. to 2.5 off the next. So my question is why did I get so much off them then? Granted they are not as dense as I would prefer. But I would think You wouldn't get that much. - Because I've read on this site lol, people saying on average you get 1.5 to 2 off of one plant. Idk maybe it was to big when I flowered it at first. That's why I got that much. Because standing from the ground out of a 5 gallon buck it's at least to my chest. So the plant itself is 4 to 5 ft tall. Obviously with a bigger light I would yield more. But I mean can't I get the same quality dense nugs (if they were) just less of them with that light?

Thanks for the reply
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Exactly....a plant that size when grown to its full potential can range between half pound up to a pound or more. My big outdoor plant that got almost no direct sunlight during flower yielded 4 oz. It was 4 ft tall and 4 ft wide. And I considered it a pretty poor yiield and the quality was only decent on selecr buds. The rest had little visible trichs. Keep practicing and learning as much as you can. Ultimately though, unless your an expert....its gonna cost a good amount of money to harvest ehat your expecting . If you have any questions man feel free yo hit me up!
 
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smokebros

smokebros

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growin-Jables said:
Honestly, nutes arent even the biggest factor. They help yes. But even the cheapest nutrient supplements if used properly can produce quality yields. It's not so much which brand of bloom nutes is best. It's how there used
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Nutrients area indeed a big factor. Products like Miracle Grow are not ideal for growing cannabis. They could likely be the catalyst for why OP is having issues when he/she switches into flower. Could be salt build up. Could by PH imbalance. Could even be that Miracle Grow doesn't source high quality macro and micro elements to put into their product.
Either way you dice it up the MG has to go.

Also.. nutrient brands do matter. Obviously there is finesse and user variables involved, but not all nutrients are the same. Lots of companies don't even bottle their own products. They have a 3rd party formulate and bottle the recipe and slap their label on it. These 3rd party companies arent doing this for one single nutrient company, they do it for many.
On the other hand there are companies that go above and beyond to formulate their nutrients. They use ingredients that are purer and more available for the plant to absorb. Some put chelating agents in their bottles and some have other beneficials inside that are unlisted like trichoderma in jumpstart.

Anyways, not trying to jump down your throat, but nutrients do matter.
 
oTwix

oTwix

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Thanks everyone for your replies. I really do appreciate it. Sorry I couldn't get earlier. I took a few pictures of my plant that is left this morning and I'll attach it to this reply. The point is just to show you what I am working with according to my situation, IMG_4170.JPG






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oTwix

oTwix

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Oh, and the leaves are extremely drupey lol if that how you spell it. because I've recently flushed it like 2 times in a few days. Really trying to get the medium clean. It has nitrogen abundance has since day 1 pretty much. Didn't know I should have flushed it before I transitioned to the new nutrients. The whole Idea is, trying to get this plant to taste decent so I can have something that is enjoyable to smoke.
 
growin-Jables

growin-Jables

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smokebros said:
Nutrients area indeed a big factor. Products like Miracle Grow are not ideal for growing cannabis. They could likely be the catalyst for why OP is having issues when he/she switches into flower. Could be salt build up. Could by PH imbalance. Could even be that Miracle Grow doesn't source high quality macro and micro elements to put into their product.
Either way you dice it up the MG has to go.

Also.. nutrient brands do matter. Obviously there is finesse and user variables involved, but not all nutrients are the same. Lots of companies don't even bottle their own products. They have a 3rd party formulate and bottle the recipe and slap their label on it. These 3rd party companies arent doing this for one single nutrient company, they do it for many.
On the other hand there are companies that go above and beyond to formulate their nutrients. They use ingredients that are purer and more available for the plant to absorb. Some put chelating agents in their bottles and some have other beneficials inside that are unlisted like trichoderma in jumpstart.

Anyways, not trying to jump down your throat, but nutrients do matter.
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Right I understand man. What I was getting at was untill you have become equipped with those first few neccessitys like having a light with a solid footprint. Quality soil and genetics. Having the best brand nutrients are not going to be the deal breaker or bring out there full potential. Once more experience and equipment is collected. Then obviously nutrients plays a big roll from then on out.
 
Blenko420

Blenko420

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Kerovan said:
As a side note, I am far from the best grower here. My lighting is too weak, but it is a vastly higher output than yours. I use a 400W high pressure sodium supplemented by 2 90W ufo leds. Each of those ufo led's are close to equivalent to your galaxy hydro because they are the real wattage and not the fake wattage that galaxy hydro reports. And the 400W high pressure sodium is 400W and hps is the gold standard of growing good bud. If I had a 600W hps I would get a lot more yield. But even with my lighting I get 4-6 oz's dried and cured from plants that are about 30-36 inches tall at finish. I turn them to 12/12 to flower when they are 4-5 weeks old and about 12-14 inches tall. When flowering the lights are kept about 6 inches from the tops of the plants.
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I hear ya man im on my first ever grow using 2x600 watt hps over 6 blue cheese grown from clone. Very happy to hear you get 4-6 ounce a plant makes me giddy as to what my 2 600watt hps might achieve come harvet in 2-3 weeks time.
 
chemphlegm

chemphlegm

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Kerovan said:
Where are you getting your seeds?

The taste and smell is almost 100% genetics. Bad curing can affect them, but the growing method won't. .
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FALSE !

the growing method is exactly what makes them express these traits , or not.

like try growing pot with no ferts....tastes and smells like hay, even a cup winning strain. (I never grew a shitty strain, of hundreds and hundreds none were shitty. I fucked some up and they didnt smell or taste like their clones that were not fucked up though.

an improper drying control can make the best weed into shitty weed too. where do you get your info from anyways? lol
 
Kerovan

Kerovan

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chemphlegm said:
FALSE !

the growing method is exactly what makes them express these traits , or not.

like try growing pot with no ferts....tastes and smells like hay, even a cup winning strain. (I never grew a shitty strain, of hundreds and hundreds none were shitty. I fucked some up and they didnt smell or taste like their clones that were not fucked up though.

an improper drying control can make the best weed into shitty weed too. where do you get your info from anyways? lol
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I got my information form 30+ years of growing..
 
chemphlegm

chemphlegm

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Kerovan said:
I got my information form 30+ years of growing..
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Kerovan said:
The taste and smell is almost 100% genetics. Bad curing can affect them, but the growing method won't. .
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and this misinformation is what you took away from 30 yrs?

dude, check this out.


the best weed seeds will produce bunk without proper controls regardless of the genetics. this is tried and true and well known
your statement does not agree with this though
plant grow to their weakest resource. the best lights in the world wont make good buds if over/underfed for instance, or high humidity or high heat or freezing conditions aye? makes your statement false

its easy to blame genetics on a bunk produce, but really its pilot error. your plants do the best they can with what they have.
ac, rh, temps, c02, air flow, o2 root zone etc all are deciding factors in any grow, along with genetics. hundreds of cup winners grown here and some were great, some were not my type, some I fucked up. they all were stinky good tasting stoners, but the ones I fucked up were my fault, and they didnt smell or taste or stone right.

you diggin what I'm laying down?
 
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