Fungus amOnguz
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they'll be fine, idk if theyll be feminized tho
What percentage of a female do you have from hermie seeds?
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BigBudBalls
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Semi along this thread, But if I stressed a female into hermie, will the pollen from the male sacs that pollinate a female give me fem seeds or just reg seeds that have the hermie trait? Or just crap seeds?
I've read a few posts on this and I'm still confused.
I've read a few posts on this and I'm still confused.
ganjagoddess
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You will get CRAP seeds that are going to be male and female with a predisposition to become hermie...
StellaBlue
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sounds like any other seed so I don't see how they are crap?
ganjagoddess
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Here is how I derive that all seeded bud that you buy contains poor genetics based on the assumption that you do not know what you have.
Yeah Ok they may be some Jack herer seeds or what not, but why use them, when you could buy good proven gentics from strong healthy mothers that you can gurantee will be what you hoped for...
Long story short bag seed could be ok, but why risk it....
Yeah Ok they may be some Jack herer seeds or what not, but why use them, when you could buy good proven gentics from strong healthy mothers that you can gurantee will be what you hoped for...
Long story short bag seed could be ok, but why risk it....
StellaBlue
Active Member
yeah but I'm talking about using a hermi derived from feminized trainwreck seeds. Since it's rare to get males from fem seeds can I get my next crops seeds from a hermi? What is lost by doing so if anything? Or are feminized seeds a one time thing except for cloning?
StellaBlue
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Yeah again, Balls is asking the same thing, were not talking about growing bag seed. The question is when collecting seeds from a hermi of quality fem genetics what do you get?
From what I've read seeds are just seeds hermi or not. But I can't seem to find the answer for the case of originally having a fem seed go hermi, whats passed along from those seeds?
From what I've read seeds are just seeds hermi or not. But I can't seem to find the answer for the case of originally having a fem seed go hermi, whats passed along from those seeds?
ganjagoddess
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If you did that you would basically be breeding seed and selecting for two traits:
Female and HERMI prone
A fem seed is created by forcing hermi (female pollen) on a normal female and the resulting seeds are feminised...
using those seeds and repeating that same process you would be making second gen HERMI PRONE FEM seeds.
BUT there in lies the problem....
ED Rosanthal can be quoted as saying that only first generation FEM seed are safe to grow, because as you go down generations in doing that the seeds are extremely prone to hermi so easy it is not funny.
I will post the ED quote for you to read...
"
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]FEMINIZE THE SEED?
[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]It is at this point that you may wish to create feminized seed. These F1 hybrids will be used for planting in gardens, rather than for breeding. With feminized seeds, the grower knows that every plant is female because the seeds were produced using pollen from male flowers that were induced to grow on female plants. None of the pollen contains male genetics so they grow only into female plants. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]There are a number of ways to create feminized seed. These include using chemicals such as aspirin and hormones such as gibberellic acid.It is easier to breed females to females using chemically-induced or stress-induced male flowers that produce pollen on female plants (forced hermaphrodites). However, plants that are induced to produce male flowers may have a slightly higher proclivity toward hermaphroditism than the general population. Using them for breeding may be inadvertently selecting for hermaphroditism.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] There is little chance that plants grown from first-generation feminized seed will become hermaphroditic, so they are ideal for using in the garden. As the two lines were bred to themselves, the plants lost some of their vitality or vigor. This results from the genetic makeup becoming more homogeneous as siblings are bred to each other or progeny are backcrossed to parents. When the two lines are crossed, they produce a hybrid that will exhibit hybrid vigor. Once a desirable hybrid is created, it is possible to take cuttings from it and its clone progeny repeatedly without loss of vigor."[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]You can do so though, and my bet is nature will work in its own unpredicatable ways.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]I bet you go as much as 3 or generations without affecting the satbility of the gender of the plant too much...[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]From clone is the best way though...
[/FONT]
Female and HERMI prone
A fem seed is created by forcing hermi (female pollen) on a normal female and the resulting seeds are feminised...
using those seeds and repeating that same process you would be making second gen HERMI PRONE FEM seeds.
BUT there in lies the problem....
ED Rosanthal can be quoted as saying that only first generation FEM seed are safe to grow, because as you go down generations in doing that the seeds are extremely prone to hermi so easy it is not funny.
I will post the ED quote for you to read...
"
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]FEMINIZE THE SEED?
[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]It is at this point that you may wish to create feminized seed. These F1 hybrids will be used for planting in gardens, rather than for breeding. With feminized seeds, the grower knows that every plant is female because the seeds were produced using pollen from male flowers that were induced to grow on female plants. None of the pollen contains male genetics so they grow only into female plants. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]There are a number of ways to create feminized seed. These include using chemicals such as aspirin and hormones such as gibberellic acid.It is easier to breed females to females using chemically-induced or stress-induced male flowers that produce pollen on female plants (forced hermaphrodites). However, plants that are induced to produce male flowers may have a slightly higher proclivity toward hermaphroditism than the general population. Using them for breeding may be inadvertently selecting for hermaphroditism.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] There is little chance that plants grown from first-generation feminized seed will become hermaphroditic, so they are ideal for using in the garden. As the two lines were bred to themselves, the plants lost some of their vitality or vigor. This results from the genetic makeup becoming more homogeneous as siblings are bred to each other or progeny are backcrossed to parents. When the two lines are crossed, they produce a hybrid that will exhibit hybrid vigor. Once a desirable hybrid is created, it is possible to take cuttings from it and its clone progeny repeatedly without loss of vigor."[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]You can do so though, and my bet is nature will work in its own unpredicatable ways.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]I bet you go as much as 3 or generations without affecting the satbility of the gender of the plant too much...[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]From clone is the best way though...
[/FONT]
StellaBlue
Active Member
Alright thank you! thats what I was fishing for.
ganjagoddess
Well-Known Member
Sorry took me a minute to get what you were sayin....lol 
