What led is best value for small grow

jimjim2609

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I currently have a small grow area. L70cm x H55cm xW40cm. so im not after and high power lights. My question is which led combination is going to be better for my area. I have found a pack of 10 x 60 led 3w E27 bulb(3/60=0.05w each led) for just under $50 or i have also found a DIY led panel with 12 x 3w leds with my choice of any led colour they stock for about $65 delivered. Which led would give me better results. I will probably also run a couple of 23w cfl's as side lighting? any ideas
 

Bumping Spheda

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I like the second option better. Those E27 "bulbs" probably have light being emitted in 360 degrees, right? I'd much rather run a scrog or something and have the panels on top shooting down into the canopy.

You got a link for those DIY LED panels?
 

Trailingpickles

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I currently have a small grow area. L70cm x H55cm xW40cm. so im not after and high power lights. My question is which led combination is going to be better for my area. I have found a pack of 10 x 60 led 3w E27 bulb(3/60=0.05w each led) for just under $50 or i have also found a DIY led panel with 12 x 3w leds with my choice of any led colour they stock for about $65 delivered. Which led would give me better results. I will probably also run a couple of 23w cfl's as side lighting? any ideas

Just get a decent ufo. It'll fit right in there nicely get 5 band or higher. red and blue arn't going to do the trick.
 

bassclef

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Generally name brand LEDs have a higher efficiency than no-name. Also check the datasheets for how bright they are at a given current.
 

Chronikool

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I think you should go for something like a 7 x 1w (7w) E27 bulb (s) A mix of Cool white and warm white....forget the CFL's.

Baking trays for home made reflectors to keep the light directed.

Heat will be manageable in this smaller space.

Penetration will be better in the 1w diodes aswell.

I used them to great success in my 1st LED grow. :)
 

Bumping Spheda

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That's a lot of Blue, imo, in those E27's. I also don't like the diffuser in front of the LED's. I'm sure it will get you through a grow or two before you save a bit for a better light, however, and they'd make great supplementals.

I actually like that DIY kit still. Call me crazy, but if you can choose the spectrum without any added cost (as in they don't charge more for Red LED's) I think you'd be hard pressed to build the same panel for very much cheaper on your own.

This is a post I made in another thread:
This is just a suggestion.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/wdm-2pcs-Aluminum-heatsink-core-PCB-36-pcs-HP-LEDs-seres-225-193mm-/170843835766
Message Merry and tell her what you want. She has a large selection of 1W and 3W diodes. She'll solder them to the heatsink core for you in the pattern/order you decide free of charge (ask her if she is willing to solder the LED's after discussing parts/cost), she'll recommend an LED driver, and she packages everything very well ime. Past that all you need to do is JB Weld the heatsink core to an extruded Aluminum heat sink of the right size (larger than the heatsink core) and solder the driver output and input wires accordingly. This is easier than a kit, imho, since you're not soldering hundreds of connections and nothing that you do have to solder is heat sensitive.

Here's mine:
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blowincherrypie

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You will for sure be able to grow some but my guess would be the end result will be closest to high watt CFL.. Good luck with whatever
 

Bumping Spheda

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I currently have a small grow area. L70cm x H55cm xW40cm...
He's not exactly growing to feed the block, guys.

jimjim: Have you seen or thought of these?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Philips-A-19-10-Watt-L-Prize-Award-Winner-Dimmable-LED-Light-Bulb-/140916730835?pt=US_Light_Bulbs&hash=item20cf4aabd3
I've read that the newer model (this is the newer model, the older model has a much darker phosphor lens, it's almost Orange) actually utilizes Red LED's behind the phosphor to achieve a higher CRI. Not sure about what wavelength Red that they use, but this means there's Red+Blue chips back there and the phosphor lens is excited by the Blue and emits some Green, Yellow, Orange, Red, and IR to round off the spectra. Could be sweet, but you'd probably want a reflector on it.

Then again, you're still only getting about 0.3-0.5W/$1 with any of these options. I aim for 1W/$1. What would you say your dollar limit is?
 

jimjim2609

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I haven't seen them lights before. The only problem is living in Australia we run 240v electricity through our houses, and i have found many bulbs from the States are only 110v and American sellers dont tend to send bulbs to Australia.
My dollar limit is between $50 to $75. I don't want to go to big in wattage simply because of the cost of electricity out here. The power companies are charging $0.25/kwh so even a 150w-250w starts to get a bit pricey. I know it doesn't sound like much but when your adding another $100-$150 to an electricity bill that's already $450 for 3 months, it starts to get out of hand (especially only being on a pension).
I know you don't need green in the spectra but is it important to have yellow, orange and IR?
Do you think i still need a reflector as i have lined the space with a mylar emergency blanket including the roof?
 

Chronikool

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I haven't seen them lights before. The only problem is living in Australia we run 240v electricity through our houses, and i have found many bulbs from the States are only 110v and American sellers dont tend to send bulbs to Australia.
My dollar limit is between $50 to $75. I don't want to go to big in wattage simply because of the cost of electricity out here. The power companies are charging $0.25/kwh so even a 150w-250w starts to get a bit pricey. I know it doesn't sound like much but when your adding another $100-$150 to an electricity bill that's already $450 for 3 months, it starts to get out of hand (especially only being on a pension).
I know you don't need green in the spectra but is it important to have yellow, orange and IR?
Do you think i still need a reflector as i have lined the space with a mylar emergency blanket including the roof?
Ahhh another beauty of LEDs...multi-voltage of 85-265v. :D
 

jimjim2609

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Great thread was wondering what you guys thought about these ones I was looking at or similar like panels... think they would work for like a rubbermaid grow or a tent possibly ty ty

http://www.ebay.com/itm/130745636134
I think the biggest problem with ones like that is the power of each led. From what i know you need at least 1w led's to penetrate the canopy. I might be wrong but thats what i am led to believe. It's not a bad colour ratio though.
 

Bumping Spheda

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Kyanite: I'd rather use these. I'd keep my eye on this thread if it interests you. I've never seen a grow like this done before, and if the yields are as good as the veg results this could be a really nice discovery!

jimjim: Yikes. That makes things more difficult in terms of the Philips L Prize.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Philips-12W-60W-2700K-Master-Dimmable/dp/B004FUFGXW
That right there is the older version, you can see the phosphor is much darker. Rated for 240V with a bayonet fitting! Aaaaand it's out of stock... and good Lord, the price.

If you're into the DIY route:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/100W-Warm-White-High-Power-LED-Lamp-Panel-100W-High-Power-LED-Driver-AC85-265V-/160933939292?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item257869085c
100W Warm White LED. Universal voltage driver.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835186070
Cooling capacity of 100W.

All you need after that is:
- a small 12VDC x 150mA-200mA charger (maybe you've got one lying around your house?)
- a wall plug to solder onto the input wires of the LED driver
- thermal silicone/plaster/epoxy to thermally bond the LED to the heat sink

Believe it or not, but all of that shouldn't go too far over your budget and you get a pretty nice 100W spotlight (I hope that isn't too much electricity?). En lieu of what Chonikool has said, you could do an eBay search for "LED flood light" and see what sort of prices those fetch.
 

jimjim2609

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I emailed to Merry yesterday and she was a great help. She offered the panel with 36 led's soldered to the board, led driver and delivery for $48. The leds were cheap. Red 655-660nm were $0.69/ea and all other colors are $0.39/ea. Thanks for the link Bumping Spheda.
So all i need now is an aluminium heatsink to mount the panel too, is that right?
 

Bumping Spheda

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Hell yea! I'm just in veg right now so I can't comment on yield or nothin', but my plants seem to actually prefer the supplementals to my Warm White or Neutral White spotlights. They wanna grow towards the supp when both lights are same height and the plant is placed directly between the two.

I actually mounted my heatsink cores onto some of these:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Winco-ALXP-1013-Sheet-pan-/350580879276#vi-content
Shipping is what kills you so finding a place that can combine shipping and won't rake you over the coals on postage fees is the trick. I also put some cheap heat sinks from eBay onto the back of those, but really, the 1W'ers don't throw much heat, ime, I don't even think they're needed (although you could add heat sinks if you find that they're necessary). The pans are very easy to drill so that you can feed the wires through to the face, but if you choose these pans make sure when you drill the hole you've got a block of wood or something underneath for support that you don't mind drilling into otherwise you'll get some tear out and warping. Definitely find a scrap of wood you don't care about. Now is also the time to drill holes on the sides so that you can hang the panel.

Now the driver, that throws all the heat. Definitely keep the drivers in a remote location unless you think the tent temps can stand to be raised a bit from ambient. I'm adding light to my tent and I'm just about maxed out right now as far as temps are concerned. And that's with only two of the 30W supp's fired up and the 50W spotlight on. With the 20W/50W/100W spotlights all running, and all three 30W supp's I'm going to be hurrrting... and it's winter (small closet). I'm going to have to work on this for sure, but I just want to make a point that it's not a fun place to be. Be careful.

Merry shipped my units with these slabs of styrofoam that she cut a bunch of squares into so that the LED's can sit within the styrofoam slab and not actually touch anything. I lathered premixed JB Weld (NOT the Quik Weld, the standard "steel" stuff, better thermal properties) onto the back of the heatsink core, placed it onto the frying pan, lined up the holes so I'd be able to feed the driver output wires to the front for soldering, and made sure everything was square. Then I placed one of the styrofoam slabs over the heatsink core and placed a 20lb weight over the styrofoam. This protects the LED's during this process and ensures good, quality contact between the two mating faces. Then I took a hairdryer and heated up the frying pan to the point where it was unconfortable to the touch. In my mind this was making sure the JB Weld layer was as thin as possible and there weren't any bubbles. It seems to have worked because my panel (both the heatsink core and baking pan) stay very cool despite the fact that I mounted my drivers on the back. Make sure nothing slides around during this step.

Here's the back of my panel once finished:
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That was the first one I made. See the tear out where the wires are going through? My second and third panel are much cleaner. The heat sinks look laughably small, but they actually cover most of the heatsink core and were placed in such a way that they're as close to the highest number of LED's as possible. And, again, I highly doubt that I even need them.

Feel free to ask any questions.
 

Bumping Spheda

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You're a troll. Once again, we're not growing pounds here. These are small tents meant for personal stashes of medicine. And my panels are bright enough that they burn my retinas. Nuff said.
 
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