What is the Truth about RSO ?

Discussion in 'Michigan Patients' started by NEEDMMASAP, Mar 9, 2013.

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    NEEDMMASAP

    NEEDMMASAP Active Member

    What is the Truth about RSO ?


    This is a link to a Utube video about the results after the 90 Day treatment with RSO . What do you think about this ? Grow Goddess ( Or anyone else who knows Rick ) could you check to see if Rick Simpson was included in his treatment or if he would know something about it ? It’s a series of 16 Video’s about his treatment .


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4ue7QP_MXs&list=PL75ngWmL8u3WUTHhze6bEJEGYr4_PSK_8
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    Huel Perkins

    Huel Perkins Well-Known Member

    Not sure what you're looking for...

    Although cannabinoids have been found to have miracle effects for treating cancer for many people, it unfortunately isn't going to work for everyone.
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    NEEDMMASAP

    NEEDMMASAP Active Member

    I’m just looking for the truth , below is the complete story ( 16 Videos ) they are all short , few minutes each I would have to agree that RSO may not cure everyone but this guy took the 90 gram treatment , and it appears to have came from Rick or a group working with his group , it also sounds like the first 60 grams was made incorrectly and instead of helping , thing got twice as bad . When your dealing with life or death situations how does someone end up with improperly made oil and you will hear Rick mentioned during the tapes . Would like to know what went wrong .

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    Huel Perkins

    Huel Perkins Well-Known Member

    I watched the video in your first post, i don't really have time to watch the others right now.

    I'm fairly confident that i just gave you the truth. Cannabinoids are very effective for treating some people and completely ineffective for others.
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    NEEDMMASAP

    NEEDMMASAP Active Member

    I would be interested to know what you think after watching the entire story , note what he says about the cookies , then the first 60 grams and then what he says about the last 30 grams , this is truly a sad situation and depressing when you see how poorly things were done by the people who say they are trying to help people with the RSO treatments . Huel please watch the entire 16 short video’s and then let me know what you think about the RSO Movement . I see a major problem with the thought that people may be leading others ( seriously ill people ) down a certain path if they do not even know what they are doing . ( note the part about the Decarboxylation )
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    tomcatjones

    tomcatjones Active Member

    some people don't know how to properly make it...

    just like some can't properly grow cannabis, you have to be able to do both to have an effective oil to work.

    are you in need of oil? ,help making oil? etc?
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    tomcatjones

    tomcatjones Active Member

    this is just one guy.

    there are thousands of testimonials of oil out there.

    -go look at BHO failure videos... failure is everywhere... i hear of people in Michigan using powdery mildew buds and trim to make their oil.. they will kill someone one day.

    but RSO still kills cancer if made right, taken right, the person has a good diet, etc.

    gonna take some of my oil in a moment with dinner..

    I take a capsule and take with some healthy fats to make the bioavailiblity increase, (coconut oil) -and this also makes the effects last longer,work longer and slows the metabolism.


    do you have some questions about Decarboxylation??
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    ProfessorPotSnob

    ProfessorPotSnob New Member

    Sad to say all of us have been denied the truth about Cannabis and its ability to cure certain cancers for some time , but due to this we really know very little even now that we know of its ability to heal and cure certain diseases..

    These Variables are not fully understood scientifically at this time but with every case that is successful more will possible be understood . The real truth is that Cannabis oils were used long ago in biblical times and the miracles of this oil continue to work today , call it Simpson oil or what you like but truth be told its ancient medicine and this can not be denied ..

    I have seen and watched its real powers unfold in front of me several times now . I wish I could have joined my friends at the Cannabis Oil Conference last weekend . Did anybody else here attend ?
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    CashCrops

    CashCrops Well-Known Member

    I would like to add that he used this as a last option if I'm not mistaken. It may have actually worked for him if he made it his first option. Also Amino Acid therapy can help the body repair itself as well. I would do both along with changing my diet to full organic food eliminating any and all processed food and getting into a good workout routine. Even with all that people can still die, we are all going to die, all of the above only prolongs death.
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    bloodytrichomes

    bloodytrichomes New Member

    lots of hiden truths out there
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    NEEDMMASAP

    NEEDMMASAP Active Member

    Tomcat would you take your oil if you had not used the Decarboxylation process ? it appears this guy was given RSO that had not been through the Decarboxylation process . Question do you think it would work just as well with or without the Decarboxylation ?
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    NEEDMMASAP

    NEEDMMASAP Active Member

    Hi Cash Crop , yes he waited way to long , I imagine he was grasping for any help , the medical profession had failed him , I remember you posted about your family member needing help , are they taking RSO and how are they doing ? Just think about how bad it would be to find out the oil had been processed wrong ? I believe our creator gave us the plant for our wellbeing , our creator also gave us the power to create and if we are going to create oil then we best do it right . Is the Decarboxylation process necessary ? His was not ( 1st 60 grams ) appears it came from the RSO group .
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    420circuit

    420circuit Active Member

    Yes, I have a question about this, is there a good summary online that covers the production process better than the youtube video with Rick using a rice cooker to make the oil? I am interested in making some oil to treat my cancer and would like to do it as well as possible. I was hoping to use Everclear 95% alcohol as a solvent, to allow for some safety against poisoning myself and would like to find a better procedure than the descriptions that I have seen so far. Any guidance in this would be very helpful. And sure, if you have the numbers to use for decarb it would be great to see, and any pointers you can pass along as well. Thanks for puttin' it out there.:peace::)
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    NEEDMMASAP

    NEEDMMASAP Active Member

    This is what Gray Wolf does , can any posters improve this or see anything wrong with it ? His link is - http://skunkpharmresearch.com/ -
    Decarboxylation
    Posted by Skunk Pharm Research,LLC.
    Cannabis produces phyto cannabinoids in a carboxylic acid form that are not active in our bodies. To make them active, they must first be decarboxylated, to remove the COOH carboxyl group of atoms, which exits in the form of H20 and CO2.​
    Decarboxylation occurs naturally with time and temperature, as a function of drying, but we can shorten the amount of time required considerably, by adding more heat. The more heat, the faster it occurs, within reasonable ranges, and in fact occurs spontaneously when the material is burned or vaporized.
    There is another mechanism at play however, which suggests that we need to control the decarboxylation temperatures carefully.
    When we heat cannabis to convert the THCA and CBDA into THC and CBD, we are also converting THC to CBN at a faster rate. At about 70% decarboxylation, we actually start converting THC to CBN at a faster rate than we are converting THCA to THC, so as you can see by the following graph, after about 70% decarboxylation, the levels of THC actually start to fall sharply.
    That of course means that the CBN also begins to rise and the medication is becoming more sedative.
    Thank you Jump 117 for this excellent graph!
    Decarboxylation graph
    Another fly in the ointment, is that we can never know for sure exactly what the starting state of decarboxylation is, so the times at temperature shown on the graphs are an average.
    We can’t expect dry material placed in an oven at any given temperature to be that uniform temperature throughout instantly upon placing it in a heated oven, nor know for sure the state of decarboxylation by simple observation.
    Decarboxylating plant material, also alters the taste (roasted/toasted), which some find less agreeable, and of course decarboxylating also evaporates away the smaller Monoterpenes and Sequiterpenes alcohols, phenols, ketones, aldehydes, ethers, and esters.
    The good news is that it is dirt simple to monitor the state of cannabis oil decarboxylation placed in a 121C/250F hot oil bath, because you can watch the CO2 bubble production.
    Just like the curves suggest, CO2 bubble production will proceed at its own observable rate. By keeping the puddle of oil lightly stirred on the bottom and in the corners of the pot (I use a bamboo skewer), so as to keep the bubbles broken free and floating to the top, you can tell exactly when the bubble formation suddenly tapers off at the top of the curve.
    That is the point that we take it out of the oil for maximum head effect, and we leave it in until all bubbling stops, if we want a more sedative night time med.
    Here are a couple pictures of what oil looks like when boiling off the residual butane. Residual butane or alcohol produces larger, randomly sized bubbles, and is fully purged, when they cease.
    I am seemingly missing the middle picture of the CO2 bubbles, so I will add it later, but the second picture shows what fully decarboxylated oil looks like.
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    Huel Perkins

    Huel Perkins Well-Known Member

    Still haven't watch all the videos but if you're using heat during the process of making the oil to evaporate off the alcohol like Rick does with the rice cooker in his video, then decarboxylation is happening. Following that there in no more decarbing needed.

    I will watch the vids, just haven't had time yet..
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    NEEDMMASAP

    NEEDMMASAP Active Member

    Excellent point , when you watch it note the part about the cookie , then the 60 grams then the 30 grams , see if you notice what I did
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    NEEDMMASAP

    NEEDMMASAP Active Member

    Huel here is what I seen while watching those tapes
    1# He tried cookies that contained only a fraction of the amount of oil , he liked the reaction , said they may have even been a little to strong .

    2# he then started taking the 60 gram batch , he said he had little or no good reaction , gave him a serious case of the shits

    3# when he started the second 30 gram batch , he immediately felt the euphoric happy feeling every time he took it . Also the shits went away completely .



    I’m not saying anyone did anything wrong , he said he was given the oil and it would take a very kind hearted and giving person to give someone 90 grams of oil but if somehow that 60 grams was not right some one should have picked up on that and the fact that after the 60 grams was almost gone he was told about the Decarboxylation sounds like something went wrong during that period , if RSO works and there was any possibility that something was wrong they should have started his 90 gram treatments over , mistakes happen and will always happen , the best we can do is learn from our mistakes and correct them .
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    420circuit

    420circuit Active Member

    I watched all of his vids and was left feeling like crap at the failure, but that is nothing compared to what he faced. Appreciate the analysis of what went wrong and look forward to learning something about RSO from this case. Everyone wants a cure for cancer and the folks here at RIU are looking for the good in RSO to help make the case for MMJ as a way to make their fav plant more accessible, so there will be a bias here in favor of RSO being a cure. God I hope that turns out to be the case, but let's accept the facts as they become apparent, whichever way they go. So please pass along medical/science information and hold off on the cheerleader stuff, like the big pharma conspiracy. There are a lot of folks looking to this product for a cure and anyone who can help in that effort will be garnering some serious karma if they help in this noble endeavor.:peace:
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    tomcatjones

    tomcatjones Active Member

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=mTXUEBVKtpg


    -i guess i am confused about the confusion of the decarboxylation.

    needmmasap... his oil i saw was decarbed.. it was very dark. but i only saw what was on the cracker on the scale.


    Gray wolf is awesome btw, we love chatting with him on the High Noon radio show that Uncle Pete does on Saturdays (with Rick and many of the good MMJ docs, Dr Melamede, my hero lol)


    and will non decarbed oil kill cancer? -that is what Dr. Courtney thinks, and they have had successes with just THCA and CBDA.. i can provide the links to studies, and the videos about juicing raw cannabis or you could just eat your BHO extractions if purged correctly.

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