What Happens To Thoughts?
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Ethnobotanist
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What happens to those memories you've forgotten? They're still in there. Scientifically, you're just not using those synaptic pathways anymore, so they are "buried", to put it obtusely. You can trigger these memories spontaneously when you unintentionally smell, taste, hear something that correlates to it. Alternately, hypnosis very much can recover these memories. It's amazing what the brain is capable of, even on the limited level that we use it.
As for the universe being a harmonious arrangement that mimics itself... This is very much the case. If you think about it, we are a collection of independent organisms. The basic building blocks- sub atomic particles coalesce to become atoms, atoms are combined into molecules. Molecules are arranged to make cells. Cells become multi-cellular organisms, which become tissues. These tissues form organs, and these organs comprise what we think of as "ourselves". In essence, we are a collection of countless organisms with an individual plan to survive, that happens to have found a balance to make what we think is... "us". I never really thought of this until I took a trip with a very large dose of cubensis mushrooms, and saw cells dividing in my hand, after which I felt that the universe is one vast organism comprised of everything within it. Organic, non-organic, matter, anti-matter. Everything is recycled, and we are the happy coincidence.
Regarding the nature of the universe... I suggest you read "The Doors of Perception" by Aldous Huxley (who also wrote Brave New World and The Island). And yes, the band "The Doors" were named after this book. It's about his experience with mescaline and other psychadelics, and how he came to his personal realization that entheogens are simply chemical tools that allow us to perceive reality beyond the scope of our ordinary consciousness and our ordinary senses. That these substances unlock "doors" in our perception that we can peer through. I firmly believe this is the case. It's much more complex than that of course, but our perception of reality is based upon what we perceive, and the conceptions we attach to those perceptions. All our existence is rooted firmly in experience.
One day, I hope that we (our minds) and science will have the ability to open all of these doors, and let the full brunt of reality as it fully is come rushing in. Capable of being fully explored, measured, and explained.
~Ethno
As for the universe being a harmonious arrangement that mimics itself... This is very much the case. If you think about it, we are a collection of independent organisms. The basic building blocks- sub atomic particles coalesce to become atoms, atoms are combined into molecules. Molecules are arranged to make cells. Cells become multi-cellular organisms, which become tissues. These tissues form organs, and these organs comprise what we think of as "ourselves". In essence, we are a collection of countless organisms with an individual plan to survive, that happens to have found a balance to make what we think is... "us". I never really thought of this until I took a trip with a very large dose of cubensis mushrooms, and saw cells dividing in my hand, after which I felt that the universe is one vast organism comprised of everything within it. Organic, non-organic, matter, anti-matter. Everything is recycled, and we are the happy coincidence.
Regarding the nature of the universe... I suggest you read "The Doors of Perception" by Aldous Huxley (who also wrote Brave New World and The Island). And yes, the band "The Doors" were named after this book. It's about his experience with mescaline and other psychadelics, and how he came to his personal realization that entheogens are simply chemical tools that allow us to perceive reality beyond the scope of our ordinary consciousness and our ordinary senses. That these substances unlock "doors" in our perception that we can peer through. I firmly believe this is the case. It's much more complex than that of course, but our perception of reality is based upon what we perceive, and the conceptions we attach to those perceptions. All our existence is rooted firmly in experience.
One day, I hope that we (our minds) and science will have the ability to open all of these doors, and let the full brunt of reality as it fully is come rushing in. Capable of being fully explored, measured, and explained.
~Ethno
Biznizz Hippee
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woha my brain is all like Woosh
suicidesamurai
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That is an urban myth. It was probably started because we only fire a small amount of neurons at one time. If all of your neurons were firing at once, you would have a seizure.
We do infact utilize our entire brain. The brain as on organ takes in huge amounts of nutrients and requires loads of energy. Evolutionarily speaking, such an important organ would probably not evolve and waste so much energy providing for it while only a small amount of it is being used.
suicidesamurai
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Hypnosis has helped many people "remember" being sexually abused by Satanists or abducted by aliens.
Ethnobotanist
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And the same with "truth serum" (sodium thiopental and other substances). This is the usually the fault of the therapist being non-objective and/or unqualified, and the biases of the person being hypnotised. Suggestion is a powerful thing, and the whole experience, which is naturally subjective, must be made to be as objective and empirical as possible for the best results..
But it can, however, very much can recover latent memories; this much has been proven in controlled settings time and time again, and further corraborated. Unfortunately, it is not an exact science and it also requires someone very skilled at inducing a deep hypnotic state. But it is really the best method we have. It all depends on the individual being hypnotised and the person conducting it, as I said. Some people are more susceptible to suggestion than others.
~Ethno
skunkushybrid
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I feel that hypnosis isn't powerful enough and can be easily manipulated by the patient. I didn't want to say anything as suicide has already said it...
Hypnosis merely allows the person to indulge in their fantasies, give them even more firmness and reality. Lying to ourselves is rife, and it seems this world, for the most part, seems happy to wallow in lies; rather than face some perceived pain that would arise from admitting the truth.
Hypnosis merely allows the person to indulge in their fantasies, give them even more firmness and reality. Lying to ourselves is rife, and it seems this world, for the most part, seems happy to wallow in lies; rather than face some perceived pain that would arise from admitting the truth.
Lacy
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Exactly. I was just going to mention the same thing.
The mind is INCREDIBLY powerful!!! Hypnosis would have to be used very objectively, otherwise the mind will just create would it wants to.
Our minds do not know the difference between reality and fantasy in an unconsciousness state and unfortunately contrary to popular MYTH, people CAN be hypnotized WITHOUT the person's consent and can do MORE DAMAGE than good.
That is the other side of the spectrum. I have no doubt that hypnosis has been used in the past to benefit all involved, but not always.
People can be hypnotized while unconscious. Not good.
The mind is INCREDIBLY powerful!!! Hypnosis would have to be used very objectively, otherwise the mind will just create would it wants to.
Our minds do not know the difference between reality and fantasy in an unconsciousness state and unfortunately contrary to popular MYTH, people CAN be hypnotized WITHOUT the person's consent and can do MORE DAMAGE than good.
That is the other side of the spectrum. I have no doubt that hypnosis has been used in the past to benefit all involved, but not always.
People can be hypnotized while unconscious. Not good.
i talked to a girl who was like a prodigy, finished college at like 15 or something, so shes a psychologist and says that shes seen proof of it working, but only if you believe in it. People who sit down and dont believe in hypnosis never get hypnotized. people that do believe get hypnotized.
to me I still dont believe it exists though, I think those people are like people that get drunk and you see the real person. they are the same person but its a release. its like telling them, ok your now sleep talking, tell me everything, I think they use it as a way to say things theyre afraid to say when theyre "awake" . like all the damn pills and placebos out there, your mind is capable of tricking itself very easily. oh I feel better, I must be because the doctor told me I would tonight after taking these 100 dollar pills. matter of fact I do feel better. nice
on a side note, this is what I think has happened with homosexuals, the images on tv, media, peer pressure, etc, have made many people gay when they were not instinctively drawn, yeah its proven they exist in nature, and probably half are instinctively drawn but I feel a lot of it in human, is mental and environmental to an extent. like they tell themselves well those 500 million gays on tv are so popular, and rich and I act like that and all the girls will talk to me then, and ill be popular and different, Ill be gay. poor kids. muff is right.
to me I still dont believe it exists though, I think those people are like people that get drunk and you see the real person. they are the same person but its a release. its like telling them, ok your now sleep talking, tell me everything, I think they use it as a way to say things theyre afraid to say when theyre "awake" . like all the damn pills and placebos out there, your mind is capable of tricking itself very easily. oh I feel better, I must be because the doctor told me I would tonight after taking these 100 dollar pills. matter of fact I do feel better. nice
on a side note, this is what I think has happened with homosexuals, the images on tv, media, peer pressure, etc, have made many people gay when they were not instinctively drawn, yeah its proven they exist in nature, and probably half are instinctively drawn but I feel a lot of it in human, is mental and environmental to an extent. like they tell themselves well those 500 million gays on tv are so popular, and rich and I act like that and all the girls will talk to me then, and ill be popular and different, Ill be gay. poor kids. muff is right.
suicidesamurai
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They say the same thing about psychics. If you don't believe in psychic abilities, you are interfering in some way with the psychical frequencies, so to speak, and the psychic can't properly read you. Of course they say this because those people would be skeptical and realize how inaccurate the psychic really is, so there needs to be an excuse, or if the psychic believes they have real powers, more of an explanation. People that believe in psychics will be amazed that the psychic knew their dead mother's name started with an M, and that they have a picture of them next to their bed. They forget about the 90% of information provided by the psychic that was wrong. You can't fool a skeptic in this way.
Garden Knowm
The Love Doctor
You can have all your questions answered by sitting everyday for 5 minutes in the morning and 5 minutes at night..
One of the first things you will realize is that THOUGHTS ARE..
THOUGHTS JUST ARE
YOU have NO choice in what to think.. THIS is the biggest illusion created BY the mind..
YOUR only choice is WHAT thoughts to act on..
BUT the actual thoughts ARE.. they come IN ENDLESSLY...
Unless you begin a practice and sit daily and work on becoming conscious.. you will forever live in the delusion of thoughts..
No THOUGHT is ABSOLUTELY TRUE... thoughts are all relative to other thoughts.. a huge fabricated world...
THE REAL world is massive... the mind world where most people live 99.99999% is about the size of 1 drop of water...
the real world is THE size of the ocean..
NONE of this is true.. BUT it is a story that points out of your MIND at the truth...
iloveyou
One of the first things you will realize is that THOUGHTS ARE..
THOUGHTS JUST ARE
YOU have NO choice in what to think.. THIS is the biggest illusion created BY the mind..
YOUR only choice is WHAT thoughts to act on..
BUT the actual thoughts ARE.. they come IN ENDLESSLY...
Unless you begin a practice and sit daily and work on becoming conscious.. you will forever live in the delusion of thoughts..
No THOUGHT is ABSOLUTELY TRUE... thoughts are all relative to other thoughts.. a huge fabricated world...
THE REAL world is massive... the mind world where most people live 99.99999% is about the size of 1 drop of water...
the real world is THE size of the ocean..
NONE of this is true.. BUT it is a story that points out of your MIND at the truth...
iloveyou
Spittn4cash
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awesome thread
Brazko
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Awesome Thread is Right......Glad this one circulated back up.
I found FAMILY.......My place on the Periodic Chart of Life.
Hey PAw, I'm HOme.......
TeaTreeOil
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According to some books I've read on the subject, it depends on their frequency of use and importance to you. Basically junctions, or synapses connect neurons. Pathways get reinforced by repeated use, or entropy due to lack of use. Neurons have several possible pathways(over dendrites & axons), kind of like a computer network. The synapses connect two of a neuron's: axons, dendrites, or directly to a cell body. Complex arrays of connections and associates are made, forming complex thought, between several(thousands) neurons. Electric charges travel along pathways and the neuron chooses how to redirect the pulses. One single pathway going unused could cause a disconnection between 'suburbs' of neuron networks. This is how a single memory can trigger many more related memories that you perhaps haven't thought much of recently.
Once a neuron's axons/dendrites all become disconnected it entropies rapidly, and a memory can be lost forever. Then again, most events(short-term memory) never gets stored in long-term memory, as no permanent connections are made.
Brains cells are created constantly, and they entropy constantly. At varying rates, of course.
Once a neuron's axons/dendrites all become disconnected it entropies rapidly, and a memory can be lost forever. Then again, most events(short-term memory) never gets stored in long-term memory, as no permanent connections are made.
Brains cells are created constantly, and they entropy constantly. At varying rates, of course.
style
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Thoughts are our confirmation that we are Gods. Thoughts are creation in progress. The evolution of creation begins with the idea.
We first think it, then we create it from a thought. When we evolve, our thoughts will be physical realities, divine creations. Our next step will be singing physical matter into our 3D. Manipulation of waves.
We first think it, then we create it from a thought. When we evolve, our thoughts will be physical realities, divine creations. Our next step will be singing physical matter into our 3D. Manipulation of waves.
misshestermoffitt
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ozstone
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Wow You Guys have been Busy, I have not been on this site for ages nearly three years i guess, got to do with movin towns changin jobs and all that other sort of stuff, so its good to be back and read some of the threads that I either started or took part in, Peace to all.