Water Leaves - Remove or Leave

Discussion in 'General Marijuana Growing' started by DannyLee, May 21, 2011.

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    DannyLee

    DannyLee Member

    Recognizing that the large water leaves can prevent nearly all light from reaching the interior of the plant and that the water leaves are of minimal value -- what would be the result of removing all water leaves early on -- a good thing, a bad thing?
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    Shadeslay

    Shadeslay Active Member

    You're better off just trying to train the branches and leaves, you can use string to tie them down if need be. Careful not to break them though.
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    Rcb

    Rcb Active Member

    honestly i do remove them but i dont have a certain time when i do it depends on the strain if i feel that the leaves are slowing is growth then i will remove them because i have had a plant be slow as hell then when i removed the water leaves it took off it amazed me. i remove almost all water leaves now.
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    rollin in grass

    rollin in grass Active Member

    what are exactly are water leaves:-|
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    veggiegardener

    veggiegardener Well-Known Member

    Better known as "Sun Leaves", they are the large fans that produce MOST of the plant's energy.

    If you want to improve yield, you're better off learning to remove the tiny shoots that form under the canopy, and save the large leaves. This forces the energy into the "terminal buds" at the end of each stem.

    This makes the big buds bigger without forcing the plant to add leaf area to replace the trimmed leaves.

    There are MANY growers that disagree with me, so I'd suggest you do some reading in a grow manual. (Jorge Cervantes is my favorite.)

    You'll find that nearly all the authors are against removing sun leaves.
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    DannyLee

    DannyLee Member

    Thanks - sounds like sage advice - I appreciate it.

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    trichome fiend

    trichome fiend Active Member

    ...good advice veggiegardener, not that you needed reassurance.:mrgreen:

    ...I lollipop my garden, removing approx. the lower 1/3 of each plant (during wk#s 2-3 of bloom)....very good advice.
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    veggiegardener

    veggiegardener Well-Known Member

    Lollypopping is a sound method when plants are touching each other, shading out that bottom 1/3. Especially in indoor grows with stationary lighting.

    Two thirds of my grow is in two greenhouses. The other third is in a cage of chainlink and remesh.

    Neither situation promotes lollypopping. In the greenhouses the lower branches will grow toward the side walls. They are often slender branches that grow along the fabric. I've found them over eight feet long with many uniform, tightly spaced buds along their length. They get a lot of light through the sidewalls.

    I'm old. I ramble. Sorry...

    LOL
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    Rcb

    Rcb Active Member

    water leaves are different from sun/fan leaves , water leaves are the first set of leaves to appear they hold water for the plant in its early days and sun/fan leaves do the same they hold water and nutes for the plant but they appear at each node but they also gather sunlight for the plant so its not too great to remove a healthy fan leave. water leaves on the other hand i remove pretty early i feel they hold the plant back.
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    Budologist420

    Budologist420 Well-Known Member

    removing these water leaves slows plant growth.
    plain and simple that is the truth.
    even though the light is not penetrating into the middle or lower parts of the plant, simply topping it or tying it down will bring those smaller nodes to the top.
    your plant will be considerably stunted and slowed the more of these large leaves that you remove compared to a plant that has none of the leaves removed.

    just try it yourself with two plants of the same strain the answer is obvious.
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    philthy phil

    philthy phil Member

    removed mine on my white rhino indoor medical grow and it had water leafs bigger than my hands twice size crazy big to wer i had too at simalar part on plant and was cocering like 3 kolas no joke....removed them then it did fill out like crazy no joke not a novice 31 years old 6 years under my belt so some things u have to make ur own dicision on like this subjuest u cant always listin to other people beacuse evry pants differnt grown differt styles diffrent climates thefore nobody can say whats good for u on this kinda stuff... i belive in triaql and eeor on things like this like some people swear by a product my work good for them and what there growing and things like that every strain can handle more or less fertz and spme like lower ph and some like it i lttle higher thru grow so take a chance dont be a foller right ur own book does that mean its 100 percnt the right way...feel me..ttl....$crilla g
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    veggiegardener

    veggiegardener Well-Known Member

    I like to see people try these things.

    Most of what I know came from trial and error. When I started, the books available were all about indoor grows under 4' florescent bulbs.

    I'm holding one book, "Everything You've Always Wanted to know about Marijuana". Published in 1973 and sold for $1. 28 pages. C. Castle authored it.

    Obviously, a lot of stuff has been discovered since then.

    Trial and error will teach you more about this subject than any amount of reading.

    But as you mentioned, there are varying conditions that can make different practices effective. I'm limited in my experience because I grow in some of the finest pot growing territory on the planet. Never grown anywhere else. (I'd love to do a couple grows in the highlands of Southeast Asia, but it seems dangerous. Tough for a large white guy to hide among a bunch of 5' Asians.)

    BUT, by the time I was 6 years old, I was actively gardening with my Grandparents. One thing I learned very early is that removing green leaves is counterproductive. I've yet to see an exception. Cannabis is a plant. How can it be different?
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    philthy phil

    philthy phil Member

    sorry peoples rooms are all diffrent temps air cir,vents ect...

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