waste nute solution

buggin69

buggin69

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First off I'm basing this on some assumptions to start with so it may be stupid but I have no hands on exp with any hydro so here goes...

I know people change out their water (every week?) but do you actually dump it all and refill the res and re mix? (plus cleaning, etc) or just add more of your nutes to get the numbers back up?

and if you dump it out could it be used for anything else... like watering mothers in soil pots or dumping it in your garden

just seems like a lot of throwing away
 
Someguy15

Someguy15

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Plants dump waste (toxic) salts into nutrient solutions. Dealing with this and not changing a rez the entire grow is tough if not impossible. Also, your only reading ec, you have no idea what actual chemicals are in there. Maybe they ate 90% of the nitrogen, 50% of the Potasium and only 30% of the Potash. Now if your just topping off the the correct EC, your still going to have n deficiency and possibly a potash toxicity. Dumping your nutes and starting over gives you a balanced diet again. Most people wait 10-14 days to change, but some do it as often as 7 days or what their wallets can afford.
 
buggin69

buggin69

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ok... well that explains that part

but what about using the waste water elsewhere... like as a supplement for soil... especially in the garden or outdoor grows

i would assume the biologicals in the soil already have a way to deal with this toxic waste that gets produced as part of the natural cycle
 
fatman7574

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Waste water treatment does well at handling it to a large extent. Considering dilute nutrients verus human wastes and flushed garbage etc, the dilute nutrients are really not that bad. Most seweage sludge from the end result of waste water tretament is now made into compost or buried in landfills where it feeds the bacterial growth in landfills that are needed to break down the carbon wastes: paper, cardboard and wood etc.

There are very few nutrients left in discharge water from waste treatment plants. It is tightly controlled. The little bit of added nutrients added by Pot growers is not even noticeable. Waste water treatment plants handle handle huge volumes of waste water. 10's or hundreds of millions of gallons of water per day per plant depending on the size of the areas they serve. The waste water volumes are actually calculated by the engineers in cubic meters as the volumes are so large.
 
buggin69

buggin69

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fatman7574 said:
Waste water treatment does well at handling it to a large extent. Considering dilute nutrients verus human wastes and flushed garbage etc, the dilute nutrients are really not that bad. Most seweage sludge from the end result of waste water tretament is now made into compost or buried in landfills where it feeds the bacterial growth in landfills that are needed to break down the carbon wastes: paper, cardboard and wood etc.

There are very few nutrients left in discharge water from waste treatment plants. It is tightly controlled. The little bit of added nutrients added by Pot growers is not even noticeable. Waste water treatment plants handle handle huge volumes of waste water. 10's or hundreds of millions of gallons of water per day per plant depending on the size of the areas they serve. The waste water volumes are actually calculated by the engineers in cubic meters as the volumes are so large.
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good info... but not really what i was asking

is the spent nute solution too "toxic" to use on an outdoor garden

I would think nature would have a way of dealing with these specific toxins
 
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highpsi

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is the spent nute solution too "toxic" to use on an outdoor garden
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No, not at all. I run a drain to waste system, so I often (twice a week) have to dump a 5 gallon bucket full of waste nutes. Sometimes, especially if it's shitty out or if I'm too lazy, I'll just dump it down the drain, but most times I use it to water outdoor plants, trees, etc. This past summer, I hit one of my outdoor perenials with 4 or 5 buckets full and it just took off, it grew faster than I've ever seen it grow. So yeah, outdoor plants love it, just don't keep dumping in the same place or else you will toxify the soil.
 
FireBud325

FireBud325

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i have ebb and flow system and about ten gallons run through it. i change my res every 10 or so days and i also have an out side garden. i have a few tomatto plants and a few 3+ foot plants out there. the only nutes they get is from my res and they are so healthy! after i started dumping the res in my garden, my tomattos, were twice the size! and my indica dominat babys are doing great!

also i put a benificial bacteria in my res and it can be used for soil and hydro, so all of it isnt going away, its constantly growing so if your doing this too its a good idea to reuse it... lol its by General hydroponics i think and a little like sandwitch bag cost $45!!

so to answer your question... dont wast the water, put it to use on your mothers or another garden!

Good Luck and hope this helps!
 
fatman7574

fatman7574

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Nutrient cost less than $10 a gallon to mix your self. Apply the fertilizer wher ever you wish. If your worried about strength just dilute it before use else where. someone complaining about how expensive it is yet still buying it just imports laziness into the equation. Laziness should have nothing to do with using partially expended nutrients on other plants etc. Laziness is just laziness.
 
buggin69

buggin69

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fatman7574 said:
Nutrient cost less than $10 a gallon to mix your self. Apply the fertilizer wher ever you wish. If your worried about strength just dilute it before use else where. someone complaining about how expensive it is yet still buying it just imports laziness into the equation. Laziness should have nothing to do with using partially expended nutrients on other plants etc. Laziness is just laziness.
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i'm sorry... what!@?
 
fatman7574

fatman7574

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That was simple english!!!

I simply implied the other guy, if he does not like the cost of retail nutrients, should mix his own rather than saying use depleted imbalanced/doctored up nutrients instead.

Common sense says to regularly dump your reservoir, clean it and replace the nutrients and water. If he can not afford to do that with retail nutrients then he should just mix his own, not tell others that the nutrients cost to much so be cheap and lazy instead.

It is simply laziness to not mix your own if you can not afford dumping old retail nutrients and replacing them with fresh balanced nutrients . Or he just simply refuses to learn how to mix his own. That is sad as it cost less than $10 a gallon to mix up a x100 concentrate.

Was that understandable?
 
fatman7574

fatman7574

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Not many people want to pay postage from here. I could do that but I don't need the money or the hassles caused by GH and AN lawyers etc. I would have to be squeaky clean and many things mean more to me than merely just having more money or proving cj heap nutrients to strangers who like you are not obviously not appreciative anyway. I would be glad to provide mixing directions though at no cost. It is simple really, maybe even you could handle it, buggy.
 
fatman7574

fatman7574

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It does require the use of numbers, but only 10 of them. Zero through nine. After that they just repeat. That is just one per finger.
 
buggin69

buggin69

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fatman7574 said:
It does require the use of numbers, but only 10 of them. Zero through nine. After that they just repeat. That is just one per finger.
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Actually I have read your lucas formula thread. It's good stuff, and maybe one day I will try it. But I like to screw myself over one step at a time.
When I do make my own... i'll probably still dump the waste out into a garden or mother or something. lol... you can't stop me
 
fatman7574

fatman7574

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buggin69 said:
Actually I have read your lucas formula thread. It's good stuff, and maybe one day I will try it. But I like to screw myself over one step at a time.
When I do make my own... i'll probably still dump the waste out into a garden or mother or something. lol... you can't stop me
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I have huge Blue Spruce tress around everywhere I grow as there are no sewage treatment plants out side the main part of the city. It is cold enough the only seweage treatment plant here is entirely indoors. So is the entire water treatment plant. The water in the lines circulates all year round so as not to freeze. The water that flows to the individual houses is evena double line so that it runs through your meter and you just take off part of the flow. Lousy pressure (20 to 25 psi). Nice and cold though. 34 degrees F all year round.
 
aimnstu

aimnstu

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I have just started my ebb flow garden and was dumping my 14 gal of wast down the drain and it wasn't but about 3 or so times that my drain clogged up and i had to run a snake down it. Thank fully I know how to do that but when i pulled it out it had some of the whitest roots i have ever seen come out a drain. So now i just throw the water out in the backyard around some trees and not down the drain.
 
fatman7574

fatman7574

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aimnstu said:
I have just started my ebb flow garden and was dumping my 14 gal of wast down the drain and it wasn't but about 3 or so times that my drain clogged up and i had to run a snake down it. Thank fully I know how to do that but when i pulled it out it had some of the whitest roots i have ever seen come out a drain. So now i just throw the water out in the backyard around some trees and not down the drain.
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Leaking, cracked drainage pipes. Are they sectional clay, wood stave or old iron pipe? With your drain lines your lucky your not having more problems. Roots growing into drain lines suck. It is amazing how much damage tree and bush roots can do to drainage lines.
 
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