Washington, Please read!

The feds are coming! The feds are coming! If they do not succeed with their lawsuit and making marijuana illegal once again, than they are gonna come in and raid and throw you in prison maybe even kill a person or two. This is big stuff, colorado and washington have made marijuana legal. And now the feds are pissed! My advice? I say you setup hidden cameras, audio equipment, anything that can record any evidence of wrong doing. You can try to get a lawyer and sue the feds. By sueing them may in turn be protecting you at the same time. If you are charged with something, and you have evidence that is in safe hands, you may be able to bargain with them to give them the incriminating evidence and drop your charges. But they probably wont stay true to their word. But you will able to bring up a huge case after it is done. here is a great article on what is likely to happen....


http://www.naturalnews.com/038297_marijuana_decriminalization_Colorado_federal_government.html

That's just, like, your opinion, man.

In fact it's not even your opinion, it's some other dude's.... just sayin'...

your right, nothing is set in stone. But we have all seen those videos of dea raiding medical dispensaries yes? It seems very likely to me. Then again wtf are they gonna do? start kicking down doors to everyones home in c.o and washington? IDK. but what are they supposed to do when they dont win in court? if they dont? What have they done in the past when shit didnt change...Ill tell you what, exactly what you see if you google dea at dispensaries....

bde0001 said:

your right, nothing is set in stone. But we have all seen those videos of dea raiding medical dispensaries yes? It seems very likely to me. Then again wtf are they gonna do? start kicking down doors to everyones home in c.o and washington? IDK. but what are they supposed to do when they dont win in court? if they dont? What have they done in the past when shit didnt change...Ill tell you what, exactly what you see if you google dea at dispensaries....

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Yeah, but it's just a different situation... I mean from what I understand most of the raids in Cali were on places who were not up to code or were evading taxes, et cetera. I mean, wouldn't they all be gone if it were as simple as just rolling in a raid on each? They'd just walk from door to door.

Just sayin, if you look at how prominently present dispensaries are in most medicinal states, it really doesn't seem like the feds are going to snap down on medicinal. It might be a different story with legalization, and I am weary for sure, waiting to see what happens. I just wanted to point out that it is editorialism, and fear-based editorialism at that.

AltarNation said:

Yeah, but it's just a different situation... I mean from what I understand most of the raids in Cali were on places who were not up to code or were evading taxes, et cetera. I mean, wouldn't they all be gone if it were as simple as just rolling in a raid on each? They'd just walk from door to door.

Just sayin, if you look at how prominently present dispensaries are in most medicinal states, it really doesn't seem like the feds are going to snap down on medicinal. It might be a different story with legalization, and I am weary for sure, waiting to see what happens. I just wanted to point out that it is editorialism, and fear-based editorialism at that.

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Thank you for enlightening me on the california raids....I was always wondering why they didnt just shut em all down. But yes, full legalization is exactly what Im talking about. Like the article says, If the feds take this shit to court and don't succeed by making recreational marijuana illegal again, which they probably will, but if they don't they have to do something. I doubt they would stop there and say," Oh well, I guess the states can make their own laws now regardless of the federal laws." No they're gonna MAKE shit go the way they want.

Yea... I understand your fears but FOR NOW we ain't got a dang thing to worry about. As long as you are not growing to the level of violation of federal law, or selling enough to violate federal law. For now the President Obama has stated quote "he has bigger fish to fry" than legal pot. And I agree, we have multiple tenous issues going on between the economy and the state of the world and certain foreign powers. If he uses too much time trying to beat a state into submission to the fed there will be issues and questions of prioritization. And second of all the topic is split down the middle in opinion that the man is playing it safe and staying out of it. FOR NOW. It LOOKS like he is going to allow Washington and Colorado as "pilot" or "beta" programs to see if the concept is feasible. And what is more practical allowing small amounts of cultivation at home while still selling a high quality product in the stores and allowing minor possession like the plan for Colorado. Which I approve of much more than I-502 by the way, because we can grow tobacco and brew beer legally as long as we don't sell it. You see it is too much resource expenditure to enforce production law's on small scales operations. Whereas the resources would be more optimally funneled into enforcement of trafficking with extreme efficiency in comparison to the resources expended to attempt to bust small scale operations. And I hope Washington states "power's that be" realize that in the next 2 years while it only takes a %51 vote to amend the law versus after that it will take a majority vote.

Now to make any declaration that "the fed's are coming" at this point is more than premature on another scale. The current effect of the law is decriminalization of small amounts of cannabis. Not that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things because it sure ain't legal, it's just decriminalized. It's if and when the adoption and establishment of cannabis production for revenue goes into effect. (Deadline is December 2013 for them to completely and finally establish the initial framework.) THEN we got something to worry about from the federal government. But for now it looks like we are going to be treated like a foreign toy. Different but rather fascinating at the same time, and allowed to function un-hindered for a period just to see "what this thing does exactly" per say.

But even though Obama has made the statement that he has higher priorities at this time, he has also said he won't go after medical marijuana use in state's that allow it provided they follow state law. Has that been the case? No the guy is as bad IF NOT WORSE than during the Bush administration, but this figure could also be effected by the rise of Cannabis use in the last 10 years both medicinal and recreational and how bold some of these cannabis related establishments are getting.

You see the issue comes down to the fact that Obama if he plans to stay out of it help's tremendously but we still have the issue of the Drug Czar. The Drug Czar CANNOT be fired to my understanding he has something much like tenure and firing them is damn near impossible, save for obvious gross negligence. And therefore they can tell any president in office no matter there opinion on leniency toward certain controlled substances, "Respectfully Mr. President I was here before your administration, and I will likely be here after it too. Therefore my policy is my only concern, while I appreciate your opinions and guidance I am not in fact required to grant clemency to any persons or establishments including states violating federal controlled substance laws." (This paraphrasing, I have no idea if the Drug Czar ever said this but to my understanding of his position he could.) And as the title indicates drug "Czar" just like the king's of old the word of the drug Czar is law, and there are privilege to certain ability's such as being able to go "sorry Mr. President but as long as the law is the way it is I can bust whomever I so damn well please in which ever state of the union.

Okay let's try to wrap this up with... Biden... the drug war nazi is absolutely against cannabis legalization and is in fact a proponent of using laws that were intended for defense of our nation against terrorist's threat's to enable and or justify the "busting" of an incredible number of "war criminals" who are only guilty of selling a controlled substance for revenue and having no connection whatsoever to any terrorist organization. Not to belittle law enforcement of trafficking on hardcore drug's such as Methamphetamine. But the point is if your going to do it be honest with me, don't adopt a false flag to help with a personal vendetta against drug abuse. (In my humble opinion likely caused by addiction issues by a close individual. Perhaps someone he looked up to, and then watched transformed by bad choices and behavioral changes associated with drug abuse. But that is speculation, I do not know this but I have seen it 100 times before if not more. You see in my opinion that's typically what it takes to fuel such an passionate hate toward an inanimate object and the concept's attached to it.) But as Vice President Mr. Biden's powers are extremely limited unless the president takes a leave of absence in one form or another. So Biden can hoot and holler all he want's but not much he can effectively do but cause a ruckus, although I still signed the petition opposing his statements and any intent of action to contradict the will of the voters.

Now I will end this rather long statement with a pair of sources to confirm my information.

http://tv.msnbc.com/2012/12/14/obama-bigger-fish-to-fry-than-go-after-pot-smokers/ - Msnbc article on Obama's statement, I haven't read it MSNBC is a bit conservative so beware the subtle ways they input opinion to persuade persons to feel a particular manner.
http://times247.com/articles/obama-bigger-fish-to-fry-than-pot-users?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter - Same subject Washington Times, short subtle to the point.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/06/world/americas/us-remains-against-drug-legalization-in-mexico-biden-says.html?_r=0 - Presumptuous Mr. Biden confirming for certain to certain latin country majority leaders that the united states has no plans to legalize drugs.

(I apologize but I can't find the final article I am looking for from the new york times, but let's just say Mr. Biden doesn't like no Marijuana, nuh uuuuuhhhhhh.)

Thanks for the read Hippy! I looked for anything Obama and what he would do about our vote. You like most sound thinkers know that the Presedent would be digging himself and his party into a big fucking hole if he went against the VOTERS! It doesn't matter what the President thinks, you can't go against two states! It read in the article that more people in Co voted for the MJ bill than the fucking President! LOL if that doesn't send a message to Washington I don't know what will! The American public in Colorado care more about legalizing MJ than who the president is! That is a funny reality!

Id rep ya again for this hippy but can't!

"It would not make sense for us to see a top priority as going after recreational users in states that have determined that it's legal," Obama said.

The government takes a similar approach in the 18 states where medicinal marijuana is legal

That was from two of the articles. The way I am seeing this is Obama isn't going to fuck with MMJ people and Recreational users. "He said so"! If you start growing 45 or over the Feds are going to take a look at you! And seriously people if you are growing over 30 you know damn well you are in it for the money! Drop the whole I'm here to help people bullshit! The government wants their piece of the pie people, stop fighting, don't get greedy, fall in line and keep it at 30 and under! If you push the feds have proven they will push right back and they push ALOT harder! When the feds push your turds get pusshed! I don't trust the government or what they say, but I know if I stay quiet and mind my buisness the government and cops will leave me alone! Thats all I'm fucking looking for!

A good grower can do more with less, a shitty grower needs more to produce less! If you aren't making enough off 30 and you are in it for the money then maybe you need to find something else to do! JMHO

I read another post that said folks in Washington can't grow unless they are mmj patients with a card. Anybody know if that's correct? Or if recreational users can legally grow?

purewhiteflutterby said:

I read another post that said folks in Washington can't grow unless they are mmj patients with a card. Anybody know if that's correct? Or if recreational users can legally grow?

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I know it's rather weighty, and filled with opinion but I stated in my piece above that cannabis growing without a medical license is still illegal.

I would fully reiterate my feelings on the subject but I am tired. Basically in a nutshell good luck washington state government, you see for example you can make beer or grow tobacco but can't sell it because the resources to bust small personal supply operations is counter productive and only effective in a police state. While catching a person manufacturing for the purpose of sales and or selling an illegal substances well that's much easier and far more productive as far as resource expenditure in comparison to final effect.

Also colorado allows some growing for personal use while washington does not, and I almost wonder if there is something guiding it to that end to see which program is more feasible. How better to test the concept and see whether or not government control is feasible instead of mere regulation?

purewhiteflutterby said:

I read another post that said folks in Washington can't grow unless they are mmj patients with a card. Anybody know if that's correct? Or if recreational users can legally grow?

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Only grow is mmj not rec.
There will also be commercial producers supposedly but they will
have to have to jump through their own asses and sell for probably less than 3 a gram so I only see large investors
doing worth a shit. Who knows though?

But because it's legal, cops could basically care less unless you're growing/selling on a commercial scale. Washington State already had a low arrest rate for small personal grows and this means they will probably put zero resources into personal grows. Unless your house is being searched for some other reason, personal grows are going to fly under the radar.

TechnoMage said:

But because it's legal, cops could basically care less unless you're growing/selling on a commercial scale. Washington State already had a low arrest rate for small personal grows and this means they will probably put zero resources into personal grows. Unless your house is being searched for some other reason, personal grows are going to fly under the radar.

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Depending on whether or not you are in a conservative area I agree, as long as you keep your nose clean you have relatively little to worry about. But it is still illegal and as such I can't express that anyone should illegally grow cannabis though.

TechnoMage said:

But because it's legal, cops could basically care less unless you're growing/selling on a commercial scale. Washington State already had a low arrest rate for small personal grows and this means they will probably put zero resources into personal grows. Unless your house is being searched for some other reason, personal grows are going to fly under the radar.

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I agree brotha! Get your MMJ card and you are golden in this state! Your advice is good on any level, keep your nose clean and SMALL personal grows. With 502 the state is going to crack down on big grows, they are already laying ground work to get rid of Co-op 45 plant grows. They are doing that because the state knows as well as every other pot smoker knows, 45 plants is way to many plants for 3 people to smoke! LOL So what you add a few peole to your co-op grow???? the state doesn't care they want their money. Now 15-30 plants?

If you are smart and don't fuck with the cops you can fly right under the radar and still grow 30 plants! If you can't make a living off 30 plants in a state that weed is fucking legal then you need to find a new job!

Going medical you are double covered and for many it will help with employment problems. As in employers have less ammunition to test us out of the work place.

Me, I am going medical pretty soon. I have not grown in awhile and want to do it in a stress free environment. At least pretty stress free. I am in the planning stages right now, converting a half bathroom into a flower room. My girl and I are both going to go medical and it should go like clockwork. I was just looking at my bathroom.. sizing it up. I should be able to grow six plants pretty easily. I will add a bigger fan to the fart fan to cool the place. No worries about neighbors or the law anymore. This should be cool. Now I just have to find the clones. I am going to try to grow only my favorites herbs.

The original post was funny, The Feds are coming. If this country has nothing more important to worry about than me and my 6 plants I would be a happy man. The reality is the economy is held together in duct tape and prayers right now. It is one bad thing away from an all out depression. I shit you not.

They can come take my plants when they try to take my guns...but honestly, the feds dont give a shit. If they did, it would have stopped a long time ago.

Howard Stern said:

I agree brotha! Get your MMJ card and you are golden in this state! Your advice is good on any level, keep your nose clean and SMALL personal grows. With 502 the state is going to crack down on big grows, they are already laying ground work to get rid of Co-op 45 plant grows. They are doing that because the state knows as well as every other pot smoker knows, 45 plants is way to many plants for 3 people to smoke! LOL So what you add a few peole to your co-op grow???? the state doesn't care they want their money. Now 15-30 plants?

If you are smart and don't fuck with the cops you can fly right under the radar and still grow 30 plants! If you can't make a living off 30 plants in a state that weed is fucking legal then you need to find a new job!

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45 plants is NOT too much when you are making oils and medibles for your patients. Not everyone smokes, and it takes a lot of herb to make a relatively small amount of hash.