WARNING!One bulb 42w warm CFL grow!WARNING

UpUpAndAway1

UpUpAndAway1

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Going on her third set of leaves in just over a week! I think this may go a little smoother than I was thinking. Stopped messing with her and checking on her so much now and just let her do what she does!
 
Flaming Pie

Flaming Pie

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UpUpAndAway1 said:
Going on her third set of leaves in just over a week! I think this may go a little smoother than I was thinking. Stopped messing with her and checking on her so much now and just let her do what she does!
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Congrats! You got through the hardest part!

Alot of new growers kill their seedlings in the first week but yours looks good!

Wait another week and then you can introduce nutes.
 
PJ Diaz

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UpUpAndAway1 said:
Lol I see, and understand what you mean. Then by all my powers as a newb I will Grow on, And I will strive for more than 14g.. 14-28. and that is in the assumption that I dont add any extra lights. #OPANEWBIESTYLE!!!! XD
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You'll be very lucky to get 14g. If you come anywhere close to an oz, I'll come over and blow your mom every night for a week straight.

UpUpAndAway1 said:
BTW. I AM UNDER $7 INTO THIS ... :hump:
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That presupposes mom pays for power, and your time is worthless.

UpUpAndAway1 said:
You know what, that's a damn good ?

I really am expecting some good buds tbh, I would be pretty happy with anything over a quarter truthfully.
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You'll be super lucky to get anywhere near that with 42w clf. any expectations at all are sure to disappoint. sorry.

chillnburn1 said:
I would take your own advice just because you play a electric guitar doesnt mean you can play a ukulele and it also doesnt mean a ukulele cant make sweet music. Lol low budget equals low budget buds sounds more like ignorant comments equals no good advice.
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huh?

thenotsoesoteric said:
That doesn't even make since, if you can play a guitar then YOU CAN PLAY a ukulele. An ukulele is only four strings and is finger and chorded the same as a guitar. So yes, anyone that can play guitar can play ukulele, banjo(slightly different fingering and picking) bass, and many other stringed instruments. But I mean REALLY play guitar, not just being able to play a nirvana riff or some chords to "semi charmed life".
And I don't think you read what I wrote correctly, I basically said some people are posers and will give that shit up but tell people they still do it here and there.

I was honestly trying to give the OP the heads up. Thinking that he is going to get a quarter of a 43w twister bulb cfl is just ridiculous.

I started out the same way with twister bulbs and a 100w cfl from home depot, to veg with, then I read up and move to a hid(good set of t-5's or led's also). But my buddy was stubborn and continue to flower his under two 65w hps lights he got from a hardware store. So he had 130w, I think like 8500-10000 lumens total, and pulled a quarter of some mediocre buds(resinated but wispy and leafy), but at that time we thought was good. But for all the time wasted and money spent he could have bought an ounce.

You maybe $7 into it now but the thing has barely even started. I mean good luck, what's the worst that could happen.
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^^^ so true. except that the ukulele part is only really accurate for baritone ukuleles, since they're tuned the same as a guitar. Sure you can plan nice chords on other sizes of ukuleles but they won't be in the same key as the identical fingerings on guitar. anyway..

Flaming Pie said:
First grow I pulled ounce and half off of 180w of cfl. 2week veg

Second grow I pulled 3 and half ounces off 276w of cfl 3weekveg

I expect I will get at least four ounces this go round with 276w of cfl. 6weekveg
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..and if you went 250w hps you'd likely get 6-8oz

UpUpAndAway1 said:
^ women lie, men lie, numbers don't lie!

I have done quite some research now, and I'm coming to realize, when doing cfl's properly you get a decent yield maybe not great but decent, (been seeing some 1/2 pound+ on you tube)

Although the buds seem to be much, much frostier IMO.

Right on Flaming Pie, I will deff be checking up on your journal I like what you have going on!

Respect brotha!
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^^^none of this makes sense in the world of reality bro.

UpUpAndAway1 said:
You mean 180w like equivalent, or actually 180w of cfl?
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that word "equivalent" should never be used when it comes to cfl growing. "equivalent" to what?? to fucking incandescent!!!! who grows with incandescent? no one! the "equivalent" is meaningless to us. watts is watts. and guess what?? cfl watts < hid watts. that is to say, cfl wattage is less efficient than hid (hps or mh) wattage. fact. you would need around 300 to 350 watts of cfl to equal 250 watts of hps. also, let me correct any misconceptions of cfl being "cooler". wrong. fact: cfl is less efficient, and that inefficiency is expressed in heat loss. watt for watt, hps is cooler. fact. the thing is that the cfl lamps have a larger surface area (plus the ceramic around their built in ballast) to displace heat from, they seem cooler. fact is, you put 250w of cfl in a room next to another room with 250w of hps, the cfl room will be hotter.

UpUpAndAway1 said:
I will do a 50/50 miracle grow moisture control potting mix and a fox farms organic starter mix.
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why are you mixing miracle gro garbage with organic mix? miracle grow is owned by scotts who is owned by the evil corporation, Monsanto. Please don't support the evil empire. plus their products are crap. /rant

thenotsoesoteric said:
This might help with flower, if you can scrape up 20 bones.
http://www.lowes.com/pd_46931-75774-L65TN_4294801209__?productId=3197521&Ns=p_product_qty_sales_dollar|1&pl=1&currentURL=?Ns=p_product_qty_sales_dollar|1&facetInfo=

56w=300w for 3900 lumens.
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No. please. not more equivalent talk. 300w of hps is somewhere around 32,000 lumens. how is that equivalent?
 
thenotsoesoteric

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PJ Diaz said:
No. please. not more equivalent talk. 300w of hps is somewhere around 32,000 lumens. how is that equivalent?
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I put that up being a smart ass. If you noticed I tried to tell guy not to go through with the cfl and just wait till he can run a 250 hps, but yes I suggested a 250 hps from the get. I already know how this grow is going to turn out, but people hear what they want to hear.

PS It ends when his mom finds his not so secret box. If not it will be no quarter of bud, maybe bud and leaf. Either way cheers.
 
Flaming Pie

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6-8 oz off one plant with an 250w hps? maybe if you veg for 2 months, push nutes to the limit and NOTHING goes wrong.

I would rather have red and blue cfls on my plant then one hps. I would have to have a hps and MH to get the quality that cfl provides.

Is it as efficient in terms of weight? No.

Can it grow kick ass bud? Yes.
 
PJ Diaz

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Flaming Pie said:
6-8 oz off one plant with an 250w hps? maybe if you veg for 2 months, push nutes to the limit and NOTHING goes wrong.

I would rather have red and blue cfls on my plant then one hps. I would have to have a hps and MH to get the quality that cfl provides.

Is it as efficient in terms of weight? No.

Can it grow kick ass bud? Yes.
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Why do you have to only grow one plant? Why can't you grow two plants under hps and get 3 to 4 oz each for a total of 6 to 8oz? I disagree on the hps vs cfl theory of better spectrum, but that's ok because I use ceramic metal halide in my hps ballast currently, which provides a better spectrum at a higher efficiency. The 400w ballast new on ebay was $60 and the lamp was $40. to get 400w of cfl it would cost you about the same with far less efficiency (lumens/watt) and shorter lamp life = more cost in the long run.
 
Flaming Pie

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PJ Diaz said:
Why do you have to only grow one plant? Why can't you grow two plants under hps and get 3 to 4 oz each for a total of 6 to 8oz? I disagree on the hps vs cfl theory of better spectrum, but that's ok because I use ceramic metal halide in my hps ballast currently, which provides a better spectrum at a higher efficiency. The 400w ballast new on ebay was $60 and the lamp was $40. to get 400w of cfl it would cost you about the same with far less efficiency (lumens/watt) and shorter lamp life = more cost in the long run.
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I agree cfl will cost more in electricity. I had enough money to buy a carbon filter or a light this grow, I chose carbon filter. I prob won't upgrade lights for a while because my cost is still much lower than buying 3-4 oz of weed. Each grow is costing me like $60 dollars in electricity (I bought a meter to check).

Ah I thought you meant one plant. I have a limited grow area because I was dumb and bought a 2x3 tent. I should of bought the 2x4 or 4x4. smallest hps lights wont be able to be air cooled in my tent either due to the short width. If I am gonna have an hps I would want it air cooled.
 
Flaming Pie

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As far as CFL life, My bulbs have lasted me 3 grows already. Prob will replace soon but the 2700k are cheap and I only use 4 6500k.
 
thenotsoesoteric

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Flaming Pie said:
I agree cfl will cost more in electricity. I had enough money to buy a carbon filter or a light this grow, I chose carbon filter. I prob won't upgrade lights for a while because my cost is still much lower than buying 3-4 oz of weed. Each grow is costing me like $60 dollars in electricity (I bought a meter to check).
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$60 a grow in electricity! Same as running a 600w hps 12/12, pulling 21oz per 600 watter, and as far as quality, CFL's buds are not good enough to lose 16-17oz over, for sure for sure. But to each his own.

PS. I had an air cooled 250hps in a 18" x 30" x48" wardrobe cabinet, no problems and pulled 4oz a month with two rainforest buckets with 4-6 clones in each. Harvested one bucket a month and always got at least 3-4oz for a total of 6-8oz every two months. So you could get an air cooled hps in some tight places.

I'm not trying to tell you your business, but as I said relatively early on, been there and done that, well all except try to flower out under weak lighting, I'll let other people do that. Started with a 400w metal halide because I read up and listened to what other people had to say. Cheers.
 
Flaming Pie

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thenotsoesoteric said:
$60 a grow in electricity! Same as running a 600w hps 12/12, pulling 21oz per 600 watter, and as far as quality, CFL's buds are not good enough to lose 16-17oz over, for sure for sure. But to each his own.

PS. I had an air cooled 250hps in a 18" x 30" x48" wardrobe cabinet, no problems and pulled 4oz a month with two rainforest buckets with 4-6 clones in each. Harvested one bucket a month and always got at least 3-4oz for a total of 6-8oz every two months. So you could get an air cooled hps in some tight places.

I'm not trying to tell you your business, but as I said relatively early on, been there and done that, well all except try to flower out under weak lighting, I'll let other people do that. Started with a 400w metal halide because I read up and listened to what other people had to say. Cheers.
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Sorry just checked my post on costs (that I recorded last year). On 12/12 it costs me 10 a month to run everything. My two fans included.

prob 15 now with more cfls up.

It is going to cost me 180 dollars for the hood and light that will fit my tent. My tent is 22x36inches.

So until I have a few more grows I will stick with my cfls. Will always use cfls for veg. We will see what the future holds. I don't need 4 oz a month.
 
PJ Diaz

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I've grown with 400w aircooled HPS in a tent about the same size. You can get everything for $100 on craigslist easy.
 
PJ Diaz

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For reference a 23w cfl produces around 1600 lumens, so to get the same lumen output as 150w hps, you would need 230 watts of cfl. That extra 80w is exhibited as heat loss. That means you also have to spend more power to get rid of the extra heat.

Also, a 23w cfl is around $4 these days. So really you're looking at spending $40 on substandard lighting equipment vs $60 on more efficient HID lighting which will also save you $$ on power in the long run. The difference in power will cost you around $4 a month if during 12/12 if you pay $.15/KwH.
 
Flaming Pie

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PJ Diaz said:
For reference a 23w cfl produces around 1600 lumens, so to get the same lumen output as 150w hps, you would need 230 watts of cfl. That extra 80w is exhibited as heat loss. That means you also have to spend more power to get rid of the extra heat.

Also, a 23w cfl is around $4 these days. So really you're looking at spending $40 on substandard lighting equipment vs $60 on more efficient HID lighting which will also save you $$ on power in the long run. The difference in power will cost you around $4 a month if during 12/12 if you pay $.15/KwH.
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4 for $5 dollars at home depot.

Also I don't like the light you posted. It has a self contained ballast. No thanks. If I am getting an HPS I will get a digital ballast with a better hood that cools in a straight line over the bulb.

Plus that return policy is horrible! 25% restock fee and you can't open the box? Wtf is that?

Edit: We really need to stop filling Up's thread up with this back and forth..
 
PJ Diaz

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Flaming Pie said:
4 for $5 dollars at home depot.

Also I don't like the light you posted. It has a self contained ballast. No thanks. If I am getting an HPS I will get a digital ballast with a better hood that cools in a straight line over the bulb.

Plus that return policy is horrible! 25% restock fee and you can't open the box? Wtf is that?

Edit: We really need to stop filling Up's thread up with this back and forth..
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I wouldn't buy that light personally either, I would spend the extra cash and get something better. I thought you were worried about spectrum though. You can't run a CMH with a digi ballast if you're worried about having the best HID spectrum.

Also I call BS on a 4-pack of 23w cfls costing $5 at home depot. Sure, maybe if they are 14 watters, but the 23w 4-packs are closer to $8, but you are correct that they are less than I quoted for those low end cfls:

http://www.homedepot.com/p/23-Watt-100W-Daylight-CFL-Light-Bulb-4-Pack-E-ES5M8234RS50K/202913023?N=1z0ykp6#.UgcG99KsiSo
 
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