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Monkeyfloss

Monkeyfloss

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Wolverine97 said:
^^^This. 100%, this. Well said Brick.
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Not well said AT ALL!

FACT 1: Ruderalis IS Cannabis.
FACT 2: Cross breeding with the Ruderalis and Sativa/Indica strain HAS resulted in the strong and tasty phenotypes. These 'desirable' plants are kept for reproduction with other 'good' crosses which eventually result in stable plants with good genetics. This is how ALL the weed you smoke came to be, Selective breeding.
FACT 3: Ruderalis crosses are getting stronger through global selective breeding. Remember this indoor growing culture is still relatively new. Many of the plants you consume took many years to look the way they do today from carrots to cucumbers. To make the statement that this is all a 'gimmick' and propaganda shows ignorance because it implies that its is a transient fad, actually, many breeders are going to keep crossing the Ruderalis whatever you think.
 
thrash4ever

thrash4ever

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But there's no denying it's much more efficient to grow the two other physically dominant species in the genus.
A scrogged Indica versus a Ruderalis? The taste and cerebral high of a Sativa?
I just want to know what are the advantages of growing an auto? It's compact size? If it's not a fad it's a novelty, a play-thing for scientists and something for seed companies to market.
We all know that corn started out as a tiny fruit, and through selective breeding over thousands of years (?), resulted in the much larger, present version we associate with the species.
But it's not as if selective breeding techniques are peculiar to Ruderalis... I'm no professor on plant history but I'm sure Indica and Sativa have a much longer history of selective breeding, meaning... the hard work has been done, go use the the fruits of past labour.
As has been pointed out, by Wolverine, why go to the (commonly) risky lengths to set up a grow only to see a much reduced yield or qualitatively-reduced smoke?
Seems like a waste of time debating it (as well as growing it)!.. :p
 
Monkeyfloss

Monkeyfloss

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thrash4ever said:
But there's no denying it's much more efficient to grow the two other physically dominant species in the genus.
A scrogged Indica versus a Ruderalis? The taste and cerebral high of a Sativa?
I just want to know what are the advantages of growing an auto? It's compact size? If it's not a fad it's a novelty, a play-thing for scientists and something for seed companies to market.
We all know that corn started out as a tiny fruit, and through selective breeding over thousands of years (?), resulted in the much larger, present version we associate with the species.
But it's not as if selective breeding techniques are peculiar to Ruderalis... I'm no professor on plant history but I'm sure Indica and Sativa have a much longer history of selective breeding, meaning... the hard work has been done, go use the the fruits of past labour.
As has been pointed out, by Wolverine, why go to the (commonly) risky lengths to set up a grow only to see a much reduced yield or qualitatively-reduced smoke?
Seems like a waste of time debating it (as well as growing it)!.. :p
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If it's not a fad it's a novelty : fad and novelty mean the same thing , dont they?? just symantics. Either way I disagree.

why go to the (commonly) risky lengths to set up a grow only to see a much reduced yield or qualitatively-reduced smoke?
Seems like a waste of time debating it (as well as growing it)! Not all growers interested in cultivating anything (cannabis or cherries) are motivated just for yield or potency. Many like myself and friends are interested in other traits like taste, colour of the plant and even just experimenting to find new/interesting phenotypical traits. If it wasnt for the peeps actually interested in the breeding of the plants, then we would all be still smoking bush weed.

I'm no professor on plant history but I'm sure Indica and Sativa have a much longer history of selective breeding. Not much longer,No!! Most of the interesting work on indica and sativa has been done in the last couple of decades. and this selective breeding has had a much greater effect on what we smoke today then 10 thousand years of natural selection. In the next few years watch out for the SUPER Ruderalis crosses. Buy some.smoke some then feel a little silly at your above comment.
 
thrash4ever

thrash4ever

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Cool! To each their own!
All I'm saying is; there appears to be no benefit over growing a traditional cultivar.
As an experiment; it's cool - I'd never say no to a joint whose contents had had so much special treatment and investigation.
As a practical arrangement it is not so efficient; for someone with limited time, space, money, the luxury of trying something out cannot displace the need to have a plant that yields.
p.s. Indicas - ten thousand years of natural selection? What about human interaction in India, etc.?

Joint time :D
 
Monkeyfloss

Monkeyfloss

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thrash4ever said:
Cool! To each their own!
All I'm saying is; there appears to be no benefit over growing a traditional cultivar.
As an experiment; it's cool - I'd never say no to a joint whose contents had had so much special treatment and investigation.
As a practical arrangement it is not so efficient; for someone with limited time, space, money, the luxury of trying something out cannot displace the need to have a plant that yields.
p.s. Indicas - ten thousand years of natural selection? What about human interaction in India, etc.?

Joint time :D
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What about human interaction in india, you say?, Im not saying that Indians never messed with cannabis in that 10 thousand years but they probably werent smoking sensimillia (i.e) females exclusively. Neither did they have available all the genetics around today (they didnt have the internet or planes). So their weed never had the variety of taste or potency we have now.

Its similar to dogs, although dogs have existed for countless thousands of years and some cultures like the Romans even breed them for specific traits, it wasnt until the last few hundred years that selective breeding has produced the many multitude of different breeds we have today. Another example is carrots, which believe it or not were purple until the dutch royal family decided they wanted to eat carrots in their royal colour, orange.
The key is human interaction and selectively choosing the desirable phenotypical to breed on.

peace
 
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yeah i've just checked the trichomes with my 40x magnifing torch thingy, long way to go. i'm thinking about baking them under 600w hps, but it's going to be bringing heat issues and higher costs
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Personally if you harvest little i think it's more of a waste of money running the lights you ran. If you have a heavy harvest it will make up for using the 600W HPS. I work in the hydroponics industry and can tell you that those LED's are only good for supplemental light. The technology is not there yet to be able to harvest what you can with mh/hps combo.
 
NoGutsGrower

NoGutsGrower

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I didn't read all the post but I would cut the foliar feeding. all that water and nutes clog the stoma. IMO foliar feeding is to cure problems not to sustain growth. leave the nutrient uptake to the roots. It like getting your nutrients through an IV. it works but it is just while fixing a problem and not as good as just eating.
 
NoGutsGrower

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Nullis said:
Unfortunately there is a very good chance that Jorge Cervantes is full of shit. This guy writes for High Times, and he probably doesn't even grow legal plants. Although there is some sugar left over in blackstrap molasses, blackstrap is much more than sugar. Reread my previous post where I summarized various concrete uses: potassium and minerals (calcium, magnesium, zinc, iron, manganese, copper, selenium) and also some B vitamins (B6 in particular).

The majority of sucrose (including that which remains in blackstrap) is consumed by the soil biota, when present. Field studies on other plants have demonstrated that exogenous sucrose simply is not widely absorbed by the plant roots. If I remember correctly only about 16% of it was taken up by the roots, and there it was metabolized. Key words here being exogenous sucrose, use those terms in the search if you care to find any research that comes from say an actual team of scientists as opposed to some dude who pretends to be a cannabis grow guru for a magazine.
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HaHa you got to be joking me! he wrote and released his first book in 1983, when were you born? It was called indoor marijuana horticulture. It was given the nickname back then as the grow bible and has only expanded since! Pick it up and read it! I am sure it shits on anything you think you know about growing! Read the book and point out one thing that isn't true! Yeah he has written for high times. thats because he knows his shit! where is your spot in high times? I didn't check to see if the numbers he said are true but if that is what jorge said then I'll stand by it (not saying I wouldn't check to see if those are jorges numbers). Look at just a few of the things he has done before you slander a legend!

http://www.marijuanagrowing.com/dhtml/media_biography.php
 
Da Almighty Jew

Da Almighty Jew

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Well said Nullis, i wanted to write something like that but didn't want to waste my time on somebody oblivious to one of the biggest cannabis guru's around
 
Monkeyfloss

Monkeyfloss

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Da Almighty Jew said:
Well said Nullis, i wanted to write something like that but didn't want to waste my time on somebody oblivious to one of the biggest cannabis guru's around
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Actually Nullis dissed Cervantes. NoGutsGrower Is the one who you agree with.... For my 2 pence: Cervantes is well known as a foremost weed guru and respected by many. Ive not read his book but I wonder how many coffee shops in Amsterdam use black mollasses, just a guess but I would say none .make of that what you will. Ive never used it nor has anyone I know. Also, surely if it was 'that' helpful it would be marketed and sold in hydro shops, Ive never seen any at the numerous hydro shops I frequent, have anyone else seen this product.

If anyone here knows of a Black Mollasses plant feed please post a link here.
p.s . ..... Im careful about labelling experts as 'full of shit" without hard facts but ............ just being an 'expert' doesnt make you immune from being wrong or chatting shit. Ive heard many PHD graduates chatting shit on many many things
 
Da Almighty Jew

Da Almighty Jew

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Monkeyfloss said:
Actually Nullis dissed Cervantes. NoGutsGrower Is the one who you agree with.... For my 2 pence: Cervantes is well known as a foremost weed guru and respected by many. Ive not read his book but I wonder how many coffee shops in Amsterdam use black mollasses, just a guess but I would say none .make of that what you will. Ive never used it nor has anyone I know. Also, surely if it was 'that' helpful it would be marketed and sold in hydro shops, Ive never seen any at the numerous hydro shops I frequent, have anyone else seen this product.

If anyone here knows of a Black Mollasses plant feed please post a link here.
p.s . ..... Im careful about labelling experts as 'full of shit" without hard facts but ............ just being an 'expert' doesnt make you immune from being wrong or chatting shit. Ive heard many PHD graduates chatting shit on many many things
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Seriously monkey floss u have no idea what you are talking about. Many many fertilizers are derived specifically from blackstrap molasses. Do a search you will see all info on benefits. Another thing noob, I bet you've never been to amsterdam, have you? Another thing is if you have i bet you never asked a grower from a coffee shop their if they use molasses.
So i will think nothing of your comment. Do more research before you rip on benefits of molasses.
 
Monkeyfloss

Monkeyfloss

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Da Almighty Jew said:
Seriously monkey floss u have no idea what you are talking about. Many many fertilizers are derived specifically from blackstrap molasses. Do a search you will see all info on benefits. Another thing noob, I bet you've never been to amsterdam, have you? Another thing is if you have i bet you never asked a grower from a coffee shop their if they use molasses.
So i will think nothing of your comment. Do more research before you rip on benefits of molasses.
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You chat some crap ..... I never discounted it or rippedon the benefits, I said I dont know and asked for clarification, you fool lol
Im not a noob, I live in the UK and have been to the Dam 3 times. First was in 1991. .... No, Ive never asked a coffess shop owner if they use Black Mollasses, have you?????

haha .... I do like the way u use the term 'noob'. Only a fool would attempt to use that term in a pejorative sense, you are a troll trying to make people who ask genuine questions feel stupid. Well my friend, I believe there are no stupid questions just stupid answers. And your answer was as stupid as it gets.

peace
 
Monkeyfloss

Monkeyfloss

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and being derived from something is different from using the unrefined form. I use petrol in my car not crude oil.
 
Monkeyfloss

Monkeyfloss

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Monkeyfloss said:
Actually Nullis dissed Cervantes. NoGutsGrower Is the one who you agree with.... For my 2 pence: Cervantes is well known as a foremost weed guru and respected by many. Ive not read his book but I wonder how many coffee shops in Amsterdam use black mollasses, just a guess but I would say none .make of that what you will. Ive never used it nor has anyone I know. Also, surely if it was 'that' helpful it would be marketed and sold in hydro shops, Ive never seen any at the numerous hydro shops I frequent, have anyone else seen this product.

If anyone here knows of a Black Mollasses plant feed please post a link here.
p.s . ..... Im careful about labelling experts as 'full of shit" without hard facts but ............ just being an 'expert' doesnt make you immune from being wrong or chatting shit. Ive heard many PHD graduates chatting shit on many many things
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The BioBizz grow I use looks like Mollasses and is apparently based on Sugar beet so maybe it does have some benefits....its nice to learn something new :-) Still reckon its more likely the Dutch use BioBizz (or similar) than Black Mollasses from a Jar.
 
Da Almighty Jew

Da Almighty Jew

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You are definetly a noob, dont even know that molasses is useful in the garden smfh :twisted:


"Ive not read his book but I wonder how many coffee shops in Amsterdam use black mollasses, just a guess but I would say none .make of that what you will. Ive never used it nor has anyone I know. Also, surely if it was 'that' helpful it would be marketed and sold in hydro shops, Ive never seen any at the numerous hydro shops I frequent, have anyone else seen this product."

I will definetly make nothing of that your the fool.
 
Monkeyfloss

Monkeyfloss

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Da Almighty Jew said:
You are definetly a noob, dont even know that molasses is useful in the garden smfh :twisted:


"Ive not read his book but I wonder how many coffee shops in Amsterdam use black mollasses, just a guess but I would say none .make of that what you will. Ive never used it nor has anyone I know. Also, surely if it was 'that' helpful it would be marketed and sold in hydro shops, Ive never seen any at the numerous hydro shops I frequent, have anyone else seen this product."

I will definetly make nothing of that your the fool.
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Tooo funny ...... oooooo am i supposed to be shook because you (a stranger) calls me a noob. lol .... grow up my friend
and oh know ..... i didnt even know molasses is useful in the garden...thats terrible. :mrgreen: shoot me now.

btw.... you only knew that because you read it somewhere too. Also, I think you mean "you're" and not "your", If youre gonna start calling people noob then it would be prudent to do it with the correct punctuation and spelling.
 
Da Almighty Jew

Da Almighty Jew

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don't get your panties in a bunch, Do a search on this website or on internet about using molasses in the garden and you will get a ton of articles.
 
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