Vote yes prop 19

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GanjaVerde

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TokinPodPilot said:
Way to information fail. Prop. 215 has never been altered since it was submitted for voter approval.

It's a moral question for those who don't have a solid reasonable argument. Especially the "people are in jail" argument. Prop. 19 doesn't do anything to free ANY of them. It's immoral to willingly exclude 18-20 year old because you can't be arsed to get a prescription or stand up for your rights to grow for the purpose of personal consumption. It's immoral to set up a legitimized system of selling cannabis for recreational use when the same thousands of people currently in jail that you talk about will continue to sit and waste away for doing exactly what the supporters of Prop. 19 are looking to do themselves. It's too bad your "morality" isn't tempered with some reason.
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It may not release all who have been convicted because it is illegal, but it will insure that fewer will go to jail in the future.

Propositions can be modified by the state senate, have you heard of senate bill 420? What about the supreme court ruling that found the 6 and 12 plant limits were complete bullshit?

Face the facts, the main reason that major growers are opposed is because of their fear of losing their livelihood, their own financial gain, their own personal interest. I can't hate on it, I can only see that a few may take a pay cut, but the vast majority will benefit from the freedom legalization will bring. Cannabis should be legal, everyone here knows it, and just like ANYTHING that affects your head that is used recreationally, it WILL be taxed and regulated in the open market, its just the way it is.
 
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fdd2blk

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GanjaVerde said:
It may not release all who have been convicted because it is illegal, but it will insure that fewer will go to jail in the future.

Propositions can be modified by the state senate, have you heard of senate bill 420? What about the supreme court ruling that found the 6 and 12 plant limits were complete bullshit?

Face the facts, the main reason that major growers are opposed is because of their fear of losing their livelihood, their own financial gain, their own personal interest. I can't hate on it, I can only see that a few may take a pay cut, but the vast majority will benefit from the freedom legalization will bring. Cannabis should be legal, everyone here knows it, and just like ANYTHING that affects your head that is used recreationally, it WILL be taxed and regulated in the open market, its just the way it is.
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funny stuff. bongsmilie
 
TokinPodPilot

TokinPodPilot

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GanjaVerde said:
It may not release all who have been convicted because it is illegal, but it will insure that fewer will go to jail in the future.
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Fewer people would go to jail if they stood up for their rights. Prop. 19 isn't needed for that. It is needed for commercial sales and that's what the proponents really care about.

GanjaVerde said:
Propositions can be modified by the state senate, have you heard of senate bill 420?
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Indeed I have. Have you?

GanjaVerde said:
What about the supreme court ruling that found the 6 and 12 plant limits were complete bullshit?
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You mean the Kelly decision that found SB 420 unconstitutional? The same bill you just quoted as an example of how easy it is to change a voter initiative?

GanjaVerde said:
Face the facts, the main reason that major growers are opposed is because of their fear of losing their livelihood, their own financial gain, their own personal interest. I can't hate on it, I can only see that a few may take a pay cut, but the vast majority will benefit from the freedom legalization will bring. Cannabis should be legal, everyone here knows it, and just like ANYTHING that affects your head that is used recreationally, it WILL be taxed and regulated in the open market, its just the way it is.
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And the proponents are for it so that they can establish large markets and make themselves some mega-profit. But, I suppose it's easy to justify other people's hardship when you don't have the backbone to stand up for your own rights or take viable options to protect yourself from persecution.
 
teryy

teryy

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if 19 passes say good bye to ordering seeds online..instead of a letter saying youre package is here come get claim it or lose it. You will be breaking some kind of super law.. If the gov and big companys win this vote Selling weed will get youre ass federal time.Trust me they are ganna find a way to tax the shit out us. Get a med card and be happy.Do you really want weed to become a house hold product? I dont.the Bigger the business the less control or say the little people will have YOU being little people. You can grow a 5x5 space now dont tell no 1 and youre golden. If you hear people talk about JACK and how hard he fought for mj,you should know this bill aint right. We want weed to be legal like roses and other flowers that grow wild<think about it> If you had to vote on paying for water would you vote for the gov to control and tax it? Or for it to be free and there for the world to love no hassle? my 2 cents
 
Matt Rize

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
teryy said:
if 19 passes say.../QUOTE]

hello to people from the world over coming here to buy and smoke some cali ganja. just think... they could fly here from Japan just to buy a gram of your herb, to smoke weed for the very first time. will you be represented in some legal outlet so they can come here and legally (in a taxed and controlled manner, ugh) purchase your ganja? well that depends on quality. still undecided...argh
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teryy

teryy

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they can fly they ass to cali and smoke now, if they wanted to. if prop 19 pass and youre high doing any thing they ganna blame weed for it. Let sum ass whole hit his wife,and he was high the news will say WEED makes man beat wife.Youll see well i hope not
 
Matt Rize

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
teryy said:
they can fly they ass to cali and smoke now, if they wanted to. if prop 19 pass and youre high doing any thing they ganna blame weed for it. Let sum ass whole hit his wife,and he was high the news will say WEED makes man beat wife.Youll see well i hope not
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That scenario is kinda crazy, but okay. They can fly here and smoke legally if they can get a 215 rec without a CA license. But we don't acknowledge other state's recs...i think that is still true. Either way, you know what I mean.
 
teryy

teryy

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I dont know what part of cali youre from But ive seen or smelt weed every where. So if a person from china comes they have weed in china town and that gos for any race of person.Go to hollywood, or venice beach. Hell go ask those rastas that been out there on the beach for years smoking ad selling weed and BOB posters. If 19 pass weed wont be the same.And trust me the police will be on you even more while youre driving fri,sat,sunday nights just to make sure youre not smoking and driving.All this time people have been fighting for weed and they were getting no, Now they migth say yeah why???? THey are going to CONTROL,TAX,REGULATE it. Go to webesters and read those and tell me if you feel the same
 
beardo

beardo

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I am going to have to vote no. The more I read the prop 19 info the more it sounds really bad. I want marijuana to be made legal not to make more laws defining what is illegal to do with marijuana and how much time they want to give you for marijuana. I think Prop 19 is an evil scam it is propaganda and I hope everyone will see this and VOTE NO
 
The Ruiner

The Ruiner

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GanjaVerde said:
It may not release all who have been convicted because it is illegal, but it will insure that fewer will go to jail in the future.

Propositions can be modified by the state senate, have you heard of senate bill 420? What about the supreme court ruling that found the 6 and 12 plant limits were complete bullshit?

Face the facts, the main reason that major growers are opposed is because of their fear of losing their livelihood, their own financial gain, their own personal interest. I can't hate on it, I can only see that a few may take a pay cut, but the vast majority will benefit from the freedom legalization will bring. Cannabis should be legal, everyone here knows it, and just like ANYTHING that affects your head that is used recreationally, it WILL be taxed and regulated in the open market, its just the way it is.
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Not to mention their reputations....which in my opinion are already seriously taking a flogging because of the POS prop 19. I think that some very prominent people in the MJ community are risking EVERYTHING to have 19 passed, and subsequently to make these greedy fuckers untouchable after its passage. Because once that shit goes through...thats it. Done. The war will be over and all those "heroes" of the MJ community, that fucked over everyone else, no one will be able to do a thing about it...I think what these people are doing is flat-out despicable and I hope that this all backfires right in their faces. They deserve to lose everything now...and they deserve no sympathy either.
 
Steadmanclan

Steadmanclan

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no on 19 keeps 80% of the herb smokers in cali felons waiting to be caught...

how is that good?

yes on 19 changes nothing for anyone who is already able to use and grow under 215.

ive read the law more than once.

im voting yes.
 
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fdd2blk

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Steadmanclan said:
no on 19 keeps 80% of the herb smokers in cali felons waiting to be caught...

how is that good?

yes on 19 changes nothing for anyone who is already able to use and grow under 215.

ive read the law more than once.

im voting yes.
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smoking herb is not a felony.
 
Steadmanclan

Steadmanclan

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i guess i should have substituted felons for criminals in my post before. shouldn't even be an infraction.

A major state like CA passing a legalization initiative would force the federal government to rethink the cannabis laws. they would have to. if both CA and WA pass legalization this year, it would help to bring change to the rest of the country. It couldn't possibly hurt anyone on this forum, or anyone on the streets. unless of course you are paying all your bills slinging herb, the poor unfortunate street dealer would need to get a real job. even if that were a problem for me, it would be greatly outweighed by the thought of not having to worry about cops. med card or not, patients still get hassled all the time. even though 19 is specifically worded to not have any impact on prop 215, the increased acceptance caused by the passing of 19 would facilitate an over all improvement in the lives of patients too.

how is it a bad thing?

all the talk about not wanting "big business" to get their hands on our weed is absolute fear-mongering bullshit. there is nothing wrong with commercially produced consumer goods. that is actually one of the benefits of living in a technologically advanced society. it's not as if the boogey man is going to come steal your seeds. just replace all the mexi's sold north of the border with american grown schwag. the mindless masses won't know the difference, and you and I will still only smoke the best.
 
Matt Rize

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
Steadmanclan said:
there is nothing wrong with commercially produced consumer goods.

that is actually one of the benefits of living in a technologically advanced society. it's not as if the boogey man is going to come steal your seeds. just replace all the mexi's sold north of the border with american grown schwag. the mindless masses won't know the difference, and you and I will still only smoke the best.
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disagree with the first sentence. 'nothing' is way too exclusive. the creation of commercial production has negative and positive affects on most industries.

agree with the rest.
 
TokinPodPilot

TokinPodPilot

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Steadmanclan said:
the mindless masses won't know the difference, and you and I will still only smoke the best.
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This kind of thinking is the problem with commercialism and the "big" business model. Thank you for making my point for me. I fight for all cannabis users. Prop. 19 makes us have to choose who is OK to smoke and who isn't. You can cut-and-run, I'm gonna be the guy standing up for the ones you're willing to leave behind in lieu of growing a spine.
 
JustAnotherFriedDay

JustAnotherFriedDay

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TokinPodPilot said:
Indeed, smoking and possession just became an infraction. bongsmilie
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Even before it was not a felony. It was a 100 dollar fine (if that) and you had to go to court and it went on your record. Now it's just a fine, no court, no record. Saves a bunch of money and another step in the right direction.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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The impact of the vote in California reaches far beyond California. If it passes, it will likely set a positive chain reaction in other states. I hate to think of what will happen if it fails. I really do.

I've seen times years ago when many thought it was going to become legal and then the REAGAN / BUSH "just say no" back slide happened. I'm not sure that shit will happen again, but frankly it concerns me. What's to prevent it?

I don't like "legal and tax". However I'd vote yes because I believe this bill if it passes will be the defining moment to eventually end prohibition every where. I ask California voters to VOTE YES, the rest of us are watching and hoping. Remember in the rest of the country, people still go to jail for small amounts and certainly for growing. There are people in NH trying to get it done and they still send people to jail there. Trust me, I know.

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