Vegging how long???

SiriusKush

Member
Gonna be growing CH9 2 california and 2 afghani milk soon using DWC and a 600w HPS
gonna top them all too
How long should I veg them?
I wanna yield 3-4lb is this realistic with the amount of plants and light?
or should I decrease the number of plants to maximize my yield?

-SK
 

buddwasher

Active Member
if think one 600w will support about a max of 15 plants in a 6'x6' space

i feel about 0.5g per watt for a first grow realistic, so only 10 oz

as u using DWC (im ebb and flo) maybe u can get that closer to 1g per watt

so get another 600w and u will be on target

how many seeds u buying?
 

SiriusKush

Member
I bought 5 california from the ch9 site but the owner(pete cool guy) sent me 10 california and 3 afgani milk so ive got 13
 

buddwasher

Active Member
13 hey:D nice i think with a really good DWC set up optimum lighting etc.. u should look to get max 3 oz per plant when using min vegging to spped up cycle

so if u must get 50oz then u could extend vegging time to like 4 weeks for alot more grouth, butmost try to get grouth dense but low due to hight restrictions

but the quicker u can turn around a crop the better surely ?

still with 1x 600w and good size grow room some LST' ing 13 plants could
 

Stinkmeaner

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lookie here, if you want a plant to finish at say 3 foot you vegg it to 1 feet then switch to 12/12 flowerpower mode. the tree tends to grow to the double size at minimum when you switch the lights.
so its up to you. mine will finish at one and a half feet i think
 

woodsmaneh!

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Gonna be growing CH9 2 california and 2 afghani milk soon using DWC and a 600w HPS
gonna top them all too. 6oow is good for 3x3 and 3 feet high + your light = 6 to 9" for a total of 3' 9".
How long should I veg them? They should be no higher than 15 to 18" when you put them into flower.
I wanna yield 3-4lb is this realistic with the amount of plants and light? Not a fucking chance, if your an ace 1 g per watt, if your god 2 g per watt. If your a dude growing first time and you don't step on your dick 1/2g per watt. You want a pound+ you need the big dog 1000w Super HPS.
or should I decrease the number of plants to maximize my yield? 5 or 9 plants you will get about the same yield if you use all the light, ideal is 2 sq ft per plant = 3x3 = 9sq ft = 5 plants. So go with 5 to 9 at most.

-SK

Hope this helps.
 

woodsmaneh!

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if think one 600w will support about a max of 15 plants in a 6'x6' space

i feel about 0.5g per watt for a first grow realistic, so only 10 oz

as u using DWC (im ebb and flo) maybe u can get that closer to 1g per watt

so get another 600w and u will be on target

how many seeds u buying?
Good advice but you went into the weeds on the 600w.....

Hummmmmmmm "if think one 600w will support about a max of 15 plants in a 6'x6' space"

Not a chance 6x6 for a 600, that truly is very optimistic, I'm being nice here. A 1000w super hps is only good for 4 x 4 and 5' high including fixture.

Check out any light site or here and you will find the same answers.
 

SiriusKush

Member
Just gotta new Job so Im gonna get a 1000w hps for flowering . Also I just gott my net pots in today 10" inch hucking fuge im gonna put two beans in each 5 gallon bucket veg with the 600w and flower with 1000w . what do u thing and rep+ for u Woodsman for keeping it 100
 

woodsmaneh!

Well-Known Member
Just gotta new Job so Im gonna get a 1000w hps for flowering . Also I just gott my net pots in today 10" inch hucking fuge im gonna put two beans in each 5 gallon bucket veg with the 600w and flower with 1000w . what do u thing and rep+ for u Woodsman for keeping it 100
So your going to flower 4 plants under a 1000w, = 16sq ft = 4 sq ft per plant = 4 plants

To max your light I would veg till they were 18" and than top them, use the tops for clones, and veg till all the plants were 20" than flower. Do not do this if your plants only grow one main fat dick, you can do this to almost every indica I have ever grown or seen. You should also use LST to maxamise your light.

I jacked this for you

How-To : LST (Low Stress Training)
Well here we go, LST (Low Stress Training) the ultimate way to maximize your yield.

Before we begin lets get some knowledge on what you will be looking at.

Light Brown : Pot Outline
Green thick Lines : Main Stem
Small Thin Lines with Green Balls on top : Fan leafs
Yellow Lines : Side Branches
Red : Tiedown Metal Hooks (or thread whichever item you use, i use Hooks its easier)

The Text in the box : First digit is Step No. and Second Digit is Pot Size, below the numbers is the type of view your looking at (either from the SIDE or from the TOP)


Now that thats out of the way lets get it on..

Please note, you dont have to do it this way, its just the idea of how to do LST, this is the way i did it and you can see the end result of 4 weeks of growth this way in my signature picture where it says FIM/LST. Some may opt to use the eggcrate method where you utilize an eggcrate around the pot and tie it down to that with zipties instead of using string or hooks running from the pot itself... this way you can cover more square footage and maximize your yield even more.

Ok heres the STEPS PICTURE for you to follow along with.



STEP 1 : Grow your plant from Seed or Clone to 3 or 4 leaf sets, some use 5 but i always use 3 because after 3rd leaf set the main stem starts to harden and it will be harder to bend over your plant properly without breaking the main stem.

STEP 2 : Using a metal hook (i cut small sections of cloths hanger and bend a U shape at the end as a hook) bend over your plant with metal hook at the last inter-node (space between the last set of fan leafs and the next to last) and stick the metal hook into your dirt to hold down the stem.

STEP 3 : This is really not a step, just waiting time... Take note of how the top of the plant that was bent down will bend back upwards towards the light, this could take anywhere from 3 hours to 1 day. Under my 1000 Watt Metal Halide light it does it in under 3 hours.

STEP 4 : Veg and don't tie down until you have a new leaf set. You will notice Side branching has started already because good light is getting to the main stem areas next to each fanleaf stem intersection with the main stem.

STEP 5 : Depending on your starting pot size you may have to transplant. If you started out with a large pot, repeat step 2 over and over again holding the main stem down with hooks until you reach the end of the pot. In this illustration to save time and drawings, i started out with a small pot and it reached the end of the pot after the first tie-down. I re-potted it into a 10 inch pot which will be my final pot size for this plant in order for me to continue the LST Bends around the inside edge of the pot.

STEP 6 : Now that your new leaf set has formed you have enough length in growth since the first bend(s) to allow you to start bending the stem horizontally around the inside edge of the pot. Use metal hooks again to keep this bend in place. Side branches should be coming along very nicely.

STEP 7 : Continue repeating steps 4 and 6, allowing the plant to grow and then keep tieing it down along the inside edge of pot using metal hooks (or whatever your using) Side branches should be forming and growing up towards the light.

STEP 8 : Continue to repeat step 7 until you are all the way around the pot... when you reach the point where your plant first met the edge of the plant Top the plant (cut off the very top of the plant ) and hold it down horizontally with a metal hook.... During all this time of repeating step 7 you should also be tieing down horizontally the new branches that have formed from the main stem as much as possible until you use up as much space as possible inside the pot as well , the outer branches growing over the outside edge of the pot you can hold down as well with string to keep those tops even with the inner branches.

STEP 9 : After you have used up all possible space inside the pot (or your egg crate) its time to just let it flower.. This is a side view of how it will and should look by that time with all the side branches growing upwards towards the light.... these will all become Colas unlike a non LST plant will only have one cola.

During flowering and even before due to lack of light on the main stem fan leafs which is all the way to the bottom almost against the soil those fanleafs will die off anyways, i usually cut these off the main stem right after the branch has grown out in that area, keeps things neat down below where you will need good airflow during flowering.. so go ahead and take off any fan leafs coming off the main stem that is going around the inside edge of the pot.

Set your timer to 12/12 and watch it bloom
 

buddwasher

Active Member
woodsmaneh gives sound advise - he takes no prisoners - my kinda guy (no not that way!!) i did say maximum that a 600w light could support a 6'x6' grow room - obviously if u have the cash 1000w is no brainer

infact i use a 6' x7' grow space but use x2 600w HPS
 
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