Vector vs Colibri/london vs Ronson vs ???

Hey guys. just wondering what the best butane out there is.

I remember one time I got a hold of a few cans of ronson butane.. man did it ever make some delicious looking oil like ive never seen before. its funny because I was searching, and this pretty much confirmed, that ronson butane is pretty good.

all the head shops EVER sell here is colibri/london for 6$ a can which apparently has 22% propane, where as vector has 11%, and ronson has 0%

I know that the bernz o matic stuff sucks, it stinks and has a scent in it. I imagine it would fail the mirror test.

cheap stuff NIBO is available at walmart for like 3 or 4$ a can.

Ronson can be found at canadian tire I think it is. I am going to get some tomorrow and run a few tests.

Vector Butane:
http://www.vectorkgm.com/catalog/but...r_Gas_MSDS.pdf

SECTION II- Summary of Hazards & Composition
SUBSTANCE: Butane Percent: 60.00
CAS#: 106-87-8 Synonyms: n-Butane, Tetrane
SUBSTANCE: iso-Butane Percent: 29.00
CAS#: 75-28-5 Synonyms: 2-Methylpropane, Trlmethylethane
SUBSTANCE: Propane Percent: 11.00
CAS#: 75-98-6 Synonyms: LPG, Dimethylmethane, Propylhydride
EXTREMELY FLAMMABLE! Keep away from heat, sparks and open flame.

Propane 11%??? I really couldn't believe it, so I searched Ronson to see what their Propane content, and other crappy ingredients were.

Ronson Butane:
http://www.gpsidental.com/uploads/fi...May 2000.pdf

Ingredient Name CAS No Contents Health Risk
(class) (R No.)
Butane 106 - 97 - 8 99%
Composition Comments Substances indicating a hazard do so under EC Directives 88/379 & 67/548
Aerosol classified as Flammable

Wow, 99% butane. No Propane, no ethyl mercaptans. But there's a 1% of something not listed that apparently isn't deemed hazardous, but I figured could be some kind of contaminant so I continued my search.

BernzOmatic Butane:
http://www.bernzomatic.com/Portals/8...SDS-082010.pdf

Hazardous Components

N,Butane, volume (CAS #106-97- 22%
Isobutane, volume (CAS #75-28-5) 78%

Ok, so I've found a brand that has 100% butane/isobutane and I'm nervous, but feel confident enough to maybe try it. At least get one can and do the mirror test.

But let me just look up Colibri, which used to be the 'flavor of the month' brand of tane back when BHO first started taking off and I know I could get it from a Cigar shop, but it's about 15 minutes further than the bernzO out of my way.

Colibri Butane:
http://www.action-electronics.com/msds/224.pdf

Hazardous Components (Specific Chemical Identity)
Common Name CAS# %
Butane 106-97-8 78%
Propane 74-98-6 22%

Ronson is not popular for extraction here locally and taste is usually given as the reason. Hoping you will report back, should you try some.

ive tried ronson before and loved it. those numbers confirm that its good stuff, do they not?

anyways, my gf confirmed that it was canadian tire that I got the ronson from... so today I am gonna do some tests. run 30 grams with 2 cans of ronson, and 30 grams with 2 cans of london/colibri. ill measure the return, and the colors or each. I remember ronson making a very very light colored, fully golden (not brownish dark even when clumped) oil. it might have been the bud I used, that was near 3 years ago.

so according to the MSDS... I would rate ronson #1 based on its gas contents, vector #2, and colibri #3.. not sure about bernz o matic. maybe ill stop my walmart and grab 2 cans of NIBO brand butane too.

You might also spray all three on a glass or mirror, to compare residuals.

As far as extraction, mixture of n-Butane, Isobutane, and Propane is not necessarily a bad thing, as all are low toxic and all work well.

The ones with Propane are probably not as efficient, as it is typically added as a propellant, because at low temperatures, neither of the butanes have any vapor pressure, though they will generally drain pointing straight down.

The Propane is probably mostly lost in a single pass column, as much of it will boil off first. Many of the fumes that we see coming out the discharge end of a column, before the liquid starts to flow, is probably disproportionately Propane or maybe a Butane/Propane azeotrope.

Have fun and looking forward to your results!

ok.. so went shopping this morning. spend a few bucks more than I wanted on a cool glass nail set up for my bong, nut thats a whole new thread.

and I also got some butane all cans are basically the same size... 160~ grams. the price of colibri and ronson is the same 6$ per can. nibo is less than half the price, 2.60$ per can.

Colibri: been the big name for years around here (and some forums it seems like). its all ive ever used, and all the head stores have ever sold. its supposed to be the best. the ultimate. I always believed it until the mirror test. now im wondering. I would not now how to rate its mirror test.. sure didnt do good. left a lot of shit behind. that picture was 1 minute after spraying. its been half hour and there is still residue on the mirror. not as much though ill admit.

ronson: for some reason, ya dont hear much about it.. from my experience. its made some unique, very nice oil. the MSDS for it looks very nice. and the mirror test was a 100% pass. it didnt leave ANY residue. it was so clear I didnt even bother with the picture.. just picture a perfectly clean mirror!

Nibo: cheap wal mart stuff. ive used this before in a pinch with no problems. its less than half the price of colibri. and at 2.60 a can, it did very good on the mirror test too.. within 1 minute it was at like 95% clean. after about 20 minutes the mirror was 99% clean where the nibo was sprayed. I wouldnt be scared to use it because its "cheap" butane.

reserving this post for when I make the oil later tonight.

Man I do believe I am the person boasting Ronson way better than power 5 or 7. Its the new Vector as the main similarities are ISOBUTANE. n-butane is the filler and iso be the main seperations between them and power 5 or 7, king, sun, etc. If you find an 80/20 isobutane/propane mix, its good. I use ethanol to off set the pane influence. Its real noticable when used as co-solvents in scfe. That's why I say isopropyl is bunk. I thanked gods for finally scrownging up all the money needed for ethanol and when I used it for a scfe it was then a whole other ball game. The alternative to lots of peoples common issues w bho. Where residuals left aren't an issue w ethanol, not be the case w tane. Big differences.

I want to know what exactly the mirror test is exactly?…because the differences are in the arrangements. Isobutanes a branched and n is normal. The combustion is way cleaner than normal butane and thorough. Butane leaves at LEAST 1 unburned carbon. Isobutane burns off w less residues. It doesn't yield more, but w Ronson I noticed a small 2.75 oz can yielded more than a power7 can respectively. I hate spending $10 for a can of tane, get the Ronson for $3 out the door, they are perfect for the first rinsing of an oz and I would hate using it to hit an oz the second time as it will yield only film in comparison, it is very potent lbs for lbs. It cost like $600 for a small propane size tank. n-butane is $300 for the same size.

oilmkr420 said:

I want to know what exactly the mirror test is exactly?…because the differences are in the arrangements. Isobutanes a branched and n is normal. The combustion is way cleaner than normal butane and thorough. Butane leaves at LEAST 1 unburned carbon. Isobutane burns off w less residues. It doesn't yield more, but w Ronson I noticed a small 2.75 oz can yielded more than a power7 can respectively. I hate spending $10 for a can of tane, get the Ronson for $3 out the door, they are perfect for the first rinsing of an oz and I would hate using it to hit an oz the second time as it will yield only film in comparison, it is very potent lbs for lbs. It cost like $600 for a small propane size tank. n-butane is $300 for the same size.

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The mirror test just checks for residue after the butane has evaporated, usually longer chain oleoagenous waxes.

Could you provide a source for your assumption that n-Butane doesn't burn as clean as its isomer, Isobutane?

Check out Newport or Liquid.

Sure my source is the head engineer @ advanced combustion technologies. It was this chemist who over looked this co2 project of mine, and had most of the answers to my questions and w out him this backyard co2 thing wouldn't be discovered yet. Thanks Rob for all your help and ACT for all the purchases he allowed me to put on your companies credit! So when someone w as I.Q. of like 180 is talking, you best believe I'm learning.

Can you provide your source that states n-butane does a better job than iso? Btw, a can78 grams of ronson will take care of an oz. There's nothing left to pull after that. So 2.75 grams is the same as 1 full can of power. I preached this just so sons could see I know wtf I'm talking about. Fyi this is so b-bag compared to newer methods now available. Even newbs can easily tell the difference.

Nah, tane is tane, bho is bho, nobodies stuff is better than anyone elses unless better material is used, but all the tane I ever come across got blown out the game when a better solvent was used instead. Try saving some skrilla or tax season is a great way to finally invest in the proper knowledge and equipment to give you a competetive edge over these cats who think pretty is the most important quality of an extract.

RobTheViking420 said:

Check out Newport or Liquid.

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No doubt. In the end you get out what you put in and no solvent will change that. I have plenty of equipment already.

oilmkr420 said:

Sure my source is the head engineer @ advanced combustion technologies. It was this chemist who over looked this co2 project of mine, and had most of the answers to my questions and w out him this backyard co2 thing wouldn't be discovered yet. Thanks Rob for all your help and ACT for all the purchases he allowed me to put on your companies credit! So when someone w as I.Q. of like 180 is talking, you best believe I'm learning.

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Did he explain why he believes that that might be so? There is nothing intuitive in their molecular structure, that would cause that to be so.


My IQ isn't 180, but before retirement I spent time in think tanks with the brightest for a Fortune 500 aerospace company, and trust me when I say that they sometimes were damn sure of things that weren't so. We generally salute the adage that exceptional claims, beg exceptional proof, and I personally look forward to better understanding his hypothesis.

vacpurge said:

reserving this post for when I make the oil later tonight.

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hey! so hows that test going???

never heard of NIBO.. sounds interesting.... what are the results??????

@ $35 a box out the door, nothing beats this deal. Isobutane content about 24%, its got the same amount of kick as a 10oz can of any n-butane out there. King, sun, both powers 5 & 7, etc. This was just an example to show that I, co2xtractr knows wtf I'm talking about.

My homie specializes in seperating water in to their gasous phases. Hydrogen and oxygen. Why the hell would I take anyones advice or his? He specializes in combustion and is an engineer in that field. He can convert gasoline into either isobutane, butane, propane, or ethanol. You can even drink the ethanol. So if anyone feels like they are more deserving of an ear, now would be a great time to make any points. So go research an area that's in the dark ages while I continue advancing the sport in supercritical fluids.

Not new science bro! We routinely separated the hydrogen and oxygen in industry using commercial electrolosis equipment and then burned them in small torches.


Not trying to discredit your source, only uncover the science behind the jewels he shares. Perhaps you might ask him point blank why he believes that n-Butane doesn't burn completely, while Isobutane does, and share that with us.

Fadedawg, I wanna get a set up, can u guide me in the right way?!