Using superthrive during flowering ?

Hello, my plants have suffered a minor spidermite infestation and have now gotten rid of them all, I was thinking of using a mix of superthrive in my normal watering solution just once as a revival for the plants, I know this is considered bad but I heard that all it really does Is prolong the flowering cycle, I'm a bit more than halfway thru with only 3 weeks flowering left, how much time do you think using it will add?

Back in the days when I used superthrive I used it in flower a few times and saw no noticeable difference. If you think thats what they need then give it to them. BudCandy has a lot of the same b-vitamins and stuff as superthrive and people use that all the time. Not me though, Im a purist.

not during flower the hormones can stunt flowering growth. try using seaweed extract instead. it has hormones too but is more geared towards flowering.

Dank Raptor said:

Back in the days when I used superthrive I used it in flower a few times and saw no noticeable difference. If you think thats what they need then give it to them. BudCandy has a lot of the same b-vitamins and stuff as superthrive and people use that all the time. Not me though, Im a purist.

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Funny that you would mention that, I am using budcandy soon, I have to get it from my house.

Its not that its bad or anything. Great product.. I just think it changes the natural way a strain smells and tastes which is appealing in fruitier strains but right now I am liking Molasses better for Earthier Kush strains.

i does make it fruitier but it also will take much longer to ripen. i noticed this too if you can find a good in between with it it can work wonders but like i said it will stunt flowering growth regardless because it contains NAA an auxin. now if you want the B1 vitamins you can buy pure B1 with out PGRS at a health store or from the hydro shop. it probably is what bud candy is but it does not contain hormones.

i started using super thrive several months ago
i use 3 ml per gallon of water
EVERY gallon of water
no noticeable difference in length of flower or quality of bud
only thing i notice is my roots filled my tubs faster in cloning situations
not even sure why i use it really
but - no - i've never seen anything but a light leak actually "slow" flowering
heat will make lighter airier buds
just my experience

HomeGrownCheeba said:

Hello, my plants have suffered a minor spidermite infestation and have now gotten rid of them all, I was thinking of using a mix of superthrive in my normal watering solution just once as a revival for the plants, I know this is considered bad but I heard that all it really does Is prolong the flowering cycle, I'm a bit more than halfway thru with only 3 weeks flowering left, how much time do you think using it will add?

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Superthrive is toxic no matter when you use it. There are several threads on this forum that address ST and what is it and what it does.

jessy koons said:

Superthrive is toxic no matter when you use it. There are several threads on this forum that address ST and what is it and what it does.

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that's kinda bold and contrary to my experience
there's all kinds of threads around here about all kinds of bullshit i ignore regularly
here is the finding of a fella that will tell you that just about EVERYTHING is "snake oil"

https://www.rollitup.org/nutrients/294633-superthrive-superjive.html

the shit works
certainly does no harm

do your own research

shagalicious said:

that's kinda bold and contrary to my experience
there's all kinds of threads around here about all kinds of bullshit i ignore regularly
here is the finding of a fella that will tell you that just about EVERYTHING is "snake oil"

https://www.rollitup.org/nutrients/294633-superthrive-superjive.html

the shit works
certainly does no harm

do your own research

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I have done a whole lot of my own research. The shit works and is toxic, those aspects of ST are not mutually exclusive. I would recommend that you read the info on the link the superjive offers. There are many myths that are alive and well in the horticultural community, and they are more deeply imbedded in the cannabis community because so few cannabis gardeners have any plant experience other than cannabis.

When you say 'toxic' you really need to elaborate. What is toxic about it? Toxic in what respect, toxic to what\whom - to plants, to people?

It's just vitamins and plant hormones, like naphthalene acetic acid which is a synthetic auxin. Synthetic doesn't necessarily mean bad. The only naturally occurring auxin is indole-3-acetic acid and that is what is in a lot of rooting gels, powders and solutions. NAA is just more stable chemically and less expensive to produce, but affects plants in the same way IAA would.

The thing about ST is that is highly concentrated. It should only be used at a rate of 1 ml per gallon, or a drop or two in a cupful of water. I only use it for rooting clones some times and that's it.

For natural PGRs and hormones you can use chopped kelp, or a cold-pressed liquid like Maxicrop or an extract like BioWeed.

Thank you Nullis for your thoughtful response. First I would like to praise your signature, Tool rocks. I cannot give you a full response as I am going out very soon but I will reply in full by tomorrow morning. I can say immediatly that your use of ST is a much more sensible use than is most often suggested here on RUI. Maxicrop will give very satisfying results as an alternative to isolated plant hormone solutions, whether synthetic or naturally occurring. I'll be back.

I only use ST one drop per gallon mixed with my clone X in clones and 1 drop per gallon added to my normal veg notes whenever I transplant. I would be interested to see results used in flowering.

why add super thrive to your clone water? when you can buy hormex for about the same price as the 2 iems individually hormex is the shit for cloning. clonex sucks because it only uses IBA. superthrive is only useful in veg i use it a drop per pot maybe once every 2 weeks.

lol synthetic hormones are toxic, you dont know what you have been eating do you?

K so I guess I will just use budcandy instead? I don't neccesarily want to shorten the flowering period, and I dont want to fuck my shit up, I will use it with my clones and all, what a waste of money D:

any other suggestions for recovering from spidermites?

I bought an industrial sized fan and built a table with a screen top(allowing air to go thru the table) and a wooden frame, I have my plants suspended on this and underneath it are all of my fans, this increases my air flow since there is a hole deliberately cut at the top of my box on the side wall, this way I dont need inline fans for intake/outtake. I only need a carbon filter, this also reduces the chance of spidermites ive heard

polyarcturus said:

why add super thrive to your clone water? when you can buy hormex for about the same price as the 2 iems individually hormex is the shit for cloning. clonex sucks because it only uses IBA. superthrive is only useful in veg i use it a drop per pot maybe once every 2 weeks.

lol synthetic hormones are toxic, you dont know what you have been eating do you?

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Because a bottle lasts 2 years and that's what I have!!

jessy koons said:

Superthrive is toxic no matter when you use it. There are several threads on this forum that address ST and what is it and what it does.

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Only to humans, my friend This stuff works - when used right.

Snake oil

xtsho said:

Snake oil

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Yes... total snake oil- thousands upon thousands of satisfied customers are all just IMAGINING that it works! Lol
Dude... it was entered into the worlds fair and WON for God's sake. Try doing some actual research before spouting BS and making a total fool out of yourself, mmmkay?

kristoffolese said:

Yes... total snake oil- thousands upon thousands of satisfied customers are all just IMAGINING that it works! Lol
Dude... it was entered into the worlds fair and WON for God's sake. Try doing some actual research before spouting BS and making a total fool out of yourself, mmmkay?

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I'm not spouting BS or making a fool of myself. It's snake oil. You need to learn about the placebo effect. Thousands of people take sugar pills during drug studies and claim that the pills actually are benefiting them. Same thing goes with unnecessary plant supplements. People want to believe they work so that is what they perceive as happening. The fact that it won an award at the worlds fair in 1940 is meaningless.
It's snake oil plain and simple. I've done plenty of research regarding it.
Thanks for replying to my post in such a mature manner but I'll take the scientific work of someone with a Ph.D ,decades worth of research, and a best selling book over the opinion of some kid that's grown a couple cannabis plants/weeds.

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• 2005-2007: WSU Master Gardener Program Curriculum Director
• 1997-2004 Associate Professor of Plant Physiology and Landscape Management, College of Forest Resources, University of Washington
• 1989-1997: Assistant Professor (Associate 1995), Plant Physiology, Department of Biology, SUNY College at Buffalo
• Education
  • Ph.D. 1988, Horticulture (double minor in Biochemistry and Botany), Oregon State University. Thesis title: Relationships between Endogenous Phenolic Compounds of Rhododendron Tissues and Organs and Cold Hardiness Development
  • M.S. 1981, Biological Sciences, Oregon State University. Thesis title: Sensitivity of the Marine Copepod Tigriopus californicus to Ultraviolet-B (290-320 nm) Radiation
  • B.S. 1978, Biological Sciences, Oregon State University
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  • Certified Arborist, International Society of Arboriculture
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