tusseltussel
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wait your telling me the second node is the second node and the first node is the first woa....mind blown....j/k
Uncle Ben's Topping Technique to Get 2 or 4 Main Colas
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halliemeadows
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VTMi'kmaq
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So here they be afetr my first time trying the topping technique, albeit alittle late on a few of them. Anyone in the community have any idea how i can gauge there dominant genetics? These were random bag beans, i have noticed the fat fans-indica dom? Just wanted to ask, this method seems to be verywell suited to my garden too bad it took me so long to discover it.
dam.... im in week 3 of veg. and it's got quite a few nodes. so if i top at the very top right above the last fully develop node, which will be maybe 5 nodes high, will that be a bad thing? does ALL of the other nodes start acting like tops? which will then lower the yield since there is too many nodes? i always thought that topping would make ONLY the bottom 2 nodes right below the topped area become the main leaders. is that not true? i want to go into flowering maybe 7-10 days from today, and i have not topped yet. will topping still help and give me 2 main colas even though there are 5-8 nodes?
also, if ALL the branches become leaders, would it stop some of the branches from becoming leaders if i supercrop those side branches? and just leave the top 2 branches so they will act as leaders.
-i gotta go through a few trial and error to be good at this... i just supercropped 2 of them last night. honestly dont know what it has done and what should be done now...
also, if ALL the branches become leaders, would it stop some of the branches from becoming leaders if i supercrop those side branches? and just leave the top 2 branches so they will act as leaders.
-i gotta go through a few trial and error to be good at this... i just supercropped 2 of them last night. honestly dont know what it has done and what should be done now...
skitzo
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You can do this typing techniques at the fifth of sixth node I believe. I told a friend he only got 3 instead of 4. If you top now I believe it is recommended to washout 14 days to flower so the plant recovers...I think that's correct
tusseltussel
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how many nodes you got you may end up without any leaders if you have too many tops unless thats what you want. just top it and see you will learn how the plant grows I top at the 4th node and then again a week later on the next node downs branches but I grow a bunch of smaller tops per plant. If you want a 4 big tops do what uncle ben says they will have bigger colas with fewer of them and smaller with more. bigger colas have bigger stems but are less work to trim, smaller colas have smaller stems and are alot more work to trim becase you have like a milion of them(obvious exageration) more like 8-10 tops keep em even
theres actually over 10 lateral branches. if i top it now, all the nutes will evenly spread out to all the branches correct? so it wont do much since there are so many branches. what methods should i use to get big multiple colas? also, im gonna wait for 2-3 weeks till i flower it now. so what methods can i do within these weeks? i tried supercropping the ones that i supercropped a few days ago. but the stem is too tough to bend. i think i need to understand the meaning of supercropping, cuz im still puzzled. i dont see a difference after my first supercrop, which was 4 days ago.
another question. when topping, all the nutes evenly distribute among the branches. does LST or supercropping does the same? and does it stay that way or when after the main stem heals, will it hog most of the nutes again?
another question. when topping, all the nutes evenly distribute among the branches. does LST or supercropping does the same? and does it stay that way or when after the main stem heals, will it hog most of the nutes again?
SetMeFreeAgain
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Thanks for the knowledge! Here's my plants using this technique. 
I topped them between nodes 2 and 3 when they had about 5-6 nodes.
I topped them between nodes 2 and 3 when they had about 5-6 nodes.
Uncle Ben
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Nice job!...Thanks for the knowledge! Here's my plants using this technique.
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Hi All. Kudos to UB et all for this thread. Tried it on a plant on my last grow and it worked great. I know that the answer that I am looking for is probably buried somewhere in this thread but I can not seem to find the answer. After you top between the sec and third and you root this clone what is then considered the sec and third node on the newly rooted clone. thanks in advance for any help
tusseltussel
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I'm no magician but the 2 nd and 3 rd node are the second and third node.....its just the cotyledons that don't count...a clones first node is a true node
i read a book called "Growing Elite Marijuana", and it said that you can get up to about 4 tops. does it mean u cant get more than 4? if topped above the 5th or whatever nodes high, wont all the bottom lateral branches become tops? is 4 the max? cuz im thinking bout topping after the 7th node to get 7 tops. 4 tops is too less. or do i have to make the max 4 tops(if that's the only way), then top again to get the number of tops i want?
tusseltussel
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well funny you should ask.... some strains yo might get away with it I have in the past toped a the second then toped the branches coming from the 1st node and 2 new tops a couple weeks lateer with good results but every strain will respond diffrntly to this because there is a lot going on there you might end up with a lot of tops but reeally uneven look into the mainlining thread over in subcools world https://www.rollitup.org/subcools-old-school-organics/542308-main-lining-thread.html
from what i understand 4 colas is the max you want because the resources split between those 4 and once you go past that you are splitting up the resources too much making an over all less productive plant.
i could be wrong.
i have 10 plants right now using this technique 2 with 2 colas 4 with 4 and 3 cut at nodes higher to see what happens, 3rd week of flowering now and the 2 cola and 4 have great big stalks at their base while the others have half the size but seem to be much more busy. i think i am going to need alot of string to hold them up soon.
also 1 plant nothing done to it its stalk is on par with the 2/4 cola topped not as bushy as the rest for sure
i could be wrong.
i have 10 plants right now using this technique 2 with 2 colas 4 with 4 and 3 cut at nodes higher to see what happens, 3rd week of flowering now and the 2 cola and 4 have great big stalks at their base while the others have half the size but seem to be much more busy. i think i am going to need alot of string to hold them up soon.
also 1 plant nothing done to it its stalk is on par with the 2/4 cola topped not as bushy as the rest for sure
doogleef
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It's all about hormones and the stem/root structure. For examples of this on crack check out the mainlining thread referenced above. Nugs has taken bonsia tree techniques and really pushed the MJ training thing to a cool place.
Props to UB too as this has helped intro tons of people to the technique of topping
Props to UB too as this has helped intro tons of people to the technique of topping
SetMeFreeAgain
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Are plants in nature less productive because they have more than 4 colas? ...
but ive been seeing videos on youtube and they have a huge number of tops and all of them are really big.
so for your other plants that are topped higher, are all the lateral branches acting as tops? also, when did you topped your 4 colas plant? at what week or what height?
tusseltussel
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again I am no magician but I will take a crack at it. nature.... you mean outdoors under the sun right.....vs. indoor under a light.... to get the most out of a horizntal light it is best to have an evan canopy but you know that right...... under the sun you don't really have to worry about that because the sunlight surrounds the plant rather than beaming streight down on it. Ithink maybe this is aimed at a shorter veg time and increased yeild withh less light than the sun. if you were to veg a plant for 3 months and had enough light indoors to cover it you coul probably grow mad huge tops...If I am wrong someone please correct meAre plants in nature less productive because they have more than 4 colas? ...
Uncle Ben
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In my first post of this thread I said: This is an indoor shot just prior to harvest showing the colas bulking up quite nicely. Notice how the weight of the heavy colas is naturally pulling them apart, which opens the plant up so that light can penetrate the interior of the canopy. This is the same principle used by fruit orchard managers who create an open vase profile for their trees in order to increase production. This profile also has a side benefit of providing good interior air movement which reduces fungal/rot pressures.
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