Uncle Ben's Gardening Tweeks and Pointers

lilroach said:

Ok.....cola weight vs. "loosing weight" because of pop-corn buds? Is it your contention that cola's gain when one rids a plant of popcorn bearing branches?

Can you show me where this applies to this plant:

I know I've shown this plant often, but it's a prime example of a plant that hasn't had any trimming at all. I had a shit-load of pop-corn buds below the canopy. Yield of the 2 colas dry......4.75 ounces...overall yield 7.75 ounces.

Not record breaking by any means but proof that one doesn't have to ditch perfectly good branches to increase cola production.

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If I had room to grow without any concern of space, and time, I would not worry about it. So, I don't think we ever need to argue or debate. I don't do that in real life. Too contentious, too passionate. I perform my actions that I consider right at the time and I will never attempt to defend the choice. So, if only I can see my bed of Roses, life choices, so what?

So, perfectly good branches. Prune or don't prune? What about obviously inferior branches? What about bud density?

What about those tiny little secondaries that have a 1/2 fingernail nub and call that a bloom? What about light penetration and less shading for most big fans?

The real problem with RIU and the reason Ben gets sick of it, is all this challenge and defense. Most people come here and think this is proper debate. NO WAY. Debate has rules. Debate has technique and training in retoric to sway opinion. Debate has judges and time limits.

Teen age spout off, and grab ass, is not even debate and no where near adult discussion.

lilroach said:

.... one doesn't have to ditch perfectly good branches to increase cola production.

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Well, you just aint RIU bonafide!

BTW, LL, you hand looks pretty dirty. Are you perhaps a gardener?

Nice tree. How long did you veg that? Very impressive, btw.

Uncle Ben said:

Well, you just aint RIU bonafide!

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Any club that would have us, we do not wish to join.

Uncle Ben said:

Most if not all commercial fruit growers drop about 40% of the fruit at marble size mainly for marketing purposes - to promote size, "sex appeal". They also prune during the dormant season. Those field techniques really doesn't apply to cannabis. BUT, botany is botany. Any time you remove branches you reduce overall yield on cannabis.

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Well, I seem to know so much that just is not so, about cannabis. Those apple guys don't help. They have their own myth and lore.

I guess I was thinking apple product, juice and sauce. The small stuff has more pit and peel ratio. Maybe harder to process the little ones, too.

Uncle Ben said:

Sorry, I don't have the equipment to measure but Mel Frank reported lab results, even noted males can be more potent than females. Get his book.

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Ya know, that's interesting, about the males. I have a rather obscure book simply titled, Growing Marijuana by some author that chooses not to use his real name. In that book are some of the most common misnomers about cultivating Cannabis that I've learned to ignore. Something in the book that caught my eye was a statement claiming males can be as potent if not more potent than the female during a short period of it's life. I almost laughed it off and actually thought to myself while reading, 'What would UB think about that statement?' Well, I guess I have my answer. I guess it's all in the timing of harvest of the male when its at it's peak of THC production. It made me think of all the times I've read on these forums how growers discover they have a male amongst them and instantly chop the sucker down. What a waste of potentially good smoke. I wonder how many growers actually think the male is good for nothing but pollination. I was one of those growers but now I have a different view. Okay, the bud may not be as sexy in a bag for sale but I'm not proud, I'll smoke me some male bud!

Doer said:

If I had room to grow without any concern of space, and time, I would not worry about it. So, I don't think we ever need to argue or debate. I don't do that in real life. Too contentious, too passionate. I perform my actions that I consider right at the time and I will never attempt to defend the choice. So, if only I can see my bed of Roses, life choices, so what?

So, perfectly good branches. Prune or don't prune? What about obviously inferior branches? What about bud density?

What about those tiny little secondaries that have a 1/2 fingernail nub and call that a bloom? What about light penetration and less shading for most big fans?

The real problem with RIU and the reason Ben gets sick of it, is all this challenge and defense. Most people come here and think this is proper debate. NO WAY. Debate has rules. Debate has technique and training in retoric to sway opinion. Debate has judges and time limits.

Teen age spout off, and grab ass, is not even debate and no where near adult discussion.

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I'm not sure what you're getting at in regards to my plant. The lower leaves and buds under the canopy were green and lush even though they did not get direct sunlight.

Here's a pic of the stump of this plant:



As you can see there's a bunch of buds and branches that never saw direct light the entire 12/12. These suckers were the stickiest dense buds I've seen that low in a plant. If direct lighting was required for growth or just to stay alive, these would have been dead long ago.

lilroach said:

I'm not sure what you're getting at in regards to my plant. The lower leaves and buds under the canopy were green and lush even though they did not get direct sunlight.

Here's a pic of the stump of this plant:

As you can see there's a bunch of buds and branches that never saw direct light the entire 12/12. These suckers were the stickiest dense buds I've seen that low in a plant. If direct lighting was required for growth or just to stay alive, these would have been dead long ago.

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maybe its the pic, but those lowers look like they have another 4 weeks to finish up. and the mids and the tops of your plant looked absolutely amazing.

lilroach said:

I'm not sure what you're getting at in regards to my plant. These suckers were the stickiest dense buds I've seen that low in a plant. If direct lighting was required for growth or just to stay alive, these would have been dead long ago.

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I'm not getting at anything, but I have wondered before now, why do you feel so easily criticized with just these photons bouncing on your eyes? But, that is not my business.

And I am of the mind that sticky density doesn't tell me much. I look with my microscope at the tricomes.

And since you mention that, no one said "for growth or to just stay alive." No where near the discussion.

And I have continued with the lighting after I had harvested the like you may do here, I think I see the lower buds, now more well lighted, are finishing maturing. I just have never seen it, that all buds, mature equally from top to bottom. But, I am not outdoor or use side lights, either.

And, I don't have the time. I need to harvest it and I have more a month behind.

a mongo frog said:

maybe its the pic, but those lowers look like they have another 4 weeks to finish up. and the mids and the tops of your plant looked absolutely amazing.

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The point I was trying to make is that they ARE there even though they barely saw any light at all. This would indicate that not all parts of a plant need light to grow and flourish, and the "need" to prune to get light down to the bottom of the plant....in my opinion is an incorrect practice that takes away from a plant's ability to grow to its maximum potential.

I chopped these little suckers and can say they were very potent.

I'm sorry if I took this thread in the wrong direction.....there are times I forget which thread I'm posting on.

I've seen the same thing on my outdoor grows, little pop-corn buds at the very bottom of the plant still nice and green just not as mature. My last two indoor grows showed similar results since I don't prune anything indoors either. The indoor pop-corns were green but pretty far behind schedule with the rest of the plant. On both those plants it was as easy as harvesting the tops cleaning out the crap on top and allowing the little pop-corns to mature. The bud is just as good but not as large. I don't sell so it just means more bud for me. I can definitely see where large-scale operations simply don't have time to mess with it but why cut it off? Save the time and just let it be unless you're cramped for space. When it's all said and done, the popcorns make for some nice hash material.

lilroach said:

I'm sorry if I took this thread in the wrong direction.....there are times I forget which thread I'm posting on.

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I refer you to your own avatar.

Rocketman64 said:

I've seen the same thing on my outdoor grows, little pop-corn buds at the very bottom of the plant still nice and green just not as mature. My last two indoor grows showed similar results since I don't prune anything indoors either. The indoor pop-corns were green but pretty far behind schedule with the rest of the plant. On both those plants it was as easy as harvesting the tops cleaning out the crap on top and allowing the little pop-corns to mature. The bud is just as good but not as large. I don't sell so it just means more bud for me. I can definitely see where large-scale operations simply don't have time to mess with it but why cut it off? Save the time and just let it be unless you're cramped for space. When it's all said and done, the popcorns make for some nice hash material.

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Yeah, when I get to the stage where I can produce enough just for me, the rest will go into hash, just for me.

I'm trying this dominate branch business, only for one reason. (now that I was set straight about the apple question, by Ben)

I see my idea now as equalizing the maturity as well as the curing process. All the buds on less branches. All branches long and out into the light.

We'll see. But, Ben, can you please address this by referencing your Sticky Thread about multiple cola tops?

If you have new thinking? Do you? Or do I still have old confusions? Perhaps it is still the idea of the more tops the better? But, they can be sub and sub sub branch bracts? All the same?

Rocketman64 said:

I've seen the same thing on my outdoor grows, little pop-corn buds at the very bottom of the plant still nice and green just not as mature. My last two indoor grows showed similar results since I don't prune anything indoors either. The indoor pop-corns were green but pretty far behind schedule with the rest of the plant. On both those plants it was as easy as harvesting the tops cleaning out the crap on top and allowing the little pop-corns to mature. The bud is just as good but not as large. I don't sell so it just means more bud for me. I can definitely see where large-scale operations simply don't have time to mess with it but why cut it off? Save the time and just let it be unless you're cramped for space. When it's all said and done, the popcorns make for some nice hash material.

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Exactly, perpetual growers rely on set schedules and doing a double harvest is not as cost efficient as removing the entire plant and throwing the fluff into the edible bin or hash bin. Double harvests are great if you dont have other plants waiting to flower.

I am really hoping that yall can help me with this. I am growing 12/12 from seed. Girls have been flowering for about a week and a half. Dinafem California hash plant with a few other strains, in pro-mix BX and FF ocean forest, 1:1 ratio, under an Eye-Hortilux 1000w dual arc. Using only Dyna-gro foliage pro so far 2.5 ml per gallon every three to four days. Temps had been as high as 85 while running the light @ 1000w. Thought perhaps it may have been light or heat stress so I have been running the light @ 750w today which brought temps down to 78. Lights out temps around 70 with a one night drop to about 58. Humidity has been between 35 and 45%. Plenty of air movement/exchange. I water when pots feel light to the lift with roughly 70 degree water pHed to 7.

Also, I have read this entire thread. And thank you in advance for any help.

Well, as I understand it the only reason for seedless is you can't smoke seeds. So, buying black market weight for seeds and stems, got competition. No seeds and stems.

I am no longer sure that all that extra sexuality seeking resin is anything but lore. I got interested in landrace strains and how to hand roll hash.

Well, it seems to be historically, you rub it and get the meds on your hands to form a hash ball, and the seeds on the ground for next year. That is why it is landrace, I think.We are not the only critters that spread the seed, just the most effective ones.

OTH, the males have a serious dip in potency at a certain point. From the UN, so I guess they put some study in.

Hey Ping. I think you forgot to ask your question. I don't see the problem you seem to be taking about.

Doer said:

Yeah, when I get to the stage where I can produce enough just for me, the rest will go into hash, just for me.

I'm trying this dominate branch business, only for one reason. (now that I was set straight about the apple question, by Ben)

I see my idea now as equalizing the maturity as well as the curing process. All the buds on less branches. All branches long and out into the light.

We'll see. But, Ben, can you please address this by referencing your Sticky Thread about multiple cola tops?

If you have new thinking? Do you? Or do I still have old confusions? Perhaps it is still the idea of the more tops the better? But, they can be sub and sub sub branch bracts? All the same?

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nice to see you talking about plants instead of the normal shite your prattle on about lol