U.S. Paychecks Grow at Record-Slow Pace

Padawanbater2

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"WASHINGTON — U.S. wages and benefits grew in the spring at the slowest pace in 33 years, stark evidence that stronger hiring isn't lifting paychecks much for most Americans. The slowdown also likely reflects a sharp drop-off in bonus and incentive pay for some workers.

The employment cost index rose just 0.2 percent in the April-June quarter after a 0.7 increase in the first quarter, the Labor Department said Friday. The index tracks wages, salaries and benefits. Wages and salaries alone also rose 0.2 percent.

Both measures recorded the smallest quarterly gains since the second quarter of 1982.

(Late 70's, early 80's... what a weird coincidence...)

Salaries and benefits for private sector workers were unchanged, the weakest showing since the government began tracking the data in 1980.

The disappointing figures come after the index had been pointing to a pickup in wage growth after nearly two years of steady hiring. The index rose just 2 percent in the second quarter compared with a year earlier. That is down from a 2.6 percent increase in the first quarter, which was the biggest in six and a half years.

The slowdown suggests that companies are still able to find the workers they need without boosting pay, a sign the job market is not yet back to full health. That could cause some Federal Reserve officials to push for a delay in any increase in the short-term interest rate they control.

"Despite a tighter labor market, and all of the stories about pay increases at various large firms, wage growth is not picking up meaningfully," said Jennifer Lee, an economist at BMO Capital Markets. "This may not sit well with (Fed) policymakers."

Employers have added nearly 3 million jobs in the past year, lowering the unemployment rate to 5.3 percent in June, down from 6.1 percent 12 months earlier. Most economists have expected those gains to force businesses to raise pay to attract and keep employees.

The Federal Reserve watches the employment cost index closely for signs that healthy hiring is pushing up wages. Strong increases could lead companies to raise prices for their goods to cover higher labor costs, boosting inflation. That would make the Fed more likely to raise the short-term interest rate it controls. Consumer prices have been tame in the past year, though in recent months they have moved higher.

In some occupations where bonuses are common, compensation fell sharply after spiking in the first quarter. Those include sales, professional services such as law and accounting, and management.

The employment cost index figures now match the sluggish pace of growth reported in the average hourly pay data that's part of the monthly jobs report. Average hourly wages were up just 2 percent in June from a year earlier, the Labor Department said earlier this month.

Yet another measure of pay, compiled by the Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta, shows wages are accelerating. Hourly pay for a typical employee rose 3.2 percent in June from 12 months earlier, according to the Atlanta Fed. While that is double the annual pace of 1.6 percent in February 2010, it is still below the pre-recession levels of about 4 percent."

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2015/07/31/us/politics/ap-us-employments-costs.html?WT.mc_id=SmartBriefs-Newsletter&WT.mc_ev=click
 

Red1966

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"WASHINGTON — U.S. wages and benefits grew in the spring at the slowest pace in 33 years, stark evidence that stronger hiring isn't lifting paychecks much for most Americans. The slowdown also likely reflects a sharp drop-off in bonus and incentive pay for some workers.

The employment cost index rose just 0.2 percent in the April-June quarter after a 0.7 increase in the first quarter, the Labor Department said Friday. The index tracks wages, salaries and benefits. Wages and salaries alone also rose 0.2 percent.

Both measures recorded the smallest quarterly gains since the second quarter of 1982.

(Late 70's, early 80's... what a weird coincidence...)

Salaries and benefits for private sector workers were unchanged, the weakest showing since the government began tracking the data in 1980.

The disappointing figures come after the index had been pointing to a pickup in wage growth after nearly two years of steady hiring. The index rose just 2 percent in the second quarter compared with a year earlier. That is down from a 2.6 percent increase in the first quarter, which was the biggest in six and a half years.

The slowdown suggests that companies are still able to find the workers they need without boosting pay, a sign the job market is not yet back to full health. That could cause some Federal Reserve officials to push for a delay in any increase in the short-term interest rate they control.

"Despite a tighter labor market, and all of the stories about pay increases at various large firms, wage growth is not picking up meaningfully," said Jennifer Lee, an economist at BMO Capital Markets. "This may not sit well with (Fed) policymakers."

Employers have added nearly 3 million jobs in the past year, lowering the unemployment rate to 5.3 percent in June, down from 6.1 percent 12 months earlier. Most economists have expected those gains to force businesses to raise pay to attract and keep employees.

The Federal Reserve watches the employment cost index closely for signs that healthy hiring is pushing up wages. Strong increases could lead companies to raise prices for their goods to cover higher labor costs, boosting inflation. That would make the Fed more likely to raise the short-term interest rate it controls. Consumer prices have been tame in the past year, though in recent months they have moved higher.

In some occupations where bonuses are common, compensation fell sharply after spiking in the first quarter. Those include sales, professional services such as law and accounting, and management.

The employment cost index figures now match the sluggish pace of growth reported in the average hourly pay data that's part of the monthly jobs report. Average hourly wages were up just 2 percent in June from a year earlier, the Labor Department said earlier this month.

Yet another measure of pay, compiled by the Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta, shows wages are accelerating. Hourly pay for a typical employee rose 3.2 percent in June from 12 months earlier, according to the Atlanta Fed. While that is double the annual pace of 1.6 percent in February 2010, it is still below the pre-recession levels of about 4 percent."

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2015/07/31/us/politics/ap-us-employments-costs.html?WT.mc_id=SmartBriefs-Newsletter&WT.mc_ev=click
THANKS, OBAMA!
 

Darth Vapour

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lol seriously lets see here what does USA really make ?? other then trouble .... Everyone is crying cause corporate profits are going up yet average persons wages have not .. what ever happened to living the Dream ???
I mean what stopped you from being in the position of them corporate people remember you could of been anything you wanted to be..
So now these people that came up with a business plan are the evil ?? and you that didn't do his homework and build a empire are crying foul play ..
The Government has known for a long time that USA is living on borrowed time Your bankrupt ,, Government knows it Don't you ???? you cannot keep washing everyone else s laundry its like people keep shaking there portfolio thinking there going to make more money WAKE UP call there never was any money to begin with...

Most students see there is no money in trades shit there is not many , No wonder most students now see that becoming a lawyer is where money is at
You know sue the remaining companies that call USA Home ..
the sooner people realize that they need to get the hell out of USA the better it will be for them and there families
Sure the Government can sugar coat employment and feed you on growth when in fact all you need to do is look around your house look at your clothes where was it made you will have probably 90 percent of all your items made from anyother country
And you need to ask your self why is wages or work hard to come by ??? hahaha get your heads out of your ass and wake up
 

nitro harley

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"WASHINGTON — U.S. wages and benefits grew in the spring at the slowest pace in 33 years, stark evidence that stronger hiring isn't lifting paychecks much for most Americans. The slowdown also likely reflects a sharp drop-off in bonus and incentive pay for some workers.

The employment cost index rose just 0.2 percent in the April-June quarter after a 0.7 increase in the first quarter, the Labor Department said Friday. The index tracks wages, salaries and benefits. Wages and salaries alone also rose 0.2 percent.

Both measures recorded the smallest quarterly gains since the second quarter of 1982.

(Late 70's, early 80's... what a weird coincidence...)

Salaries and benefits for private sector workers were unchanged, the weakest showing since the government began tracking the data in 1980.

The disappointing figures come after the index had been pointing to a pickup in wage growth after nearly two years of steady hiring. The index rose just 2 percent in the second quarter compared with a year earlier. That is down from a 2.6 percent increase in the first quarter, which was the biggest in six and a half years.

The slowdown suggests that companies are still able to find the workers they need without boosting pay, a sign the job market is not yet back to full health. That could cause some Federal Reserve officials to push for a delay in any increase in the short-term interest rate they control.

"Despite a tighter labor market, and all of the stories about pay increases at various large firms, wage growth is not picking up meaningfully," said Jennifer Lee, an economist at BMO Capital Markets. "This may not sit well with (Fed) policymakers."

Employers have added nearly 3 million jobs in the past year, lowering the unemployment rate to 5.3 percent in June, down from 6.1 percent 12 months earlier. Most economists have expected those gains to force businesses to raise pay to attract and keep employees.

The Federal Reserve watches the employment cost index closely for signs that healthy hiring is pushing up wages. Strong increases could lead companies to raise prices for their goods to cover higher labor costs, boosting inflation. That would make the Fed more likely to raise the short-term interest rate it controls. Consumer prices have been tame in the past year, though in recent months they have moved higher.

In some occupations where bonuses are common, compensation fell sharply after spiking in the first quarter. Those include sales, professional services such as law and accounting, and management.

The employment cost index figures now match the sluggish pace of growth reported in the average hourly pay data that's part of the monthly jobs report. Average hourly wages were up just 2 percent in June from a year earlier, the Labor Department said earlier this month.

Yet another measure of pay, compiled by the Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta, shows wages are accelerating. Hourly pay for a typical employee rose 3.2 percent in June from 12 months earlier, according to the Atlanta Fed. While that is double the annual pace of 1.6 percent in February 2010, it is still below the pre-recession levels of about 4 percent."

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2015/07/31/us/politics/ap-us-employments-costs.html?WT.mc_id=SmartBriefs-Newsletter&WT.mc_ev=click
My advice to you is to stock up on dried goods and ammo before it is to late.
 

ttystikk

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Sooooo... what happens if the trend is reversed? Some say panic, others say inflation and stagnation like the Carter years.

@Padawanbater2 I'm interested in your take on the consequences of a big reversal of the ultra wealthy's fortunes in favor of a substantial increase in the middle class's earnings?
 

Padawanbater2

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Sooooo... what happens if the trend is reversed? Some say panic, others say inflation and stagnation like the Carter years.

@Padawanbater2 I'm interested in your take on the consequences of a big reversal of the ultra wealthy's fortunes in favor of a substantial increase in the middle class's earnings?
Lot's of conservatives bitching about and blaming poor people and government subsidies and immigration while the poor and middle classes incomes rise. Here's a good clip that details the consequences in the market in regards to inflation;


The idea that increasing wages will cause the sky to fall is total conservative horse shit. Prices will likely slightly rise, but will be significantly less than what republican talking points claim and much less than the offset by higher wages. The key point is that instead of a tiny fraction of people with rising incomes like we see today who put it in offshore bank accounts we can't tax and buy politicians, a much larger portion of the population's income will rise stimulating the economy because they'll spend much of it to buy goods/services here in America

Our economy is consumer based, that means with more people spending, it gets stronger. When the overwhelming majority of income goes to the top 0.1%, those people that would normally spend and stimulate the economy can't because they can't afford it.

Check out this clip, it does a very good job of explaining the kind of economic system that would be the most effective, a blend between the classical and Keynesian model;


 

ttystikk

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This is not a tough concept; higher paychecks means more customers for goods and services means happy business means happy economy... which is real, actual broad economic growth that benefits everyone instead of just a tiny few.
 
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Padawanbater2

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This is not a tough concept; higher paychecks means more customers for goods and services means happy business means happy economy... which is tall, actual economic growth that benefits everyone instead of just a tiny few.
Conservatives don't believe that because that's not the narrative they hear. You can see it in the way they try to argue economics here on this forum, you hear buzz words like 'lazy, stupid, entitlement, handout, whining, etc.', never anything substantive or thoughtout.. Just like with most other things, they can't argue the actual facts, so they argue with emotion..

The republican party has transformed into the party of stupid, where it's a virtue to dismiss science outright when it contradicts your beliefs and bring snowballs into the Senate chamber to disprove climate change.. where "evolution is a lie straight from the pit of hell!"... where Planned Parenthood is murdering babies and selling their body parts so admins can buy Lamborghini's.. where ISIS is teaming up with the Mexican drug cartels and coming across the border to attack Americans.. where the news actually makes you measurably dumber..

That party is dissolving, unless they get their shit together they're fucked. Their base is largely getting older and dying off and most of the potentials that could be are more and more alienated by the GOP every year..
 

bu$hleaguer

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Blah blah blah. I'll believe it when I see it though. It's always easy to say "just pay more money!" When it's not your money. Step into a business owners shoes and see if you just want to start paying more money for the same shit. I don't know about ya'll but if a car costs me $15k I don't want to pay $17k for it just so there's more money "out there."
 

ttystikk

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Conservatives don't believe that because that's not the narrative they hear. You can see it in the way they try to argue economics here on this forum, you hear buzz words like 'lazy, stupid, entitlement, handout, whining, etc.', never anything substantive or thoughtout.. Just like with most other things, they can't argue the actual facts, so they argue with emotion..

The republican party has transformed into the party of stupid, where it's a virtue to dismiss science outright when it contradicts your beliefs and bring snowballs into the Senate chamber to disprove climate change.. where "evolution is a lie straight from the pit of hell!"... where Planned Parenthood is murdering babies and selling their body parts so admins can buy Lamborghini's.. where ISIS is teaming up with the Mexican drug cartels and coming across the border to attack Americans.. where the news actually makes you measurably dumber..

That party is dissolving, unless they get their shit together they're fucked. Their base is largely getting older and dying off and most of the potentials that could be are more and more alienated by the GOP every year..
The whole flying can of turds is kept aloft only by sheer force of CASH, billions of dollars' worth. I wonder when people will start to wonder just exactly what is expected for all that investment? We sure can't depend on SCOTUS to make an actual moral judgement!
 

Padawanbater2

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Blah blah blah. I'll believe it when I see it though. It's always easy to say "just pay more money!" When it's not your money. Step into a business owners shoes and see if you just want to start paying more money for the same shit. I don't know about ya'll but if a car costs me $15k I don't want to pay $17k for it just so there's more money "out there."
It is our money:




The 0.1% stole it from us:

 

bu$hleaguer

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It is our money:




The 0.1% stole it from us:

Sorry I'm just not into reading all your graphs, dude. I know that I can search and find pretty much any info I want to prove any point I'm trying to make. It's just my opinion, and your entitled to yours of course too! I just don't want to pay more of my hard earned cash because someone tells me it's good for everyone else.
 

Padawanbater2

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Sorry I'm just not into reading all your graphs, dude. I know that I can search and find pretty much any info I want to prove any point I'm trying to make. It's just my opinion, and your entitled to yours of course too! I just don't want to pay more of my hard earned cash because someone tells me it's good for everyone else.
How is it my opinion? Wages roughly matched productivity from 1950-1970, then all of a sudden wages dramatically stagnate, all of that is a fact, you can see it with your own eyes. CEO wages increase from 25 x's average worker to over 325 x's, so it's pretty clear where the money that would have gone to increasing workers wages actually went, right to the top. That's also not debatable.

If we increase the minimum wage to a living wage ($15.00/hour), the price of goods will slightly increase but it won't match the increase in wages. While doing this we bring millions of people out of poverty and ensure kids receive quality education and medical care.

If you can still hold the same opinion after reading any of that, the idea someone would oppose this measure is simply un American. If you'd rather keep the $.17 increase in cost for a bigmac or $.01 increase for a box of mac and cheese instead of ensuring people don't go hungry or homeless, then you're probably one of the people that this would actually help, because $.17 isn't shit, I could find that in my couch right now
 

bu$hleaguer

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How is it my opinion? Wages roughly matched productivity from 1950-1970, then all of a sudden wages dramatically stagnate, all of that is a fact, you can see it with your own eyes. CEO wages increase from 25 x's average worker to over 325 x's, so it's pretty clear where the money that would have gone to increasing workers wages actually went, right to the top. That's also not debatable.

If we increase the minimum wage to a living wage ($15.00/hour), the price of goods will slightly increase but it won't match the increase in wages. While doing this we bring millions of people out of poverty and ensure kids receive quality education and medical care.

If you can still hold the same opinion after reading any of that, the idea someone would oppose this measure is simply un American. If you'd rather keep the $.17 increase in cost for a bigmac or $.01 increase for a box of mac and cheese instead of ensuring people don't go hungry or homeless, then you're probably one of the people that this would actually help, because $.17 isn't shit, I could find that in my couch right now
But I don't really care about the CEO thing. Ceo's are ceo's because they are smart enough to be ceo's. Someday if I play my cards right, I may be one myself- that would be sweet! I don't complain about it, I just worry about me.
Sure I'd love to have no homeless people and everyone fed but I think logically, not wishfully or hopefully. You seem to have all the answers of how to fix all the worlds problems, and all the graphs to prove it, but I just don't buy it. Nothing in the real world works like that.

You don't own anything so it doesn't matter to you. You don't pay people's wages. You don't count every napkin that goes in the trash and every to-go box that people need. Everything costs money, but your answer is to give it away- it's fucking crazy talk!
 

Padawanbater2

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But I don't really care about the CEO thing. Ceo's are ceo's because they are smart enough to be ceo's. Someday if I play my cards right, I may be one myself- that would be sweet! I don't complain about it, I just worry about me.
Sure I'd love to have no homeless people and everyone fed but I think logically, not wishfully or hopefully. You seem to have all the answers of how to fix all the worlds problems, and all the graphs to prove it, but I just don't buy it. Nothing in the real world works like that.

You don't own anything so it doesn't matter to you. You don't pay people's wages. You don't count every napkin that goes in the trash and every to-go box that people need. Everything costs money, but your answer is to give it away- it's fucking crazy talk!
You're not hearing me, you're hearing what you want to hear

-Do you understand how a consumer economy works? How do you suppose people will be able to buy anything if they can't afford it? If people can't afford anything other than basics, how will businesses be able to sell anything or hire people? Having a poor population is bad for everyone, including you.

-Do you think it's fair for multinational corporations like Walmart and McDonald's to pay their employees such low wages they require government assistance? Who do you think pays for that? You and me, the taxpayers at the tune of $6.2 billion a year for Walmart alone. Why shouldn't Walmart pay that?

-Why do you think it's fair avg. CEO pay increased from 25 x's the avg. worker in 1969 to over 325 x's the avg. worker in 2015 while avg. worker pay saw a grand total of a 6% increase during that time with consistent rates of productivity?

Can you answer those 3 questions, please?
 

bu$hleaguer

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You're not hearing me, you're hearing what you want to hear

-Do you understand how a consumer economy works? How do you suppose people will be able to buy anything if they can't afford it? If people can't afford anything other than basics, how will businesses be able to sell anything or hire people? Having a poor population is bad for everyone, including you.

-Do you think it's fair for multinational corporations like Walmart and McDonald's to pay their employees such low wages they require government assistance? Who do you think pays for that? You and me, the taxpayers at the tune of $6.2 billion a year for Walmart alone. Why shouldn't Walmart pay that?

-Why do you think it's fair avg. CEO pay increased from 25 x's the avg. worker in 1969 to over 325 x's the avg. worker in 2015 while avg. worker pay saw a grand total of a 6% increase during that time with consistent rates of productivity?

Can you answer those 3 questions, please?
-yes. They will buy what they can afford to buy. Give poor people more money and they will buy more shit they don't need, that's been made overseas. That doesn't help our economy, that doesn't help shit. They're moochers, and with more money they will continue to be moochers, but they'll have a new flat screen tv. :)

-yes I think it's fair because they're the ones who pull the strings. They created their companies, have been successful, and are disgustingly rich due to it. Do I blame them? What, for being successful? Hell, no. They're not doing anything illegal, they're playing by the rules. There will be unfair shit forever, not everything is perfect, and it never will be either. Do you feel bad paying the dude who cleans your house or mows your lawn? Mcd's and walmart provide a service (even if it eventually is diarrhea) and people pay them for it.

-I think that you should just keep your head down and work, not worry about how much your boss makes. If you're deemed to be a badass, they'll break you off a piece. If not, well, go find another job where you're appreciated for your hard work. No one owes anyone shit.
 
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