U.S. Casts Vote Against Pot

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mtnhrdwr

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"Mr. Holder said in a letter Wednesday to nine former Drug Enforcement Administration chiefs that the administration would continue to enforce federal law if California legalizes marijuana. The DEA chiefs had urged him to speak out on the matter.


The ballot measure would block state police officers from seizing marijuana that complies with state law. That would be a "significant impediment" for federal agents, Mr. Holder wrote, because the federal government typically works with local law enforcement when carrying out marijuana and other drug busts."


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704300604575554261952309990.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_sections_news
 
Flo Grow

Flo Grow

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As soon as The Government and Coporate America figure out how to monopolize the profit margin, marijuana will be legal nationwide !
Just like alcohol and the prohibition, history is once again repeating itself, but with MJ replacing alcohol in this war !!
 
ink the world

ink the world

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Does this really matter in a real world case?
Think about it, if you arent violating Federal laws w/ plant count, quantity etc. isnt it really a non issue?

Also make me chuckle over the taxes....so I can assume the state of California will be receiving a nice chunk of tax revenue if this all passes. If I was in Cali. I would be very worried about declaring any income, sure the state will be happy; but what about the IRS?

So much for states rights I guess..............where's all the typical "states rights" pols like Rand Paul during all this? I'd like to hear what they have to say.
 
patlpp

patlpp

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So they (Feds) depend on the states for enforcement of Federal Marijuana laws? Yet they contest Arizona law enforcement enforcing Federal immigration laws?? Double standard !!
 
venacular

venacular

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So we are not allowed to make laws of our own? It appears U.S. citizens are not capable of enacting laws. So much for democracy!
 
Serapis

Serapis

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Here is a question that bears repeating over and over....

Why does the U.S. Department of Health and human Services hold a patent on marijuana, stating that marijuana has proven medicinal qualities that are both beneficial for the treatment and prevention of diseases involving oxidation, such as cancer, Alzheimers, dementia, HIV, migraines, etc. The patent was issued in 1999.

On one hand, you have the Federal Government stating that marijuana has no medicinal qualities and should stay on the schedule one list. On the other hand, you have the government poised to reap huge revenue by claiming patent infringment on a weed that grows naturally.

Ask your congress person which hand they support.
 
beardo

beardo

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venacular said:
So we are not allowed to make laws of our own? It appears U.S. citizens are not capable of enacting laws. So much for democracy!
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The united states is not a democracy contrary to what the public schools may have taught you we are sopposed to be and were founded as a republic
 
venacular

venacular

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beardo said:
The united states is not a democracy contrary to what the public schools may have taught you we are sopposed to be and were founded as a republic
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It is not meant literally. Read below

"By popular usage, however, the word "democracy" come to mean a form of government in which the government derives its power from the people and is accountable to them for the use of that power. In this sense the United States might accurately be called a democracy."

Taken from http://thisnation.com/question/011.html

So both you and poonjoon commented on this thread just for a technicality? You didnt even bother to give your opinion on the matter. *shakes head*
 
medicineman

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I doubt Obama would press the DEA to go after MJ users in Ca. Really doesn't make much sense. It is the heads of the agencies that push for these types of attacks on people, to keep their budgets high. This type of enforcement needs to be scrutinized by the budget office and removed from the calender. Could probably save billions, DEA, CIA, NSA, etc., they all play the get more funding game. The more funding, the more power the agency heads control. Obama smoked in College, I doubt he really cares, it is his political imagers and speech writers that make the appearance of Obama being anti-pot. At this time it is still not a mainstream positive to support MJ legality.
 
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poonjoon

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venacular said:
It is not meant literally. Read below

"By popular usage, however, the word "democracy" come to mean a form of government in which the government derives its power from the people and is accountable to them for the use of that power. In this sense the United States might accurately be called a democracy."

Taken from http://thisnation.com/question/011.html

So both you and poonjoon commented on this thread just for a technicality? You didnt even bother to give your opinion on the matter. *shakes head*
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I am a pretty hard-line Constitutionalist, so yes, America is a republic (or was meant to be a republic). I did not comment on this thread for a technicality. It's not a technicality, it's a serious issue. Our forefathers actually feared democracy - as do I.

I will post what you have left out from the very link you posted.

The United States is, indeed, a republic, not a democracy. Accurately defined, a democracy is a form of government in which the people decide policy matters directly--through town hall meetings or by voting on ballot initiatives and referendums. A republic, on the other hand, is a system in which the people choose representatives who, in turn, make policy decisions on their behalf. The Framers of the Constitution were altogether fearful of pure democracy.

In the strictest sense of the word, the system of government established by the Constitution was never intended to be a "democracy." This is evident not only in the wording of the Pledge of Allegiance but in the Constitution itself which declares that "The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government" (Article IV, Section 4). Moreover, the scheme of representation and the various mechanisms for selecting representatives established by the Constitution were clearly intended to produce a republic, not a democracy.

To the extent that the United States of America has moved away from its republican roots and become more "democratic," it has strayed from the intentions of the Constitution's authors.

Taken from your source: http://www.thisnation.com/question/011.html

The United States is a republic and we follow the law of the land, not mob rule.
 
doc111

doc111

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Spanishfly said:
Don´t you mean PLATO ????

Pluto was Mickey Mouse´s dog.

American education, yeah, right.
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It's also a Khyber belt object (formerly known as the ninth planet). Don't be dissin' on all Americans just because we have a few rocket scientists among us. You sure are arrogant aren't ya? You mean to tell me there are no idots in the U.K. or Europe? Yeah, right!:roll:
 
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